Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

i been trying to create a list that could possiobly outshoot other armies.

My list contains no flyers on purpose as I was just thinking of a shooting match with ground troops of course i coud add flyers or anti air if i needed to but the idea of this list is just a shooting match between ground forces.

1000 points

HQ
coteaz= 100 pts

inquisitor with hell rifle (str 6 ap3 36' range sniper) = 40 pts

troops
12 henchmen
12 warrior acoloytes with 9 storm bolters and 3 plasm guns =105 pts

12 henchemen
12 warrior acoloytes with 9 storm bolters and 3 plasm guns =105 pts

12 henchemen
3 jokaero's, 3 warrior acoloytes with plasma guns, 3 servitors with plasma cannons, 3 imperial psykers = 237 pts


12 henchemen
3 jokaero's, 3 warrior acoloytes with plasma guns, 3 servitors with plasma cannons, 3 imperial psykers = 237 pts

henchemen
7 warrior acolytes with 3 flamers and 4 storm bolters
chimera tank with heavy bolter and multi laser

aegis defence line = 50 points

999 points

the idea is that this army could outshoot tau etc. the two units of warrior acoloytes with storm bolters and plasma guns all have assault weapons so can move around the board firing 36 storm bolter shots and 6 plasma gun shots. the warrior acolyte unit with the 3 flamers will be in the chimera and will move across the battle and get out and try to flamer the enemy to death. the tank can offer some covering fire.

the two units with the jokaeros are the heavy hitting units. Jokaeros can choose to fire either a lascannon, multi melta or heavy flamer every turn so they can fire a str 9 48 inch rnge lascannon.I have 6 jokaeros so that is a lot of firepower. then i have 2 squads of servitors with 3 plasma cannons and 3 multi meltas for some more high str shooting power. Then each squad has 3 plasma gun warrior acoloye to offer some anti infantry/ anti light tank shooting. Finally each squad has 3 psykers which fire a large blast str 5 ap4 range 36'. I then have an aegis defence line to give my troops a cover save

So in my army will be
inquisitor with hell rifle (str 6 ap3 36' sniper range)
coteaz shooting (str 4 d6 attacks 24'range)
6 jokaeros = 6 lascannons/multi meltas
12 plasma guns
3 flamers
3 plasma cannons
3 multi meltas
6 imperial psykers (str 5 ap 4 large blast 36 ')
28 storm bolters
1 chimera with heavy bolter and multi laser

all of the above is 1000 points. could this list outshoot tau for eg? thanks

I have been playing quite a bit with Inquisitors and acolytes (as allies to imperial guard). First of all you need a chimera for every unit, the survivability boost is considerable and you get a couple of good main weapons.

I wouldn't bother with jokaero unless they are with an inquisitor for twin linking as thier BS3 makes for a pretty expensive lascannon platform.

My allied detatchment is:

Coteaz =100
5 jokaero + 5 bolter acolytes + chimera = 255pts

3 plasmagun + 5 bolter acolytes + chimera = 122 points

If I were to expand this into a full list I would double it up:
3 plasmagun + 5 bolter acolytes + chimera = 122 points

Inquisitor (master level 1 + power armour) 63 pts
5 jokaero + 5 bolter acolytes + chimera = 255 pts

Skyshield Landingpad = 75

That gives you 10 twinlinked lascannons with 12 front armour and a 4++ (with the possibility that coteaz rolls ignores cover!). You have 2 cheap forward units that can move up late game and score some objectives. If your chimeras get exploded then feel free to assign all the explosions results to coteaz / power armour inquisitor if it makes sense, these guys have T3 so 3 wounds is much the same as 1 wound when you get instant deathed by a 50% of the weapons in the game, so go ahead and loose a couple of wounds to explosions if it means you have more bolters to shoot at a target that is closing in.

The best thing is that you can't really be assaulted too easily either since you will fill the opponent full of wall of flame.

It is a good list for most, but would be picked apart be others which intend to have quick assaults or MSU. Example being competitive Dark Eldar (Both Venom Spam and Beaststar would be terrifying for this list to face) as well as Tyranid Mawlock rush and such. I also don't see any reason to not find the points to make the Inquisitor a level 1 psyker, giving those Las cannons and plasma Cannons twin-linked for 20pts? Yes please!

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
It is a good list for most, but would be picked apart be others which intend to have quick assaults or MSU. Example being competitive Dark Eldar (Both Venom Spam and Beaststar would be terrifying for this list to face) as well as Tyranid Mawlock rush and such. I also don't see any reason to not find the points to make the Inquisitor a level 1 psyker, giving those Las cannons and plasma Cannons twin-linked for 20pts? Yes please!

coteaz is a level 2 pskker and he is in the unit with the 3 plasma cannons servitors so he will give them all twin linked.

The other inquisitor is not a pskyer as it is 30 points but I could find the points by dropping some storm bolters to do it.

I know this army is not ideal for assaults, it is an army created to outshoot tau or IG. If I was facing assault armies I would use Death cult assassins who have 4 attacks on the charge, ws 5 In 6 and a choice between power sword for str 4 ap3 or power maul st 6 ap 4 and a 5+ invun all for just 15 points.

I'm sorry, but this list is child's play to what Tau, Eldar and IG cn put out, it has pitiful damage outside of 24" and has no protection against the squad deletion abilities of the aforementioned armies.

A single manticore hidden out of site could cripple it.
The units a a lil "soft" and need LOS. I've tried similar. It does work against some armies but its a one trick pony.

I think jokaero are too expensive.
But Inquisitorial armies can definitely give outshooting tau and eldar a go.
Here are a few examples:

Inquisitor
Servitors with plasma cannon x3
9 henchmen with bolters
130pts

12 henchmen with bolters
60pts

3 psykers
30pts for a st5 ap4 large blast

Inquisitor with prescience
8 psykers
3 servitors with plasma cannons
Chimera with 2 heavy bolters and psybolt ammo
260pts for 6 st 6 ap4, 3 st 7 ap 2 tl blasts, 1 st 10 ap1 tl large blast.

Razorback with assault cannon and psybolt ammo
70pts

3 acolytes with plasma guns
Chimera with 2 heavy bolters and psybolt ammo
107 pts

Landraider crusader with multimelta and psybolt ammo
265pts

All these shooty options are very cheap for what they do...

Provided you were guaranteed to face no fliers, I think it would be possible to outshoot tau / IG. I second that the chimeras really would help though. Here's what I'd do:

Coteaz 100

3 Plasma Cannon Servitors, Jokaero, one Acolyte with Plasma gun and 5 acolytes with bolters in chimera with ML + HB 174
3 Acolytes with Plasma Guns, 3 with bolters and psyker in Chimera with ML and HB 122
3 Acolytes with Plasma Guns, 3 with bolters and psyker in Chimera with ML and HB 122
3 Acolytes with Plasma Guns, 3 with bolters and psyker in Chimera with ML and HB 122
3 Acolytes with Melta Guns, 3 with bolters in Chimera with ML and HB 112
3 Acolytes with Melta Guns, 3 with bolters in Chimera with ML and HB 112

Dreadnought with Autocannons and Psybolt 135

That's 1000 points including:

10 Plasma Guns
6 melta guns
3 Plas cannon servitors (twin linked)
Jokaero (twin linked)
6 Multi Lasers
6 Heavy bolters
20 Bolter armed acolytes
3 S3 AP6 large blasts from psykers
2 twin linked S8 autocannons

In 7 AV12 hulls, and 44 bodies. The psykers give cheap bonus anti horde should the unit have no armoured targets to hit and I went for bolters above storm bolters to save on points and get more bodies to protect special weapons.

 Krellnus wrote:
I'm sorry, but this list is child's play to what Tau, Eldar and IG cn put out, it has pitiful damage outside of 24" and has no protection against the squad deletion abilities of the aforementioned armies.

go on then name a 1000 point tau/eldar/IG army that can beat the list easily?

champagne_socialist wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:
I'm sorry, but this list is child's play to what Tau, Eldar and IG cn put out, it has pitiful damage outside of 24" and has no protection against the squad deletion abilities of the aforementioned armies.

go on then name a 1000 point tau/eldar/IG army that can beat the list easily?

Farsight Enclaves

Commander w/ 2 Missile Pods, Target Lock, Drone Controller and 2 Marker Drones - 152

3 XV8s w/ 2 Missile Pods each and bonding ritual - 159

3 XV8s w/ 2 Missile Pods each and bonding ritual - 159

4 Marker Drones - 56

Riptide w/ Ion Accelerator, Smart Missile System and Stimulant Injector - 220

3 XV88s w/ High Yield Missile Pods, bonding ritual and 4 Missile Drones - 244
990

The above not only outranges 90% of the stuff in your list, it will be decimating up to 4 squads a turn.

 Krellnus wrote:

champagne_socialist wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:
I'm sorry, but this list is child's play to what Tau, Eldar and IG cn put out, it has pitiful damage outside of 24" and has no protection against the squad deletion abilities of the aforementioned armies.

go on then name a 1000 point tau/eldar/IG army that can beat the list easily?

Farsight Enclaves

Commander w/ 2 Missile Pods, Target Lock, Drone Controller and 2 Marker Drones - 152

3 XV8s w/ 2 Missile Pods each and bonding ritual - 159

3 XV8s w/ 2 Missile Pods each and bonding ritual - 159

4 Marker Drones - 56

Riptide w/ Ion Accelerator, Smart Missile System and Stimulant Injector - 220

3 XV88s w/ High Yield Missile Pods, bonding ritual and 4 Missile Drones - 244
990

The above not only outranges 90% of the stuff in your list, it will be decimating up to 4 squads a turn.

I'm not convinced it is that much better if I am being honest. Also why do you keep saying my army is short ranged? I have 3 plasma cannons 36' range, 6 lascannons 48' range, heavy bolter 36' range, multi laser 36 ' rnge 3 large blasts from the psykers at 36' range

Also all of the storm bolters, plasma guns, heavy bolter, multi laser (on chimera) and psychic attacks are all assault so their range is increased by 6 inches so even though my plasma guns are 24' inch if I need an extra 6' I can just move my troops forward and fire at full BS.


I'm not buying the list you wrote is that much better than mine. ( which you wrote knowing all of my units so you could pick the best units to combat my units)

Because your list is short ranged, in deployment, I can sit 37" back so that even if you go first, you can only touch me with your longest ranged weapons, and if there is los blocking terrain on the table, have fun getting JSJ to death.

I don't need to pick the best units to combat your stuff, since the above is a fairly tac competitive FE list that would be scaled up to any points limit quite easily, the only thing the list would have any real trouble with is a flying circus, but that's about it.

 Krellnus wrote:
Because your list is short ranged, in deployment, I can sit 37" back so that even if you go first, you can only touch me with your longest ranged weapons, and if there is los blocking terrain on the table, have fun getting JSJ to death.

I don't need to pick the best units to combat your stuff, since the above is a fairly tac competitive FE list that would be scaled up to any points limit quite easily, the only thing the list would have any real trouble with is a flying circus, but that's about it.

I have 11 weapons range with a range of over 42'......
I have 7 weapons with a range of 36'
30+ weapons with a 30' range
3 flamer template weapons


But like I said you just picked a list to combat the list I wrote. If I wanted to now knowing what you would pick I could write a list to counter it.

But even after writing a list knowing what is in my army and knowing what units should work best I still don't think your list is anything special and don't think it would beat mine.

champagne_socialist wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:
Because your list is short ranged, in deployment, I can sit 37" back so that even if you go first, you can only touch me with your longest ranged weapons, and if there is los blocking terrain on the table, have fun getting JSJ to death.

I don't need to pick the best units to combat your stuff, since the above is a fairly tac competitive FE list that would be scaled up to any points limit quite easily, the only thing the list would have any real trouble with is a flying circus, but that's about it.

I have 11 weapons range with a range of over 42'......
I have 7 weapons with a range of 36'
30+ weapons with a 30' range What weapons with a 30" range? I see a whole lot of 24" range weapons, some of them can get extra range from the space monkey sure, if you're lucky, but most of them are stuck at 24"
3 flamer template weapons


But like I said you just picked a list to combat the list I wrote.You are the one who moved the goalposts, I responded with one of many tac Tau lists off the top of my head so you claim I'm tailoring to your list, newsflash, your list ain't so hot that I need a specific list to counter it
If I wanted to now knowing what you would pick I could write a list to counter it.

But even after writing a list knowing what is in my army and knowing what units should work best I still don't think your list is anything special and don't think it would beat mine.

Here's another list, Eldar this time, found here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/551187.page#6037332

HQ
Spiritseer

Troops
5 Wraithguard- Wraithcannon
Wave Serpent-Holofields, Scatter laser, shruiken cannon
5 Dire Avengers
Wave Serpent- Scatter Laser, shruiken cannon
5 Dire Avengers
Wave Serpent- Holofields, Scatter laser, shruiken cannon
3 Man Windrider Squad

Heavy Support
Fire Prism- Holofields, shruiken cannon

Hang on... just realised - they don't count as troops they count as scoring elites. So under 2k, you may only have 3 units of them.

Poly Ranger wrote:
Hang on... just realised - they don't count as troops they count as scoring elites. So under 2k, you may only have 3 units of them.

It depends.

If you take a Codex: GK army, Coteaz moves them to troops, if you take them in an inqusitorial detachment from Codex: Inquisition, then they are elites and Coteaz makes them scoring elites.

champagne_socialist wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:
I'm sorry, but this list is child's play to what Tau, Eldar and IG cn put out, it has pitiful damage outside of 24" and has no protection against the squad deletion abilities of the aforementioned armies.

go on then name a 1000 point tau/eldar/IG army that can beat the list easily?

@HQ [ 1 ]

Commander (135pt.) Crisis battlesuit; Multi-tracker; Blacksun filter; Command and control node; Puretide Engram Neurochip; Multi-spectrum Sensor Suit;

@Elites [ 3 ]

XV104 Riptide (225pt.) Riptide battlesuit; Multi-tracker; Blacksun filter; Riptide shield generator; Ion accelerator; Twin-linked smart missile system; Early warning override; Stimulant injector;

XV104 Riptide (225pt.) Riptide battlesuit; Multi-tracker; Blacksun filter; Riptide shield generator; Ion accelerator; Twin-linked smart missile system; Early warning override; Stimulant injector;

XV104 Riptide (225pt.) Riptide battlesuit; Multi-tracker; Blacksun filter; Riptide shield generator; Ion accelerator; Twin-linked smart missile system; Early warning override; Stimulant injector;

@Troops [ 3 ]

Kroot Carnivore Squad (65pt.)
> 10x - Kroot (6pt.); Kroot armour; Kroot rifle;
> 1x - Kroot Hound (5pt.);

Kroot Carnivore Squad (65pt.)
> 10x - Kroot (6pt.); Kroot armour; Kroot rifle;
> 1x - Kroot Hound (5pt.);

Kroot Carnivore Squad (60pt.)
> 10x - Kroot (6pt.); Kroot armour; Kroot rifle;

 Krellnus wrote:

champagne_socialist wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:
Because your list is short ranged, in deployment, I can sit 37" back so that even if you go first, you can only touch me with your longest ranged weapons, and if there is los blocking terrain on the table, have fun getting JSJ to death.

I don't need to pick the best units to combat your stuff, since the above is a fairly tac competitive FE list that would be scaled up to any points limit quite easily, the only thing the list would have any real trouble with is a flying circus, but that's about it.

I have 11 weapons range with a range of over 42'......
I have 7 weapons with a range of 36'
30+ weapons with a 30' range What weapons with a 30" range? I see a whole lot of 24" range weapons, some of them can get extra range from the space monkey sure, if you're lucky, but most of them are stuck at 24"
3 flamer template weapons


But like I said you just picked a list to combat the list I wrote.You are the one who moved the goalposts, I responded with one of many tac Tau lists off the top of my head so you claim I'm tailoring to your list, newsflash, your list ain't so hot that I need a specific list to counter it
If I wanted to now knowing what you would pick I could write a list to counter it.

But even after writing a list knowing what is in my army and knowing what units should work best I still don't think your list is anything special and don't think it would beat mine.

Here's another list, Eldar this time, found here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/551187.page#6037332

HQ
Spiritseer

Troops
5 Wraithguard- Wraithcannon
Wave Serpent-Holofields, Scatter laser, shruiken cannon
5 Dire Avengers
Wave Serpent- Scatter Laser, shruiken cannon
5 Dire Avengers
Wave Serpent- Holofields, Scatter laser, shruiken cannon
3 Man Windrider Squad

Heavy Support
Fire Prism- Holofields, shruiken cannon

the list you wrote was nothing special, get over it.

My question is why are we writing 1k lists? The big issue you are going to have is sure this list is decent at 1k, but you don't gain a whole lot going up and every other list does.

Breng77 wrote:
My question is why are we writing 1k lists? The big issue you are going to have is sure this list is decent at 1k, but you don't gain a whole lot going up and every other list does.

it was just a fun list so I kept it small, If I went up in points I could use anything from the GK codex eg storm ravens, dreadnoughts, assassins etc.

This list would get decimated in short order by competitive themed tau / Eldar

Henchmen are terrible durability wise, and lol if you think leaf blower helps against these armies that would be a big negative

This past weekend I nearly tabled my friend turn 1-2 he was playing leafblower guard ( same concept as what you have here) and myself Eldar with 2 wk and 4 serpents, it was laughable, chimeras can't hide from the serpent shield and if you don't shoot the wk they grab you in 2 turns

And forget about it with tau ignore cover pie plates will sending you packing even quicker or tons of SMS

champagne_socialist wrote:

Breng77 wrote:
My question is why are we writing 1k lists? The big issue you are going to have is sure this list is decent at 1k, but you don't gain a whole lot going up and every other list does.

it was just a fun list so I kept it small, If I went up in points I could use anything from the GK codex eg storm ravens, dreadnoughts, assassins etc.

But that was my point adding those GK things don't bring as much shooty to the table as what Competitive Tau and Eldar throw down. SO at 1k points it can kind of compete...when you add on giong up it will lose out because everything the other player is adding is better than what you are throwing in.

Breng77 wrote:

champagne_socialist wrote:

Breng77 wrote:
My question is why are we writing 1k lists? The big issue you are going to have is sure this list is decent at 1k, but you don't gain a whole lot going up and every other list does.

it was just a fun list so I kept it small, If I went up in points I could use anything from the GK codex eg storm ravens, dreadnoughts, assassins etc.

But that was my point adding those GK things don't bring as much shooty to the table as what Competitive Tau and Eldar throw down. SO at 1k points it can kind of compete...when you add on giong up it will lose out because everything the other player is adding is better than what you are throwing in.

Well the thread was about 1000 points, so I only creatted a list for 1000 points. Henchemen are not designed for beiong solely as a shooting army which is why I kept it small. If I was going to go up to 2k then I would add stormravens filled with deatch cult assassins, crusadors and dreadnoughts which would rip through any unit in the game.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Arthas367 wrote:
This list would get decimated in short order by competitive themed tau / Eldar

Henchmen are terrible durability wise, and lol if you think leaf blower helps against these armies that would be a big negative

This past weekend I nearly tabled my friend turn 1-2 he was playing leafblower guard ( same concept as what you have here) and myself Eldar with 2 wk and 4 serpents, it was laughable, chimeras can't hide from the serpent shield and if you don't shoot the wk they grab you in 2 turns

And forget about it with tau ignore cover pie plates will sending you packing even quicker or tons of SMS

Really because I used a shooty henchmen army in a tournament and I beat 2 tau armies and 1 IG army and 2 eldar armies and i beat DE in the final.

My point is that you won't do that though, you'll get blown off the table posting up an idea while neat, at a point value that generally in not played competitively means very little. It is a decent 1k list. But it does not scale.

Your list can be crushed with 300pts.

3x TFC.

Most competitive C:SM armies run 2x TFC all day. Tau SMS wreck the list (not to mention HYMP and markerlit Riptides), Eldar serpent spam massively outranges and outguns it, Daemons walk over it even when fielding non-competitive hordes and especially with Circus/Screamer/Hounds, IG can field far more firepower (and a pair of Eradicators will put a swift end to the list as well).

Your list is not competitive. It cannot outshoot the shooting army kings. If it works for you, great, but it won't stand up to a competent commander fielding most armies and in certain game modes (i.e. - the Relic, Purge the Alien) it simply crumbles. Don't ask such questions if you're just going to ignore the answers.

Breng77 wrote:
My point is that you won't do that though, you'll get blown off the table posting up an idea while neat, at a point value that generally in not played competitively means very little. It is a decent 1k list. But it does not scale.

I disagree I believe the list is very strong.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 obsidiankatana wrote:
Your list can be crushed with 300pts.

3x TFC.

Most competitive C:SM armies run 2x TFC all day. Tau SMS wreck the list (not to mention HYMP and markerlit Riptides), Eldar serpent spam massively outranges and outguns it, Daemons walk over it even when fielding non-competitive hordes and especially with Circus/Screamer/Hounds, IG can field far more firepower (and a pair of Eradicators will put a swift end to the list as well).

Your list is not competitive. It cannot outshoot the shooting army kings. If it works for you, great, but it won't stand up to a competent commander fielding most armies and in certain game modes (i.e. - the Relic, Purge the Alien) it simply crumbles. Don't ask such questions if you're just going to ignore the answers.

I am ignoring your answer because you are talking nonsense. The list is competitive, I know because I have used it. But keep dreaming that 300 pts can beat it hahah

champagne_socialist wrote:

I am ignoring your answer because you are talking nonsense. The list is competitive, I know because I have used it. But keep dreaming that 300 pts can beat it hahah

Answering me isn't ignoring me.

If you're already settled on your answer, don't ask the question.

TFCs outrange you, ignore your armor, and ignore your cover. Placed in ruins, the techmarine manning them supplies a 3+ cover save and they're naturally T7. Three of this destroy everything you own, from outside of even the lascannons' range. Disregard this if you will, but don't be surprised when even one of these becomes a headache to deal with.

Whirlwinds also do this.

And both can shoot from outside LOS so you can't even shootback.

And can be supplied with prescience for pennies on the dollar for more accurate murder.

 obsidiankatana wrote:

champagne_socialist wrote:

I am ignoring your answer because you are talking nonsense. The list is competitive, I know because I have used it. But keep dreaming that 300 pts can beat it hahah

Answering me isn't ignoring me.

If you're already settled on your answer, don't ask the question.

TFCs outrange you, ignore your armor, and ignore your cover. Placed in ruins, the techmarine manning them supplies a 3+ cover save and they're naturally T7. Three of this destroy everything you own, from outside of even the lascannons' range. Disregard this if you will, but don't be surprised when even one of these becomes a headache to deal with.

Whirlwinds also do this.

And both can shoot from outside LOS so you can't even shootback.

And can be supplied with prescience for pennies on the dollar for more accurate murder.

stop commenting on my thread, your answers are all pointless and sounds like a my dad is stronger than your dad answer.

the list you supplied was a poor list, get over it and go away.

i found that GK allied with guard to very well. Use the GK to move forward with shunting and have the guard provide the long range firepower. The enemy has to address the Huge short to medium range shooting/assault shunting down their throats and while trying to address that, they have barrage pie plates dropping on their units. Add in a vendetta to take care of any pesky fliers.
if going pure GK, and you want long range shooty, might be an idea to pop a few monkeys and acolytes into a chimera with coatez and a couple razorbacks.

champagne_socialist wrote:

stop commenting on my thread, your answers are all pointless and sounds like a my dad is stronger than your dad answer.

the list you supplied was a poor list, get over it and go away.

I considered leaving at this, and letting you remain self-convinced. In the interest of one last attempt at pointing out the flaws in your list - here's a list I would field at 1000 points, assuming no knowledge of the enemy.

HQ
Kor'sarro Khan
-Bike

Troops
5x Bikes
-2x Grav
5x Bikes
-2x Grav
5x Bikes
-2x Melta
5x Bikes
-2x Melta

Heavy
TFC
TFC

Fast
Stormtalon
-Skyhammer

So, even assuming I would not field everything outside of 48'' and shell you with TFCs and the Stormtalon (I would, and you could do nothing about it), I could charge you with the bikes. Bikes with 4+ jinks and S5 Hammer of Wrath hits, which you would get precisely one turn of shooting against with all the 36'' weaponry assuming you get first turn. Move 12''. turbo 12''. Cover saves negate that lovely AP value of plasma. Next turn, 12'' move and charge. Game ends.