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The Taliban Goes Broke
Afghanistan’s insurgents have endured hard times before, but nothing quite like this. A look at the group's crippling financial crisis

Mullah Yaseen is penniless. Wrapped in a heavy black coat, the 45-year-old Afghan insurgent huddles inside a heatless tea shop near the Pakistani-Afghan border and pours out his troubles. Over the past eight months, he and his 15 Taliban fighters have received no support from the group’s central command, Yaseen says. Not a bullet or a cent.

The winter snows were just melting last year when Yaseen traveled from his home village in eastern Afghanistan to the city of Quetta, in southwestern Pakistan. That’s where most of the Afghan insurgency’s top leadership is based, and Yaseen needed to requisition supplies and ammunition for the fighting season ahead.

He had no luck. Instead, he was told that there were temporary cash-flow problems and he should ask his fellow villagers for a loan. He would be given the money to reimburse them within a month, he was promised. Back home, Yaseen scraped up roughly $2,000 to keep his men fighting. He has yet to be repaid, and his neighbors want the money.


An Afghan money changer displays a 100 US dollar bill at the currency exchange market in Kabul on December 30, 2013. The Afghanistan afghani (AFN) currently stands at 56.40 against the US dollar, and 0.534 against the Pakistani rupee .
(AFP/Getty Images)


Afghanistan’s insurgents have endured hard times before, but nothing quite like this. At first glance the war might seem to be turning in their favor. America’s combat forces are leaving by the end of the year, and every few days another insurgent bombing unnerves the inhabitants of Kabul, the country’s capital. Nevertheless, Mullah Yaseen and hundreds of Taliban foot soldiers like him—the heart and soul of the armed struggle against the U.S.-backed Kabul government—are running out of food, money and ammunition.

Their plight is unlikely to improve anytime soon. People familiar with the Taliban’s finances say the organization’s main sources of revenue have dried up. Wealthy Arab donors, Afghan businessmen and even Pakistan’s powerful and secretive spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence directorate, have all reduced or stopped funding, each for their own reasons.

The Arabs’ departure is a crippling blow. Support from private Saudi donors has been crucial to Afghanistan’s insurgents ever since the war against the Soviets in the 1980s—many years before the rise of Mullah Mohammed Omar and his armed followers. But interest in Afghanistan has faded among hard-liners in the Gulf region. Osama bin Laden is dead; most of Al Qaeda’s surviving operatives have fled the constant threat of U.S. drone attacks, and the Taliban never really shared bin Laden’s desire to take his holy war worldwide. Now global jihad and its Arab backers have moved on to more promising arenas, like Iraq and Syria.

As the financial crisis continues, Afghan civilians say they aren’t merely disappointed with the Taliban—they’re fed up. The group’s fundraisers in Pakistan used to make regular collection rounds in places where conservative Afghan businessmen congregate. Those appearances have slowed or stopped. “Six months ago they visited our mosque to collect their usual donations,” says one mullah in Pakistan. “Everyone just walked away from them. They haven’t come back.”

Many former contributors no longer trust the insurgents. “We don’t regard the Taliban as soldiers of God anymore,” says a conservative Afghan businessman in Peshawar. “Their fundraisers used to come on foot to collect donations. Now they show up in luxury cars. It’s clear they’re stealing the money.” A 40-year-old former Taliban commander echoes the complaint: “Instead of going to jihad, the donations are cruising down the streets of Peshawar, Quetta and Karachi.”

But the thing that alienates many former supporters more than the blatant corruption is the Taliban’s wanton disregard for the lives and safety of ordinary Afghans. It’s evident in the Taliban’s indiscriminate suicide attacks, as bystanders are often the main victims. “The Taliban aren’t fighting Americans or NATO forces anymore,” the businessman says. “Instead they kill poor Afghans. Islam forbids us to give money that would encourage the murder of civilians.”


The group isn’t totally destitute. According to an official with the Afghan National Security Council, the ISI continues to channel support to those insurgent leaders who reliably do Pakistan’s bidding. But everyone else is on his own, and there are few viable alternatives. Local Taliban units used to drive a lucrative trade in ransom kidnapping, but they finally ran out of potential victims. Although the group still imposes “taxes” on the country’s multibillion-dollar heroin industry, much of that money seems to end up filling private bank accounts, rather than helping fighters in the field.


Afghan farmers work at a poppy field in Jalalabad province May 5, 2012. (Reuters)

The group’s military planners economize by focusing on splashy attacks in major cities. These strikes may not achieve any genuine military objectives, but the true aim appears to be breaking the public’s will to resist. Meanwhile, fighters like Mullah Yassen are left to fend for themselves in the countryside—“in B category,” as one former Taliban cabinet minister describes their status.

In the tea shop, Yaseen lingers in the cold air. Anything is better than going outside, where the weather is downright bitter. “We waited, but we never heard from the men in Quetta,” he says. “We were ashamed to face our creditors. It was ridiculous. While we went out hunting for Americans to fight, we were hiding from our neighbors.”


Taliban fighters in Wardak Province, west of Kabul (AFP/Getty Images)

The Taliban’s finance department has a special office dedicated to resolving complaints, but it was no help. “They told me, ‘Sorry, we don’t have that much money right now.’”

He says he has left the front lines. As much as he wants to rejoin the jihad, he doesn’t dare go back until he repays the $2,000 he owes his neighbors. He’s not afraid to die, he says. What scares him is the idea that he might die with an outstanding loan. “Anytime I’m out there, I could be martyred,” he says. “And God does not forgive anyone—even a martyr—who dies without paying his just debts.”

AUTHORS: Sami Yousafzai and Sam Seibert
CONTACT: syousafzai@vocativ.com
POSTED: FEB 03, 2014 00:42 EST
UPDATED: FEB 03, 2014 09:07 EST



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Great, so a regional threat that posed no real danger to us to begin with but later evolved into a potential international threat has no devolved back into a regional threat that poses no real danger to us again...

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If they really want themselves to get back in the green in terms of finances they should go into the lucrative Maple Syrup trade, it's kept my local Canadian gang, the Conniving Canucks, going pretty strong given Rob Ford's recent political fumbles.
   
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You gotta be careful with that though. I bought two kilos (cause he was from Canada, of course) off of a some guy named Doug once. Turned out to be 70% sorghum molasses.

Guy was wearing flannel. He seemed legit enough.

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The report seems to indicate that the rich top dogs in the Taliban are getting richer and everyone who joined up to fight for their cause is taking the hit.

They could just have succumbed to Westernisation and already been done with it.

It seems that the West and the Taliban aren't so different in some ways, after all.

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You gotta be careful with that though. I bought two kilos (cause he was from Canada, of course) off of a some guy named Doug once. Turned out to be 70% sorghum molasses.

Guy was wearing flannel. He seemed legit enough.


*spits in disgust* Molasses! This Doug guy sounds mighty suspicious, some people try to impersonate Canadians to present some form of authenticity when selling counterfeit syrup. A flannel is a start but you have to check the tag to see if it's made in Canada. Another good way to tell is by bringing a polar bear along. Given that we live alongside them in the north any true Canadian-born citizen will have his safety bacon strapped to his "sausage" to ward off the polar bear's advances. If he panics or is noticeably disturbed you've got an imposter, after realizing that I reckon you'd handle him real quick wouldn't you? Keep the molasses though, it's good for slicking back nipple-hair.
   
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Could always try a bake sale. People love bake sales.


Or a telethon!

   
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Impoverishing the Taliban is not a solution.

Lets put it simply, fighters on the Pakistan border cant see drones and can get blown up at any time, no matter what side of the border they are on. This doesnt deter them.
Being poor wont deter them too much either.

Going after Taliban finances is definitely helpful, this article might mean that corrupted Taliban are deliberately ignored. It would make a lot of sense to me if a fat lazy Taliban leader skimming off the cash and making sure his jihadis didnt get any food bullets or pay would be left well alone by western intelligence agencies.
If your going to stick a knife in an enemy don't use it to cut out his cancer.

However Taliban have been poor before, they will be poor again, there will still be more, and those who have nothing left to lose get more dangerous not less, if less able to carry out attacks. More worrying is the probability that this will act as a winnowing in which hungry but committed Taliban sit it out and get recruited away by a radical cleric who knows a good thing* when he sees one, doesn't piss away his own pile of cash food and arms and only wants committed Jihadis in his cadre.
Anyone can say they are willing to die for Allah when they are angry and their belly is full and other are chanting too.
Those who sit out on the frontlines patiently waiting food and ammo are the committed ones, if found by a committed leader they will become twice as dangerous as hey ever were. Also by being patient and waiting they learn the skills that seperates the most dangerous fighters from the hothead rank and file, discipline, patience, commitment beyond a rage fueled orgy of violence.





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Great, so a regional threat that posed no real danger to us to begin with but later evolved into a potential international threat has no devolved back into a regional threat that poses no real danger to us again...


And it only costed 6 trillion US dollar to achive.

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chaos0xomega wrote:
Great, so a regional threat that posed no real danger to us to begin with but later evolved into a potential international threat has no devolved back into a regional threat that poses no real danger to us again...


And it only costed 6 trillion US dollar to achive.


That is not an accurate number.

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 CptJake wrote:
Bishop F Gantry wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
Great, so a regional threat that posed no real danger to us to begin with but later evolved into a potential international threat has no devolved back into a regional threat that poses no real danger to us again...


And it only costed 6 trillion US dollar to achive.


That is not an accurate number.


http://nationalpriorities.org/cost-of/

1.5 Trillion for two wars sounds more reasonable.

   
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say "Syria" is one big reason for the funding dry up. Syria is the hot button issue for Islamic hardliner donors right at this moment, and funds are pouring into that war, and the Afghan front is being forgotten for the moment.

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I'm going to go out on a limb and say "Syria" is one big reason for the funding dry up. Syria is the hot button issue for Islamic hardliner donors right at this moment, and funds are pouring into that war, and the Afghan front is being forgotten for the moment.


I dont buy that. Northern Pakistan is a major drugs production area, there is no shortage of cash to go around. It would almost be like Mexico 'drying up' in this regards.

I think the article is showing us more about western intelligence services than Taliban per se. Bomb those leaders who are in it for the jihad, leave alone those leaders in it for the cash. Let them talk jihad while sitting in the jacuzis with their hos and gold plated AK's, al;lowing scum like them to get away with it is IMHO the best any maybe the only realistic chance to properly defeat the Taliban.

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Well this should be a lot of fun when we hand over some power to them after we leave Afghanistan.

The winter snows were just melting last year when Yaseen traveled from his home village in eastern Afghanistan to the city of Quetta, in southwestern Pakistan. That’s where most of the Afghan insurgency’s top leadership is based, and Yaseen needed to requisition supplies and ammunition for the fighting season ahead

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Remind me again why we count Pakistan as our ally, and why we give them billions of dollars in aid


Because the last time we got involved in the middle east and then bailed without paying the check, bad things happened.

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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

Remind me again why we count Pakistan as our ally, and why we give them billions of dollars in aid


Because the last time we got involved in the middle east and then bailed without paying the check, bad things happened.

We've been writing checks for decades, bad things are still happening

 
   
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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
 daedalus wrote:
 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

Remind me again why we count Pakistan as our ally, and why we give them billions of dollars in aid


Because the last time we got involved in the middle east and then bailed without paying the check, bad things happened.

We've been writing checks for decades, bad things are still happening


And it's all rooted in that one time we failed to stick it out.

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 daedalus wrote:
 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

Remind me again why we count Pakistan as our ally, and why we give them billions of dollars in aid


Because the last time we got involved in the middle east and then bailed without paying the check, bad things happened.


Truer things have never been said. I think there's a lesson in this for all of us, do not dishonour your cheques or bad things will happen further down the track. Also If a couple is having a dispute and you don't know them ,stay out of it or they will both likely turn on you , likewise don't give one of them money, it is likely to turn out poorly for you as well.

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By eliminating the zealots and retaining the more mercenary elements, we could end up with an organisation which may eventually lose it's ideals - then, the Taliban become little more than organised criminals, and you end up with Mexico in the middle east, a country run by well-armed cartels. Possibly - that's my pet hypothesis.

Not sure how bad that'd be, really - but people out for cash tend to want to be around to enjoy it, rather than be explosively plastered over a street somewhere.

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The Talibs have always wanted to be around to enjoy their power. Their use of suicide bombers is pretty limited compared to AQ types. The leadership may not mind sending some brainwashed or low IQ type to be blown up, but they very much use tactics which allow them to fight another day.

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The Taliban are already like cartels. A lot of their money came from selling opium, which grows like bark on a tree in Afghanistan. The reason their broke is because we destroyed their fields and handed the entire industry over to the guys on our side.

   
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 Corpsesarefun wrote:
Opium doesn't grow on trees dude, it's a poppy.


He didn't say it grew on bark. He was saying it grows everywhere in Afghanistan, which it does.

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