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Who care what they are call, they are still "Operation Meat Sheild" making sure the Marines gat all of the Glory.

Astra militarum = star soldiers
Adeptus militaris = soldiers of doom (literally doom soldiers, or for imps doom(ed) soldiers...)


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 Anpu42 wrote:
Who care what they are call, they are still "Operation Meat Sheild" making sure the Marines gat all of the Glory.

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So what about the "knight paladin" rumour? Afterall, grey knights have nemesis, tau have riptide, eldar have wraithknight, tyranids have trygon, chaos has khorne lorde of skulls, orks have a stompa, etc.... seems a new heavy in the form of a walking mech would be in line...

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
Adeptus militaris = soldiers of doom (literally doom soldiers, or for imps doom(ed) soldiers...)

Where are you getting this "literal" definition from?

 Breotan wrote:

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
Adeptus militaris = soldiers of doom (literally doom soldiers, or for imps doom(ed) soldiers...)

Where are you getting this "literal" definition from?

Google Translate, apparently. It's rendering "adeptus" as "doom."

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
Astra militarum = star soldiers
Adeptus militaris = soldiers of doom (literally doom soldiers, or for imps doom(ed) soldiers...)

From my very very basic knowledge of Latin militaris/militarum can not translate into soldier. Where Miles, Militis is the base noun in the 3rd declination, so if it were soldier in the same number and case it would look like Militis and militum. Those would translate to "of the soldier/soldiers", a more likely translation would be Military.

http://www.latin-dictionary.org/militaris
http://www.latin-dictionary.org/adeptus

attainment, an obtaining....
military; of a soldier; warlike; [res mllitaris => the art of war] 

That is the literall translation, which doesn't make sense....

Obtaining of a soldier
Warlike atainment

Whatever combo you want.....

It's still imperial guard!




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Who cares about the name rumor, gw will do what they want and call it what they want.....

It's almost like it's a gak name an intern farted out on their tea break

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
I think some folks are splitting hairs here, or not seeing both sides of the coin.

On Dakka? Perish the thought.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
I think some folks are splitting hairs here, or not seeing both sides of the coin.

On Dakka? Perish the thought.

More correctly - in the World?

Eh, it's a silly new name, and the change is done for legal, not creative reasons.

It's not like the Sisters, where the names were always used interchangbly in the fluff. This is a new name, out of whole cloth.

It's not a big deal, just another example of GW worrying more about putting out a product that can be trademarked then making a product that's well designed. Nothing new to see here.

it's going to be interesting to see players continue to refer to their army as "IG" at tournaments and stuff.

 Polonius wrote:
Eh, it's a silly new name, and the change is done for legal, not creative reasons.

Its also not going to work as everyone will still know exactly what Imperial Guard is (at least within the context of 40k).

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
http://www.latin-dictionary.org/militaris
http://www.latin-dictionary.org/adeptus

attainment, an obtaining....
military; of a soldier; warlike; [res mllitaris => the art of war] 

That is the literall translation, which doesn't make sense....

Obtaining of a soldier
Warlike atainment

I think they got the "Adeptus" (which is a real latin word, albeit decontextualized) from the XIX century meaning of "adept", in the sense of one who has taken the required steps to become part of an occult organization or sect. An initiate.

As for actual Imperial Guard rumors, I'm still waiting.

Adept can also mean skilled or talented, which was where I always assumed that it had been drawn from, but yes, the cult member makes a lot of sense.

One of those things that works from multiple angles I guess.

 Polonius wrote:
Eh, it's a silly new name, and the change is done for legal, not creative reasons.

It's not like the Sisters, where the names were always used interchangbly in the fluff. This is a new name, out of whole cloth.

It's not a big deal, just another example of GW worrying more about putting out a product that can be trademarked then making a product that's well designed. Nothing new to see here.

it's going to be interesting to see players continue to refer to their army as "IG" at tournaments and stuff.

Yeah which is funny.. Their issues with trademarking ONLY happened after they started to sue every single person who used the word 'warhammer'. Maybe if they would have just made a game people enjoy playing instead of suing websites this wouldn't be a problem for them!

Ah well..

Are there any good rumors as to whats going to happen to the platoons? points or the like????

Every other branch of the Imperium has a pseudo-Latin name, doesn't seem silly that the Guard would as well. It's really not going to be very interesting to see people refer to them as IG, unless you have a very specific definition of interesting.

If the codex has a bunch of new plastics (which it has to if they are phasing out metal and FC and not eliminating half the book) and a Knight or super heavies people will be wetting themselves even if the book is called Space Army Soldiers.

I was thinking, and this is just opinion rather than any sort of rumour, that Guard would be the easiest army to justify a lot of plastic kits for.

I've seen several people dismiss rumours on the basis that other releases haven't received as many new plastic kits, but as Guard are probably the most expensive army to collect, requiring a greater number of kits than perhaps any other faction except maybe Orks or Nids, and seem to be one of the most popular factions, perhaps GW thinks it will get a decent enough return on it's investment to put out more new releases than usual?

Thing is, they're not space marines.

Don't be dull.
I assume all the IG armor sells well? Seems like they'd be rolling the dice on plastic Ogryns/Ratlings/Roughriders much more than knights/tanks.

 plastictrees wrote:
Every other branch of the Imperium has a pseudo-Latin name, doesn't seem silly that the Guard would as well. It's really not going to be very interesting to see people refer to them as IG, unless you have a very specific definition of interesting..

it'll be interesting because older players may not know who the Astra Militaria is, as that's a completely new name. Brand new players might not know who the Imperial Guard is.

You generally don't see name changes after 20 years to a major faction, in any context. Although, at one point, the fluff talked about the Imperial Army, not Imperial Guard.

 Polonius wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
Every other branch of the Imperium has a pseudo-Latin name, doesn't seem silly that the Guard would as well. It's really not going to be very interesting to see people refer to them as IG, unless you have a very specific definition of interesting..

it'll be interesting because older players may not know who the Astra Militaria is, as that's a completely new name. Brand new players might not know who the Imperial Guard is.

You generally don't see name changes after 20 years to a major faction, in any context. Although, at one point, the fluff talked about the Imperial Army, not Imperial Guard.

Presumably, older players who still follow 40K semi-regularly, will be aware of a new Codex coming out, complete with a new name (if rumours are correct) or occasionally check the website to see the name change.

I don't really see this as any more of a problem than an older player not knowing what a Riptide is or being wrong-footed by the fact that 40K now has things called Flyers.

I don't think its a problem, or least not a major one. I just find it interesting, is all.

If anything it will weed out all the gamers with hair-trigger psychotic disorders.

 plastictrees wrote:
If anything it will weed out all the gamers with hair-trigger psychotic disorders.

Yeah, that's really nice. Alternatively, it'll really appeal to the "We'll eat gak and call it ice cream if you tell us to" crowd.

 Bull0 wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
If anything it will weed out all the gamers with hair-trigger psychotic disorders.

Yeah, that's really nice. Alternatively, it'll really appeal to the "We'll eat gak and call it ice cream if you tell us to" crowd.

Those guys are such suckers, not losing their minds if a faction is renamed. Not going to fool me. I'm getting my aquila tattoo removed as I type this.

 Polonius wrote:
Eh, it's a silly new name, and the change is done for legal, not creative reasons.

It's not like the Sisters, where the names were always used interchangbly in the fluff. This is a new name, out of whole cloth.

It's not a big deal, just another example of GW worrying more about putting out a product that can be trademarked then making a product that's well designed. Nothing new to see here.

it's going to be interesting to see players continue to refer to their army as "IG" at tournaments and stuff.

What were the legal reasons? Sorryto ask, but I came to the thread late and didn't want to slog through several pages to see if the reason was in one of them.

Basically, GW have no right to a good number of things that they assert as trademarks, often because they're utterly derivative or generic, as has been exposed by the Chapterhouse suit, so, subsequently, name changes to things that are more protectable have become de rigeur for GW as they launch new stuff.

The assumption is that GW can't trademark Imperial Guard, so FaceHole Games could produce Imperial Guard bitz.
They can trademark Adorable Spacenheimers, thereby preventing 3rd parties from using that name to sell their bitz.

Eh.

 Bull0 wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
If anything it will weed out all the gamers with hair-trigger psychotic disorders.

Yeah, that's really nice. Alternatively, it'll really appeal to the "We'll eat gak and call it ice cream if you tell us to" crowd.

Because of a name change. Because a smattering of characters changed and now they're not called the same thing - if this rumor even pans out. I have two Imperial Guard armies and I sincerely don't give a golly gosh darn what their name is on the front of the codex. They're still the Imperial Guard to me, and I don't need to throw away all my models because the boxes they came in back in the day said "Imperial Guard" on them instead of "Astro Doobilydoo" or whatever. There are a lot of silly things people get defensive or angry about in this hobby, but this is seriously one of the dumbest.

 plastictrees wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
If anything it will weed out all the gamers with hair-trigger psychotic disorders.

Yeah, that's really nice. Alternatively, it'll really appeal to the "We'll eat gak and call it ice cream if you tell us to" crowd.

Those guys are such suckers, not losing their minds if a faction is renamed. Not going to fool me. I'm getting my aquila tattoo removed as I type this.

Yeah, they certainly seem like frothing mentalists if you ascribe behaviours to them that they themselves haven't exhibited ("Losing their minds", acting "psychotic", etc). As I understand it, on the internet it's both big and clever to do that. Particularly when it's about a topic so crucial as this. So kudos once again.

Just remember kids - people who care about a thing more than you do are, by definition, suitable only for ridicule. You're right to not give a damn, and long may you continue.


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 Brother SRM wrote:

Because of a name change. Because a smattering of characters changed and now they're not called the same thing - if this rumor even pans out. I have two Imperial Guard armies and I sincerely don't give a golly gosh darn what their name is on the front of the codex. They're still the Imperial Guard to me, and I don't need to throw away all my models because the boxes they came in back in the day said "Imperial Guard" on them instead of "Astro Doobilydoo" or whatever. There are a lot of silly things people get defensive or angry about in this hobby, but this is seriously one of the dumbest.

Again, find me the people who said they're throwing away their guard army because of this and I'll take the point.

They didn't do that, dude, they just said they hate the new name. They didn't lose their gak or act psychotic or say they're selling their armies or removing their tattoos or whatever. So stop with that, because it's weird.