W40k : Imperial Guard 6th ed codex for early 2014 (topic reloaded)

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**sierra 1247**

Not keen on this name change truth be told. Fingers crossed for a stormtrooper kit but pinches of salt are going to be taken.

**Kanluwen**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
pretre wrote:
That blurb is from the least reliable section of those rumors, so I wouldn't sweat it.

Let's hope so.

I dunno, I could see them making Heavy/Special Weapon teams as "5 models base" with the ability to add 5 more.

**pretre**

Kanluwen wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
pretre wrote:
That blurb is from the least reliable section of those rumors, so I wouldn't sweat it.

Let's hope so.

I dunno, I could see them making Heavy/Special Weapon teams as "5 models base" with the ability to add 5 more.

I could see it happening as well, I just think that the source has to be looked at when something like this comes up.

**Thatguyoverthere**

BrookM wrote:

Also, if the rumour is true that veterans can assault out of vehicles, why? Everybody and their fething mum hits faster and harder than a veteran, so why allow them to do the one thing they're not supposed to do: Assaulting!

I think it sounds pretty sweet. Not particularly useful for taking out infantry, but I usually use my vets as tank hunters. Shoot out of a Chimera and take out a tank, assault and take out another with melta bombs.

Or just useful for the handful of times you get within charging distance of Tau.

**Bull0**

Thatguyoverthere wrote:
BrookM wrote:

Also, if the rumour is true that veterans can assault out of vehicles, why? Everybody and their fething mum hits faster and harder than a veteran, so why allow them to do the one thing they're not supposed to do: Assaulting!

I think it sounds pretty sweet. Not particularly useful for taking out infantry, but I usually use my vets as tank hunters. Shoot out of a Chimera and take out a tank, assault and take out another with melta bombs.

Or just useful for the handful of times you get within charging distance of Tau.

I don't think you can shoot one target and then assault another target, unless vehicles are the exception. Or your target is a vehicle squadron, which might be OK. I'm with BrookM, veterans are for shooting things up with.

**Sparkadia**

If the HWT are 10-man squads, does that mean I am getting 7 ablative wound Guardsmen or am I just having to pay more for a larger team that may very well waste firepower that could be better spent elsewhere?

Any maths on how much of a loss 1 Melta will be to a Vet squad? Certainly seems significant (though that brings them back in line with the other specialists from rival Codexes)

**Thatguyoverthere**

Bull0 wrote:

I don't think you can shoot one target and then assault another target, unless vehicles are the exception. Or your target is a vehicle squadron, which might be OK. I'm with BrookM, veterans are for shooting things up with.

Iirc you can assault another target, if you destroyed the first target. I don't have my rulebook handy though.

If not it still might be handy for those times you really need a tank dead, and you whiffed with those melta shots.

Sparkadia wrote:

Any maths on how much of a loss 1 Melta will be to a Vet squad? Certainly seems significant (though that brings them back in line with the other specialists from rival Codexes)

I'm not sure what you mean. It would cost 10pts less to take a squad with 1 less melta. And it's a 33% reduction is special weapons. 50% if you're counting special weapons and heavy weapons together. Or a 100% increase if you're only taking heavy weapons.

**Happygrunt**

MrMoustaffa wrote:
You know, with the rumor that GW is pushing to try and make forgeworld "mainstream", it doesn't sound so crazy anymore that Forgeworld units might get rolled into the new codex. If you were wanting to push Forgeworld, Imperial Guard would be a good way to do it.

The question is how they would do it. Will they just stick them in the codex, or will we see a note in the beginning that says "check out Forgeworld for extra units and army lists to use as supplements in your 40k games." Its not like anything Forgeworld has is any more broken than what's already in the game anyways.

Didn't we get a rumor about GW folding FW into the main website. If they did this at the same time as IG, that would make a lot of sense.

Also, if they are March bound, wouldn't we have had leaks by now?

**H.B.M.C.**

If GW thinks that allowing Vets to assault out of vehicles is something Guard players "need", then I have little faith for the rest of the book.

**l0k1**

Currently the rumors point to April for IG, next month is the imperial knights with possible csm supplement and some new kits for them.

**Sparkadia**

Thatguyoverthere wrote:

Sparkadia wrote:

Any maths on how much of a loss 1 Melta will be to a Vet squad? Certainly seems significant (though that brings them back in line with the other specialists from rival Codexes)

I'm not sure what you mean. It would cost 10pts less to take a squad with 1 less melta. And it's a 33% reduction is special weapons. 50% if you're counting special weapons and heavy weapons together. Or a 100% increase if you're only taking heavy weapons.

In an average scenario against, say an AV12 Vehicle, how much does losing 1 Melta impact the chances to destroy it, was my question. But you're right, I suppose it would just be a 33% loss, in any circumstance. I think I'd rather take larger Vets Squads with more Meltas than smaller Vet Squads with fewer Meltas so at least I know if the Vets are able to do their thing that they are nearly guaranteed to wreck whatever they are shooting at. That always seemed to be the big draw of having the 3 Specials, you know those guys are going to ruin somebodies day in a big way.

**Harriticus**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
If GW thinks that allowing Vets to assault out of vehicles is something Guard players "need", then I have little faith for the rest of the book.

GW doesn't design rules with any real insight besides "force players to buy more stuff". This kind of rule is just more or less randomly put in there without real planning or care.

**Slaanesh-Devotee**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
If GW thinks that allowing Vets to assault out of vehicles is something Guard players "need", then I have little faith for the rest of the book.

Guard Vets assaulting from vehicles won't happen. GW have shown that this is 'non-negotiable' from all the previous codices and BRB, only disembarking from an Assault vehicle allows charging. Plenty of other units that would have benefited / made sense to have such a rule have not received it.

**bu11etmagn3tt**

I am hoping the new malcador sized tank is true rumor and that the knight paladin mech walker that is supposedly 7.5" tall is true to, so I can add it to my project... However things change in the codex, my core army I am doing will easily be tweaked into the new codex...

**H.B.M.C.**

Harriticus wrote:
GW doesn't design rules with any real insight besides "force players to buy more stuff". This kind of rule is just more or less randomly put in there without real planning or care.

Hmm… that is a point. I can sorta see one of them attempting to explain it to a player.

GW Designer: Now your Vets can assault out of Chimeras and Salamanders! This is great news!
Us: But why would we want our elite shooting units to assault?
GWD: It gives them more flexibility.
Us: They were already pretty flexible. But ignoring that, why can Guard Vets assault out of a vehicle yet Marines can’t assault out of a Rhino? Or Genestealers can’t assault after outflanking. I mean, imagine if the battle was taking part 20 meters to the side – those ‘Stealers would no longer be outflanking; they’d just be there! – so why the special treatment for Guard Vets?
GWD: Look! *shakes box of plastic Ogryns in our face* Ogryns!
Us: What are you doi–
GWD: Oooooh-grynssss! *continues to shake box*

Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:
Guard Vets assaulting from vehicles won't happen. GW have shown that this is 'non-negotiable' from all the previous codices and BRB, only disembarking from an Assault vehicle allows charging.

Rapid Assault: The Astra Millitariumiiness Veterans are extremely capable and versitile soldiers, employing tactics and strategies far and beyond the rank and file Astaratron Millitarysuperindustrialcomplex Guard troopers. Any vehicle that has Veterans embarked within gains the Assault Vehicle special rule. The vehicle loses the rule once the Veterans have completed disembarking.

That was easy. GW can just change the rules at a whim. Never forget that.

**plastictrees**

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Hmm… that is a point. I can sorta see one of them attempting to explain it to a player.

GW Designer: Now your Vets can assault out of Chimeras and Salamanders! This is great news!
Us: But why would we want our elite shooting units to assault?

( I think you're being overly optimistic.)

GWD: That's no longer a problem, as Veterans can't take ranged weapons anymore!
Us: That's...what?
GWD: Exactly! Why would you want ranged weapons now anyway when you can assault out of vehicles?

**ultimentra**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Harriticus wrote:
GW doesn't design rules with any real insight besides "force players to buy more stuff". This kind of rule is just more or less randomly put in there without real planning or care.

Hmm… that is a point. I can sorta see one of them attempting to explain it to a player.

GW Designer: Now your Vets can assault out of Chimeras and Salamanders! This is great news!
Us: But why would we want our elite shooting units to assault?
GWD: It gives them more flexibility.
Us: They were already pretty flexible. But ignoring that, why can Guard Vets assault out of a vehicle yet Marines can’t assault out of a Rhino? Or Genestealers can’t assault after outflanking. I mean, imagine if the battle was taking part 20 meters to the side – those ‘Stealers would no longer be outflanking; they’d just be there! – so why the special treatment for Guard Vets?
GWD: Look! *shakes box of plastic Ogryns in our face* Ogryns!
Us: What are you doi–
GWD: Oooooh-grynssss! *continues to shake box*

I gak you not I had a (now former) GW store manager do something like that to me once. Git would literally take things off the shelf and put it in your hands as a ploy to coerce you into feeling like you had to buy something. Just imagining that guy going "ooooooo.... ooohhhhhgrynnnssss" made my night.

**Harriticus**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Harriticus wrote:
GW doesn't design rules with any real insight besides "force players to buy more stuff". This kind of rule is just more or less randomly put in there without real planning or care.

Hmm… that is a point. I can sorta see one of them attempting to explain it to a player.

GW Designer: Now your Vets can assault out of Chimeras and Salamanders! This is great news!
Us: But why would we want our elite shooting units to assault?
GWD: It gives them more flexibility.
Us: They were already pretty flexible. But ignoring that, why can Guard Vets assault out of a vehicle yet Marines can’t assault out of a Rhino? Or Genestealers can’t assault after outflanking. I mean, imagine if the battle was taking part 20 meters to the side – those ‘Stealers would no longer be outflanking; they’d just be there! – so why the special treatment for Guard Vets?
GWD: Look! *shakes box of plastic Ogryns in our face* Ogryns!
Us: What are you doi–
GWD: Oooooh-grynssss! *continues to shake box*

Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:
Guard Vets assaulting from vehicles won't happen. GW have shown that this is 'non-negotiable' from all the previous codices and BRB, only disembarking from an Assault vehicle allows charging.

Rapid Assault: The Astra Millitariumiiness Veterans are extremely capable and versitile soldiers, employing tactics and strategies far and beyond the rank and file Astaratron Millitarysuperindustrialcomplex Guard troopers. Any vehicle that has Veterans embarked within gains the Assault Vehicle special rule. The vehicle loses the rule once the Veterans have completed disembarking.

That was easy. GW can just change the rules at a whim. Never forget that.

I think the internal discussion would go as:

GW designer: Now your Vets can assault out of Chimeras and Salamanders! This is great news!
GW exec: What's a Chimera?
GW designer: well you s...
GW exec: Does this sell more models
GW designer: Well not really bu...
GW exec: You're not with the internet are you? Those internet things are always talking about rules! This sounds like internet talk! Is that what a Chimera is?!
GW designer: No! I swear! I'm not with the internet!
GW exec: Our lawyers will see about that when my letter to them arrives in the mail. So what were you talking about again
GW designer: Just about the rules of th..
GW exec: How much do we charge for rules

**Palindrome**

H.B.M.C. wrote:

I really do hope that this isn't true.

Its one of the two easy ways to make HWS (a bit) more survivable so it doesn't really bother me all that much.

The name change is just stupid. It sounds bad. will be widely ignored and thrid party companies will have no impact on tird party sellers.

**Foolheart**

So if I have followed the rumors correctly, the following kits have been rumored to be include in the IG release:

Plastic Ogryn
Plastic Stormyroopers/vets
Plastic Flyer ( new not seen before)
Plastic baby super Heavy tank (Malcador)
Plastic steel legion
Plastic artillery
Plastic hydra
Plastic rough riders
Plastic griffon / salamander
...

Is it just me or does that seem like too much? I can buy the stuff that is currently metal being made into plastic kits. However, for Gaurd, there is still so much metal, Ogryn, rough riders, Steel Legion...

So I am guessing we won't see half of the rumored stuff in April, but may see it rolled out over the course of the year.

Any thoughts?

**Kanluwen**

Plastic Steel Legion are very unlikely. At this point I think it more likely to see new plastic Catachans and revised Cadian Shock Troops than plastic Steel Legion. GW seems fairly happy with having the Cadian aesthetic continuing.

In terms of what's metal for Guard, you have:
Psykers
Advisors
Commissars
Ogryn
Rough Riders
Kasrkin/Stormtroopers
Lots of named characters(Harker, Al'Rahem, Straken, Marbo, etc) and HQ/Platoon Command officer variants
Ratlings

The HQ stuff could easily be seeing a plastic clamshell release, Ogryn as a dual box with another Ogryn unit would work, and a plastic Kasrkin/Stormtroopers box being able to make a "Veteran" squad as well is not beyond belief.

A new flyer is a given I think for us to see an "attack" craft option in addition to the Valkyrie "transport" option we've already got.

**Hulksmash**

A lot I don't buy in the current rumors. But that said I'd love ogryns with riot shields. My old converted ones have them and it looks awesome

**BrookM**

Still hoping for that plastic Thunderbolt kit.

**whitehorn**

I'm surprised its taken this long for GW to make plastic ogryns.
When even your big names (Phil Kelly and I am sure I saw another one in white dwarf) are using converted fantasy ogres instead, you know something is wrong with the models.

Exciting

**Crazyterran**

Veteran Squads get nerfed?

Okay, I'm fine with that. I mean, if Plasma Guns/Melta Guns are supposed to be rare within the Imperial Guard, loading up a bunch of mooks (even if they are veteran mooks) with them seems like something the Imperium wouldn't do.

Rules wise, is was kind of silly the amount of firepower they could put out, especially since for some reason those Humans who managed to survive one campaign could shoot as well as Space Marine/Space Marine Veterans who have fought in dozens. 2 Special Weapons for 10 seems more fair and in line with other books.

Veteran Squads can assault out of Chimeras?

GOING TO FAR GW!

**gravitywell**

For the new Ogryns/Bullgryns... For new plastics released in 6th so far, have there been any bad units? Or can guard players look forward to fielding Ogryns?

(ie GW wants people to buy them)

**Brother SRM**

BrookM wrote:
Still hoping for that plastic Thunderbolt kit.

You and me both! I've hovered over the checkout button on Forgeworld many, many times, but a plastic one would be what it takes me to finally pull the trigger. It's an older kit, so I guess it's more likely than most other models to turn from Forgeworld to plastic, even if they don't really do that anymore.

**BrookM**

Tell me about it, I gifted one to a friend, she spent most of the time fixing and correcting it before even getting to prime and paint it! Really want one myself, but not from Forge World!

**bu11etmagn3tt**

Foolheart wrote:
So if I have followed the rumors correctly, the following kits have been rumored to be include in the IG release:

Plastic griffon / salamander
...

Any thoughts?

........... Actually, in regards to hunter tanks and salamanders, GW will include profiles in the new codex so fw models can be used. No new kits, just existing fw now included.....

**pretre**

Foolheart wrote:
So if I have followed the rumors correctly, the following kits have been rumored to be include in the IG release:

Plastic Ogryn
Plastic Stormyroopers/vets
Plastic Flyer ( new not seen before)
Plastic baby super Heavy tank (Malcador)
Plastic steel legion
Plastic artillery
Plastic hydra
Plastic rough riders
Plastic griffon / salamander
...

Is it just me or does that seem like too much? I can buy the stuff that is currently metal being made into plastic kits. However, for Gaurd, there is still so much metal, Ogryn, rough riders, Steel Legion...

So I am guessing we won't see half of the rumored stuff in April, but may see it rolled out over the course of the year.

Any thoughts?

You probably won't see half of that stuff ever. Remember what happened with all the rumored kits for Tyranids.

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bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
Foolheart wrote:
So if I have followed the rumors correctly, the following kits have been rumored to be include in the IG release:

Plastic griffon / salamander
...

Any thoughts?
........... Actually, in regards to hunter tanks and salamanders, GW will include profiles in the new codex so fw models can be used. No new kits, just existing fw now included.....

Are you speculating or are you saying this as a new rumor?