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 Mr.Omega wrote:
Personally I most want my Veterans to not become garbage with some stupid crap like one SW per 5 men. That would ruin them, its only the third SW that really makes them worthwhile.

Losing the Vendetta? Eh, I can live with that. But not my Vets. No, no no no.

I hope that's one of the things that won't come true I love my vets too!!

But they can assault out of vehicles now! Wooooooooooo.....

I'm sure someone's already done this, but what would we need to see new plastic kits for just for them to keep the units we have right now (assuming that everything going forward needs to be plastic)?
Ogryn, Roughriders, Ratlings, Stormtroopers, Commissars, Advisor types, All Special Characters. Anything else?

So that's 4 boxes and at least half a dozen plastic clamshells.

Throw a Knight in there, because it actually seems pretty likely.

That doesn't seem like a ridiculous amout of stuff, especially split in to two waves. Wouldn't be stunned if ratlings got dropped though.

 plastictrees wrote:
But they can assault out of vehicles now! Wooooooooooo.....

I'm sure someone's already done this, but what would we need to see new plastic kits for just for them to keep the units we have right now (assuming that everything going forward needs to be plastic)?
Ogryn, Roughriders, Ratlings, Stormtroopers, Commissars, Advisor types, All Special Characters. Anything else?

So that's 4 boxes and at least half a dozen plastic clamshells.

Throw a Knight in there, because it actually seems pretty likely.

That doesn't seem like a ridiculous amout of stuff, especially split in to two waves. Wouldn't be stunned if ratlings got dropped though.

Plus the new tanks and the flyer. I would love a tank bigger than a land raider Guard are the king of tanks after all.

Zengu wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
But they can assault out of vehicles now! Wooooooooooo.....

I'm sure someone's already done this, but what would we need to see new plastic kits for just for them to keep the units we have right now (assuming that everything going forward needs to be plastic)?
Ogryn, Roughriders, Ratlings, Stormtroopers, Commissars, Advisor types, All Special Characters. Anything else?

So that's 4 boxes and at least half a dozen plastic clamshells.

Throw a Knight in there, because it actually seems pretty likely.

That doesn't seem like a ridiculous amout of stuff, especially split in to two waves. Wouldn't be stunned if ratlings got dropped though.

Plus the new tanks and the flyer,

Sure, but none of that is confirmed. Neither is the Knight of course, but recent releases point in the 'Big Walker' direction.
I guess my point is, even if they hardly add any new units at all, if they just released plastic kits for everything that is currently in metal or doesn't exist there would be a lot of happy people.
A Stormtrooper/Veteran kit similar to the Sternguard kit? Price aside that would be awesome, and you could probably spread the bitz over 20+ veterans.

It seems a clever way to sort that to me would be to have a Commissar in a Veterans or Stormtrooper box.

I also would expect to see the Roughriders to go before Ratlings, it seems redundant now and FW can offer them to Guard players via Imperial Armour books.

Though it would sadden me, it would indeed not surprise me if Rough Riders were to go. Figures, just when I've got a demi squadron of them using Empire Pistoleers horses and bits from Victoria Miniatures.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
It seems a clever way to sort that to me would be to have a Commissar in a Veterans or Stormtrooper box.

I'd rather an "Imperial Advisors" (or whatever the trademark-able faux-Latin version of that is ), that has a plastic Commissar, Priest, Engineseer, Primaris Psyker and the other three.

 BrookM wrote:
Though it would sadden me, it would indeed not surprise me if Rough Riders were to go. Figures, just when I've got a demi squadron of them using Empire Pistoleers horses and bits from Victoria Miniatures.

I feel your pain. I've just picked up another five horses prior to a new Vic order going in...plus five of Curious Constructs motorcyclists on the building station.

That would work for me also H.B.M.C, in general the more plastic conversion parts we get the better as far as I'm concerned.

As to the Rough Riders, I'd hate to see them go btw, I just look at the fact they've never really unpdated them since the Mongols on horses, which is looking a bit old hat these days and you can see it going.

Personally I'd love to see either a new Horse based regiment or just Cadians mounted on steeds. However with no parts currently out there, and the fact bits companies have some alternative sculpts. If they don't plan on doing a Rough Rider box, the way GW has acted with the Tyranid codex could easily repeat for Guard players on certain units.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
That would work for me also H.B.M.C, in general the more plastic conversion parts we get the better as far as I'm concerned.

Consider the new Dwarf engineer guy. He comes with four different arm options. The more ways they find to sneak modularity into these single-frame plastic characters the better.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Personally I'd love to see either a new Horse based regiment or just Cadians mounted on steeds. However with no parts currently out there, and the fact bits companies have some alternative sculpts. If they don't plan on doing a Rough Rider box, the way GW has acted with the Tyranid codex could easily repeat for Guard players on certain units.

Yes, I can see Rough Riders getting removed from the Guard completely. That means the legacy of the Rough Riders will rest with the only remaining in-print Rough Rider rules, written by yours truly for Only War (naturally!).

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Personally I'd love to see either a new Horse based regiment or just Cadians mounted on steeds. However with no parts currently out there, and the fact bits companies have some alternative sculpts. If they don't plan on doing a Rough Rider box, the way GW has acted with the Tyranid codex could easily repeat for Guard players on certain units.

Personally I'd rather see savages on horses or something completely different than Cadians on horses, it just doesn't fit the Cadian image. Plenty of other regiments to choose from, I'm sure GW still has a third edition Guard codex lying about with all those regiments in the back, it even has a section on Rough Rider formations, "jump to it GW!" I'd say, if I were holding out any hopes.

RoughRiders on two different steed types would blow my mind.
I am now holding my breath until this occurs.

Other than marine kits have GW been producing plastic boxes (40k or Fantasy) that don't make at least two unit types?
That's what makes me dubious that we'll see Ratlings back.
If they were included they would have to expand their role to make them viable for dual kit treatment.

Aye, thats why I noted a new regiment, Cadians would be a last resort because the idea of them on horses doesn't quite gel in my head... but I'd buy them and convert.

Another dread scenario I'd rather not see happen, Rough Riders on bikes. It's just not the same..

 plastictrees wrote:
But they can assault out of vehicles now! Wooooooooooo.....

Speaking of that, if that rumor comes to pass there's going to be a tremendous amount of teeth-gnashing from BT and World Eaters players, as well as everyone who wants playable Howling Banshees.

 BrookM wrote:
Another dread scenario I'd rather not see happen, Rough Riders on bikes. It's just not the same..

I still really like the RT era picture of the guard lined up with an officer/commisar on a jetbike. It was a great mix of 2000AD type cyber cool.
They'd have to be a different type of unit though. Basically speedy Veterans.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
But they can assault out of vehicles now! Wooooooooooo.....

Speaking of that, if that rumor comes to pass there's going to be a tremendous amount of teeth-gnashing from BT and World Eaters players, as well as everyone who wants playable Howling Banshees.

If it were to happen, it would not just be useless, but also something of a taunt from the devs to the players.


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 plastictrees wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Another dread scenario I'd rather not see happen, Rough Riders on bikes. It's just not the same..

I still really like the RT era picture of the guard lined up with an officer/commisar on a jetbike. It was a great mix of 2000AD type cyber cool.
They'd have to be a different type of unit though. Basically speedy Veterans.

Or plain old Guardsmen with a buff to toughness or their armour save, please?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
But they can assault out of vehicles now! Wooooooooooo.....

Speaking of that, if that rumor comes to pass there's going to be a tremendous amount of teeth-gnashing from BT and World Eaters players, as well as everyone who wants playable Howling Banshees.

Well, it means that super squishy guard will be leaping out of vehicles and throwing themselves on the chainswords/power swords of all those respective armies, so they might not be too upset.
Unless the background justification is that all IG Veterans are suicidal then I'm sure we're in for a very silly justification for _why_ they can assault out though.

I really hope, a certain US lady will release her new ebook novella "Spot joins the Astra Militarum" in March, with a lovely dedication to the legal team in Nottingham

Maybe GW thinks Guard needs to assault more.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yes, I can see Rough Riders getting removed from the Guard completely. That means the legacy of the Rough Riders will rest with the only remaining in-print Rough Rider rules, written by yours truly for Only War (naturally!).

In that case, GG. I hope you made them awesome and badass !

The Assualting out of vehicles Vets is the one I think compleatly wrong, givien the Anti-Assault of 6th.

Ratlings can be done in a single frame - a bit like Gretchin/Nurglings are now - so I wouldn't worry about them.

 BrookM wrote:
Another dread scenario I'd rather not see happen, Rough Riders on bikes. It's just not the same..

this maybe?

Like I said, for me it's just not the same. Because if he's on a bike, make him a biker with all the accompanying buffs and bonuses.

I agree, my dragoons will be sad if they have no rules...

Also anybody worried about the future of Marbo? I have never seen so many conversions in my life, everybody seems to have one and everybody loves making him and so forth. I hope he remains in the next codex because he is one of those characters everyone goes creative on and it adds to variation.

Lack of variation (anyone else sick of seeing cadian after cadian in one of the most diverse armies in the game?) is a huge killer for me, Im so over seeing cadians (and Death Corps for that matter) everywhere and really wish people would get creative with their guard. So hopefully they have doctrines to really help people branch out a bit more.

Same with the cavalry, I think having horses really emphasizes the variatey of the imperial guard.

In regards to special characters I also hope (unlikely) they release "unamed characters" so you have to give the character a name and background, along with your model version. Just something to add more to variation and so on.

I can hope...

Chances are Marbo, Straken and Harker will not be in the codex, but rather in Codex: Catachans, or the Catachan 122nd supplement or the like.

 BrookM wrote:
Chances are Marbo, Straken and Harker will not be in the codex, but rather in Codex: Catachans, or the Catachan 122nd supplement or the like.

Oh well, They should release a supplement "Custom Regiment" style thing, where the book has examples of famous regiments rules (and some characters) and then the rules for making your own regiment. Id buy that immediately. Kinda like what they did with the eldar craftworlds thing ages ago.

On topic of rough riders and Imperial Gaurd, I personally always picture the US Cavalry from the Wild West era. I would love to see a shooty rough rider load out with a toughness buff, kinda of like a poor mans Windrider jet bike squad. Col. Custer or how about Captain Teddy R. As special characters? I think it would be a little refreshing to see this than Mongol or Arab with lances retreads. (Which historically were more horse archer too weren't they?)

I also have dragoons (French ones) and Once the new codex is out im gonna modify the rough rider rules for a more shooty mobile unit rather than a close combat unit.