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 Swastakowey wrote:
its easier when you arent competative though.

I'm really not although I do appreciate having an army list that is both 'competative' and 'fluffy'. Its just a shame that GW can rarely (if ever) manage either one, never mind both.

Anyway this is getting a little off topic but I suppose thats the nature of a rumour thread with no rumours

 Palindrome wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
its easier when you arent competative though.

I'm really not although I do appreciate having an army list that is both 'competative' and 'fluffy'. Its just a shame that GW can rarely (if ever) manage either one, never mind both.

Anyway this is getting a little off topic but I suppose thats the nature of a rumour thread with no rumours

Personally I dont see whats wrong with forums going off topic, its how talking and ideas etc come up lol.

But yea I certainly see where you are coming from but id be happy with anything that allows my guardsmen to be different rules wise to the guardsmen down the road.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Palindrome wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
its easier when you arent competative though.

I'm really not although I do appreciate having an army list that is both 'competative' and 'fluffy'. Its just a shame that GW can rarely (if ever) manage either one, never mind both.

Anyway this is getting a little off topic but I suppose thats the nature of a rumour thread with no rumours

Personally I dont see whats wrong with forums going off topic, its how talking and ideas etc come up lol.

But yea I certainly see where you are coming from but id be happy with anything that allows my guardsmen to be different rules wise to the guardsmen down the road.

I agree too I would love some more rumors though.....

Here we go....

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
Here we go....

From where is this leak?

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
Here we go....

We've already got a thread on that. This is the IG thread.

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 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:

Yes it is. And this rumor was part of this thread first..... knight pal is part of guard in march.

Rumors I was reading said it was for all Imperial armies, not Guard specifically.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:
* Special Weapon and Heavy Weapon Squads are now 10 men each.

I really do hope that this isn't true.

I do hope it is. 10 wounds and three lascannon/autocannon/heavy bolters, what is there not to like?

 hdbbstephen wrote:

*shakes fist
I have to agree!

I really dont get it, upping heavy weapon squads to ten models is something I wanted for a long time and it made sense. If Devastators could have meat shields, why not guard?

Buying even more box sets of minis?

 BrookM wrote:
Buying even more box sets of minis?

I really cant see H' having problems with that, his IG army is of legendary size. He has more tanks than I could fit in my tiny London suburban flat and still have room to lie down and sleep. They are not so short of space in Oz.

 BrookM wrote:
Buying even more box sets of minis?

Or worse... reconstructing huge armies of infantry.

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 Kirasu wrote:
Options with no use aren't options, they're the illusion of choice.

I would prefer GW actually hire real game designers who care about making good books with a scope beyond their own little play club. It doesn't take much effort to create decent useful options, the problem is they do not make rules for anything other than physical models which stifles creativity.

I have to comment on this one, because this insanity came up during FAQ 2010 for BFG. WE actually HAD useful options on the table, and then got screaming flack from the fluff guys that we'd have to remove the options because one page in one book MIGHT be able to be interpreted as saying that Space Marines were forbidden lances (and that all other fluff examples that conflicted with this were just writers gettign it wrong). And so after much blood was shed in the war between fluff and game balance, the Marines were left with a nerfed lance option on strike cruisers with the express intent, according to the fluff guys, that no one would use it and of it would eventually be removed. The same issue came up with the Defiant class IN cruiser. As stands in BFG shes broken. No one will ever take this ship if they have any other option. The only viable way to fix it is to give it 2 str 2 launch bays. But because IN supposedly hates AC, the fact you have to jump through hoops already to have them in your fleet at all was deemed insufficiently nerfed. The fan version that's BFGR utterly abandoned good game design trying to struggle with the idea that there is only one way to fix it. The most hilarious thing I ever read in a forum was someone asking 'Well,what if we gave it 1.5 str launch bays per side? Would that make it strong enough to take without risking having IN AC spam?"

(There being no such thing as 'half a squadron' in BFG)

De Nile is no mere river in Egypt.


As opposed to one that was balanced for the points with other weapons.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Buying even more box sets of minis?

Or worse... reconstructing huge armies of infantry.

Well, if the veteran rumours are true I'll need to buy more fething Elysians anyway to make full squads again.

I cant wait to see the end of the ten wound lascannon frankly.

Viable heavy weapons squads that done lose firepower after a hard stare can only be a good thing.

Regular infantry squads can have the heavy bolters so that the lasguns have something to do. Autocannon and grenade launcher squads have been growing on me also, reasonable synergy with each other and with the backup lasguns.

Next I want to see mobbing up to include more than just regular squads. I would be satisfied with a pairing up mechanic for all IG infantry, excepting the elites, Mob up a platoon command with a special squad, or mob up regular squads with heavy squads.

The complete lack of rumors for this release has me a little concerned. If it really was a March release I think we would have a lot more to talk about right now. Either Guard aren't next or they're farther down the road than we think like April or maybe even May.

Considering the other rumor about what's coming in March, yeah, I think it's safe to say that this is absolutely not a March release.

It definitely is an April release.

I was really hoping for it to be march personally. My 3 month planned campaign was starting end of this month and I wanted something flash to use as my new codex.

Oh well. Only time will tell.

A giant walker? So, does this mean we get a HH-era tank "bigger than a Land Raider" as well as a giant walker?

I personally don't like the walker idea. Tracked vehicles all the way.

 Tower75 wrote:
A giant walker? So, does this mean we get a HH-era tank "bigger than a Land Raider" as well as a giant walker?

I personally don't like the walker idea. Tracked vehicles all the way.

That's fine, since the Walker does not belong to the guard. It's a mechanicus unit.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Tower75 wrote:
A giant walker? So, does this mean we get a HH-era tank "bigger than a Land Raider" as well as a giant walker?

I personally don't like the walker idea. Tracked vehicles all the way.

That's fine, since the Walker does not belong to the guard. It's a mechanicus unit.

Really? Is that the new fluff?

They used to be operated by feudal Knight Houses. That's how it's been recently described in Graham McNeill's Devine Adoratrice

http://graham-mcneill.com/devine-adoratrice/

I'd hate them to be crammed into the Mechanicus just because.

Whereas Andy Chambers once wrote with vision, the current writers drool on their keyboards.

I can easily see someone ignore the rich story to the knights to become yet another part of the department of skull priests.

 Tower75 wrote:
A giant walker? So, does this mean we get a HH-era tank "bigger than a Land Raider" as well as a giant walker?

I personally don't like the walker idea. Tracked vehicles all the way.

Actually, wheeled vehicles have 1/10th the upkeep costs, 1/6th of the maintenance requirements and can be constructed to have even better cross country mobility... In a mass army like the IG, I wonder why the only guard vehicles on wheels are the light tauros buggies.

I'm treating my own Knightly order as an autonomous organisation on the Imperial world of my Guard regiment. They don't belong to the Imperial Guard command structure, nor are they part of the Mechanicum. They can however be petitioned to lend their aid to campaigns undertaken by the regiments.

 Kosake wrote:

 Tower75 wrote:
A giant walker? So, does this mean we get a HH-era tank "bigger than a Land Raider" as well as a giant walker?

I personally don't like the walker idea. Tracked vehicles all the way.

Actually, wheeled vehicles have 1/10th the upkeep costs, 1/6th of the maintenance requirements and can be constructed to have even better cross country mobility... In a mass army like the IG, I wonder why the only guard vehicles on wheels are the light tauros buggies.

Don't bring logic into a 40K thread. You want to keep that thing as far away as possible from all of Imperium's vehicles. Flying bricks with no aerodynamic abilities whatsoever, tanks with less efficient design than the absolute worst WW2 contraptions, and overall technology basically less advanced than in the 21st century AD.

I doubt the IG get a walker. To me it sounds like someone heard the rumour about the upcoming dataslate Knights and confused them as being an IG-related release. I'm really curious what the new IG models are though, but frankly I don't have high hopes for them. Most of IG's vehicles look terrible and hopelessly outdated and it seems to me that GW wants to maintain that fugly aesthetic. The kit that GW could theoretically have some success with is the new veterans or guardsmen, and that would be a necessary update as well.

 Zweischneid wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Tower75 wrote:
A giant walker? So, does this mean we get a HH-era tank "bigger than a Land Raider" as well as a giant walker?

I personally don't like the walker idea. Tracked vehicles all the way.

That's fine, since the Walker does not belong to the guard. It's a mechanicus unit.

Really? Is that the new fluff?

They used to be operated by feudal Knight Houses. That's how it's been recently described in Graham McNeill's Devine Adoratrice

http://graham-mcneill.com/devine-adoratrice/

I'd hate them to be crammed into the Mechanicus just because.

Knights are organized into households/orders and are not part of the Adeptus Titanicus, but they are still part of/allied to the mechanicus rather than fully independent entities. You have groups like the House Devine who are more independent, and the Knights of Taranis who were part of the Crusade and now serve on Mars itself.

As I understand it it's the Mechanicus' arrival on feudal "Knight" worlds that brought the Houses into being, so on that basis it'd make sense to think of them as being part of/closely aligned to the Mechanicus. "A Mechanicus unit" is too much of an oversimplification though, I think. I've only been reading into it recently, though.

 Bull0 wrote:
As I understand it it's the Mechanicus' arrival on feudal "Knight" worlds that brought the Houses into being, so on that basis it'd make sense to think of them as being part of/closely aligned to the Mechanicus. "A Mechanicus unit" is too much of an oversimplification though, I think. I've only been reading into it recently, though.

Knight worlds are part of the Adeptus Mechanicus in the same way that Marines are part of the Imperium. They may be independent a small degree but they still pay homage to the Mars. I can see the fluff changing a little though as the Knight worlds were supposedly founded during the Age of Strife by the Ad Mech and that seems pretty unlikely.

The original fluff for Knight worlds has them copying Eldar Exodite Knights to create their own stompy robot men. I don't see that fluff surviving