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i think apemen could be really cool and original. I vote for them

 tre manor wrote:
REH.....yeh I am big fan of the Conan works but Conan is much more modern and mundane than this setting will be. This is going to be high fantasy of a very different vein. When I say High Fantasy I do not mean pageantry and penache I mean wild concepts and epic millieu. I really want to cleave out an all new niche int he market similarly to what Wyrd did for Horror Punk with Malifaux or what Privateer PRess did for Steam Punk or what Wild West Exodus is doing for Weird West

So a bit of a Dark Sun flavour?

I really would not say that this setting is based on the history of our world. There are a few nods to various cultures from otu workd btu there is also a LOT of alienness.

MArio......yes. But different.

Apemen.....well they are not neccessarily Apemen. they are primate-like but are nto just a bunch of semi upright simians nor are they just a bunch of brutish subhumans. Everything in this world will have a bit of twist to their character and theme.

Lizardmen females........ These are few and far between and are generally not encountered outside of the immediate area of their lairs. There are two types of males, lesser drones who have nto matured to the point that they can sire eggs and thorn backs which are much more brutish and dangerous bu themselves are few and far between and almost never co-operate, regardless of stripe they are all dumb as rocks.

I just finished the first of the barbarian grunts. I decided that the first one pictured in this thread just did not quite do the trick so that one will end uo the first matrix for another faction's grunts.

 Buzzsaw wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
It depends on how "historically correct" you want to be (for want of a better term). I know it's a fantasy world, but it's still based on ours. Having the lizardmen be 50% (or 90%) Lizardwomen would be just as "correct" since they're entirely made up, after all.

Heck, that would be one of the rare cases where a race of "Lizard-women" (an all female species) would be both cool (well, I tihnk so) and scientifically justifiable.

'Cause, you know, science is very important in sword and sandal games... Science!

My main point being that human factions "should" be 50/50 isn't based on any part of our many, many centuries of rich history made up of killing one another with sharp and blunt objects - and that humans being 50/50 is in many ways more of a stretch than non-humans being 50/50 (or more!) females.

 tre manor wrote:
I really would not say that this setting is based on the history of our world. There are a few nods to various cultures from otu workd btu there is also a LOT of alienness.

MArio......yes. But different.

Apemen.....well they are not neccessarily Apemen. they are primate-like but are nto just a bunch of semi upright simians nor are they just a bunch of brutish subhumans. Everything in this world will have a bit of twist to their character and theme.

Lizardmen females........ These are few and far between and are generally not encountered outside of the immediate area of their lairs. There are two types of males, lesser drones who have nto matured to the point that they can sire eggs and thorn backs which are much more brutish and dangerous bu themselves are few and far between and almost never co-operate, regardless of stripe they are all dumb as rocks.

I just finished the first of the barbarian grunts. I decided that the first one pictured in this thread just did not quite do the trick so that one will end uo the first matrix for another faction's grunts.

First: no lizardmen females in the game (I assume from your description)? Boo.

Second: Slightly more substantive, the entire Lizardman faction is "dumb as rocks"? That... doesn't seem like a great building block for a faction...


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 Azazelx wrote:

 Buzzsaw wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
It depends on how "historically correct" you want to be (for want of a better term). I know it's a fantasy world, but it's still based on ours. Having the lizardmen be 50% (or 90%) Lizardwomen would be just as "correct" since they're entirely made up, after all.

Heck, that would be one of the rare cases where a race of "Lizard-women" (an all female species) would be both cool (well, I tihnk so) and scientifically justifiable.

'Cause, you know, science is very important in sword and sandal games... Science!

My main point being that human factions "should" be 50/50 isn't based on any part of our many, many centuries of rich history made up of killing one another with sharp and blunt objects - and that humans being 50/50 is in many ways more of a stretch than non-humans being 50/50 (or more!) females.

Oh, to be sure. Although this may be an area where crass commercialism may properly outweigh accuracy, as it were.

 Azazelx wrote:

 Buzzsaw wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
It depends on how "historically correct" you want to be (for want of a better term). I know it's a fantasy world, but it's still based on ours. Having the lizardmen be 50% (or 90%) Lizardwomen would be just as "correct" since they're entirely made up, after all.

Heck, that would be one of the rare cases where a race of "Lizard-women" (an all female species) would be both cool (well, I tihnk so) and scientifically justifiable.

'Cause, you know, science is very important in sword and sandal games... Science!

My main point being that human factions "should" be 50/50 isn't based on any part of our many, many centuries of rich history made up of killing one another with sharp and blunt objects - and that humans being 50/50 is in many ways more of a stretch than non-humans being 50/50 (or more!) females.

Well, with Lizardmen/women - I'd just assume they'd be a mix but we'd be unable to tell the 2 genders apart (much like we can't generally tell in Lizards). And while Human history our armies weren't a mix of 50/50 - we weren't surrounded by lizardmen, apemen, the undead, mutants and whatnot. I think pressed from all sides like that EVERYONE gets a weapon handed to them whether they like it or not.

That's my take on "lizard folk", you might not be able to tell the difference

Also, armies being mostly male for some factions makes perfect sense, although a more evenly mixed faction could be cool. The lizardmen being all male would be totally fine with most folks, I think.

 Buzzsaw wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

My main point being that human factions "should" be 50/50 isn't based on any part of our many, many centuries of rich history made up of killing one another with sharp and blunt objects - and that humans being 50/50 is in many ways more of a stretch than non-humans being 50/50 (or more!) females.

Oh, to be sure. Although this may be an area where crass commercialism may properly outweigh accuracy, as it were.

Sure, and to be clear - I don't mind what Tre' does with his models. I was just arguing the point that the poster made back there about "humans should be 50/50" (but not necessarily other races) was a bit ...odd.


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 RiTides wrote:
That's my take on "lizard folk", you might not be able to tell the difference

Also, armies being mostly male for some factions makes perfect sense, although a more evenly mixed faction could be cool. The lizardmen being all male would be totally fine with most folks, I think.

Hence "lizardmen", eh? I agree though - Sexual dimorphism can of course vary wildly, so with very alien races or anthromorphic animals we may well be completely unable to tell the difference. Or it could be huge. Or Tre could just sculpt giant tits on everything.

 tre manor wrote:
I really want to cleave out an all new niche int he market similarly to what Wyrd did for Horror Punk with Malifaux or what Privateer PRess did for Steam Punk or what Wild West Exodus is doing for Weird West

Wild West Exodus is some sort of tortured West Punk amalgam. One step to the side of Malifaux without the class. I'm not a fan of all of the Malifaux artwork, but at least it has class.

Gaaaa...west punk, what a terrible phrase. Throw some rivets on it, make it more spikey, put in a hood...it's like 3.5 D&D art. Why, oh why would someone use a shield with a wildly curving shape and spiky metal riveted to it...why?

Oh, and I think Lizardmen would draw attention as a KS faction.

I think it would be cool with a 50/50 gender human faction. Why would suspense of disbelief stretch to lizardmen and necromancers, but not female fighters?

Just no cheesecake please. Let the females be equipped like their male counterparts and look like confident deadly fighters. Just like the amazing female miniatures Tre already made.

WEll there will not be any cheesecake per se BUT this is a setting where the weather never gets cold so everybody runs around in the bare minimum of clothing. Armor is also nto something you see a lot of.

gender equality...... I did nto mean to insinuate that there won;t be a good mix of female and male models per faction. I was trying to cleverly hint at the composition of one of the factions........... So I guess I will just come out with it.......


The lizardmen are not a faction unto themselves. They are a Thrall race subordinate to an all female cult. They are dumb as rocks because they do nto really need to think for themselves. Their Priestess masters tell them what to do. I figured I could not go wrong combining Amazons and Lizardmen into one package.

Also I did nto mean to insinuate there woudl never be a model for the female lizardfolk. There will be but they will nto be obviously female in the way that humans are....no scaly boobs I think.

They might eventually evolve into a faction unto themselves though. There are elements in the fiction that open possibilities for a lot of variety in the existing factions and races. I won;t be breaking my own rules though so not to worry for consistency in the fluff.

west punk.....yep, it had to happen eventually

Yeah, Amazons and lizardmen in a single faction will likely be popular

...Aww. Okay, the undead still do look cool

Definitely have the amazon / lizardmen faction in the ks.

 tre manor wrote:
WEll there will not be any cheesecake per se BUT this is a setting where the weather never gets cold so everybody runs around in the bare minimum of clothing. Armor is also nto something you see a lot of.

Thats cool! Little clothing is no problem as long as it is consequent! Just hate it when the male of one faction is wearing full plate and are in fighting stance and the females are wearing skimpy clothing and are in a pin up pose...

For shame!

In TRE We Trust jorny!

Amazons with thrall lizardmen definitely sounds like a winner. It kind of reminds me of the Axibalan Empire faction in the Shadowsea skirmish game (by AntiMatter Games); it has female priestesses-sorcerers leading beastmen. It was my favorite faction in the Shadowsea KS they ran; beautiful women leading hideous beasts just seems like a combination that works well (it reminds me of my very happy marriage ).

 Alpharius wrote:
For shame!

In TRE We Trust jorny!

Forgive me! I am a weak soul!

Nearly finished with the first Amazon grunt, the first Empirial grunt ( " armoured " guys ) and the first Barbarian grunt. Now comes the dicey part....parting them for modularity.

That doesn't count as our next 'sneak peek', does it?

Pic - please!

 tre manor wrote:


Nearly finished with the first Amazon grunt, the first Empirial grunt ( " armoured " guys ) and the first Barbarian grunt. Now comes the dicey part....parting them for modularity.

One of the good things about the Mantic trolls are the arm modularity. The shoulder is cut at an angle to the arm muscle (bicep/tricep), and the arms have that same cut area, so you can put any of the different arms onto that torso and it looks fine. I'm trying to find a good picture to illustrate what I mean... you can kinda see it here
http://forum.manticblog.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5308&d=1374715011

Oh yeh I knwo exactly where and how I want to part them for modularity but remember that was the problem in KS 2.....Shrinkage between the joins made them not work properly. That si somethignt hat is difficult to avoid completely.

Not to worry, pics to come later.

Will you be able to have them cast ahead of time, or is there any other way you can avoid having the issue encountered previously with the modularity? Looking forward to seeing how you pull it off

I know this isn't going to be exactly Conan themed, but I went and read some anyhow. Now even more excited for this project. Hoping some pics are coming our way soon, though I understand you're busy with KS1, 2 and commission work!

Just wanted tolet everyone know that the new releases are up in the store....Well new to the store at least. It is all of the Kickstarter 2 and 3 stuff. I apologize for the lack of pics for the orcs and goblins. I am working on those today and I shoudl have them up by tomorrow morning. I am also goign to be trying to get some painted images of all of the new stuff over the upcoming months. That is my biggest priority this year; to improve my marketing materials and advertising presence.

Anyway as per the update from Valint this morning all molds are made and the goblins shoudl finish casting this week. The Njorn shoudl eb done castign early next week and that puts them all in hand sometime next week as well! FINALLY!! Back to business as usual!!

I also have received three boxes from Ed. One of which contained extra gynnade krigare bodies. These will be offered for sale once i can restock the metal weapons bits to go with them. It is not much though so it will probably go quickly. I will post a newsletter before the items go live int eh store and give an exact time of release so you can be ready to nab them when they go live.

Thanks for hanging in there with me through all of this y'all!!

Cheers,

Tre'

http://www.red-box-games.com/

Maybe Tre needs to start another thread - he's updated the webstore with new product from the KSs.

Thanks Czac!

I have finished the first of the Amazons today...... well all except the end fo her spear and her shield. The Atoan Hero is done, I have one of the mutant grunts sculpted, and I have finished the Undead warrior hero as well and I have finished the first of the Empirial grunts.....now I am thinking I will get started on the apemen after all.

I will post a newsletter before the items go live int eh store and give an exact time of release so you can be ready to nab them when they go live.

So where can I sign up to subscribe to this newsletter; I checked the Red Box site but didn't find it. Would like to have a shot at those Helsvakt.

 tre manor wrote:
Thanks Czac!

I have finished the first of the Amazons today...... well all except the end fo her spear and her shield. The Atoan Hero is done, I have one of the mutant grunts sculpted, and I have finished the Undead warrior hero as well and I have finished the first of the Empirial grunts.....now I am thinking I will get started on the apemen after all.

Now I would really want to see some pics of them! Very excited!!

Hmm......looks like I accidentally let one of the faction names slip. The Barbarians are called the Atoa.

How about accidentally uploading a picture or two?