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czakk wrote:
Pics of the orcs are up:

They're very nice. I do find it a bit odd though - Tre's had 3 Kickstarters now to fill out his range of minis - only to completely abandon them to make 6 new factions for his upcoming project.

Was the new project (which I'm super excited about btw) just a jarring bolt of inspiration or something?

*Quoted to keep the pics readily visible.

 tre manor wrote:

I am still on the fence over the lizardman though.

The lizardman looks fething amazing. DO NOT CHANGE IT.

I'm not personally in love with the mutant, but it looks cool. A bit of an old-school Realm of Chaos-Slaves to Darkness 1988 mutant vibe to it. From back when GW was free and openly creative with their designs. In fact, I'd crosspost those to the Oldhgammer guys with their Antiquis Malleum project. They look like they'd fit into that old-school aesthetic amazingly well. Well, depending on their size.

Speaking of that - Tre' can we see the previews posed next to a GW-Warhammer figure, please? I don't even play Warhammer Fantasy anymore, and I'm not in any danger of returning to it, but side-by-sides are incredibly useful for working out if I want to go in or not on various ranges. I'm sure someone can post you a space marine and a GW orc. gak, I'll post you one from Australia if I have to.

I really like the mutant. Has a tars tarkas /barsoom vibe to me. Missing an arm though

Love the mutant and lizardman (still would of preferred snakemen though lol!) Not a fan of the Orcs. Though the rules will be selling the game to me though not the minis!

GW comparisons....I will see what I can do. I really do not like doing it though. These are " smaller " than GW figures. I will just come right out and say it. They are in keeping with my current ranges so they are definitely NOT GW sized. But I guess a side by side would not hurt.

Well the good thing about Mutants is that they are each different from the last. These won;t have much in the way of uniformity.

" Tre's had 3 Kickstarters now to fill out his range of minis - only to completely abandon them to make 6 new factions for his upcoming project. "

Well, I am not abandoning them. I am just pursuing another product line that I have REALLY been wanting to get to for a VERY long time. I am going to create everythign needed for this game to get off the ground and then launch the kickstarter and see what develops. If it funds well then I will pour every ounce of effort I have into expanding it immediately. I won;t ever abandon the existing fantasy line and I do have plans to expand it as well. This new project is one that I have wanting to get to for a VERY long time. I am very passionate about it and I think it cover a gap in the industry that needs covering.

not to mention I have been at the traditional fantasy stuff or 7 years now..... I think I need a break from it for a while. Recharge the batteries for the genre.

overtyrant wrote:
Love the mutant and lizardman (still would of preferred snakemen though lol!) Not a fan of the Orcs.

Are those Orcs part of this new upcoming game and line of miniatures though?

And...

overtyrant wrote:
Though the rules will be selling the game to me though not the minis!

Really?

I mean, I hope the game is good, and a lot of fun too, but...

...really?

 tre manor wrote:
GW comparisons....I will see what I can do. I really do not like doing it though. These are " smaller " than GW figures. I will just come right out and say it. They are in keeping with my current ranges so they are definitely NOT GW sized. But I guess a side by side would not hurt.

We know that, but it's incredibly useful as a consumer to know just how big or small they are - and GW's stuff is ubiquitous, so it makes for the best size comparatives. The other thing is that your different ranges/races have their own scales in them, so even knowing how big your Dwarves, Elves and Helsvakt are (since I own a fair few of each) doesn't help me with that Lizardman or mutant. And the Lizardman looks like he could well be the size of a GW Kroxigor, due the the amount of detail packed into him.

Well the good thing about Mutants is that they are each different from the last. These won;t have much in the way of uniformity.

I really hope the muties are large enough to fit in with the Oldhammer project. I could see you selling a pile more of them to the Oldhammer guys. The aesthetic of that one figure looks right on the money.

 Alpharius wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
Love the mutant and lizardman (still would of preferred snakemen though lol!) Not a fan of the Orcs.

Are those Orcs part of this new upcoming game and line of miniatures though?

And...

overtyrant wrote:
Though the rules will be selling the game to me though not the minis!

Really?

I mean, I hope the game is good, and a lot of fun too, but...

...really?

The orcs are part of the existing line - they are up in the store now.

The orcs are part of the Standard Fantasy, this new project is the Alien Fantasy.

Good points Az. And as far as the Mutants go, this one at least is taller than my humans are usually. I do nto knwo how big the Kroxigors, but this lizardman is bigger than my humans also. Not by an incredible amount but bigger none the less. This mutant also is one of the lesser variety, there are bigger mutants planned.

 Alpharius wrote:
I mean, I hope the game is good, and a lot of fun too, but...

...really?

I think that sentiment is more just because the figures won't really be compatible with other systems, so unless you're buying them just as painting project, you'll be pretty locked in to Tre's system. Which isn't a bad thing necessarily, of course, just what probably leads to a comment like that. It's also what would make me a little hesitant to dive in here since I would be buying these figures for this system only... but if the system is good, that's no problem

Yeah, I was trying to be funny - that may have come across as harsher then intended!

However, Tre seems like a guy open to beta testing the rules, and making changes where necessary.

I'm not too worried about the rules, and I know the miniatures will be great!

Since the mutant and lizardmen are not human a lot of the size/scale problems fade away

it's only when your mixing the same things (eg humand & humans) the real problems start

I'm really a huge fan of that Lizardman Tre (and the mutant as well), good work.

I'm really curious to see the Empirial grunt as well. I love the more proportional scale you sculpt in, and would love to have some armored figures in that scale, but I think making them armored in a love tech fantasy setting would be hard to do and yet make it unique. It seems lately all I see coming out as far as armored fantasy figures are Dark Age influenced (Viking/ Saxon influences are done to death , and it seems the "Men-at-Arms" type in quilted/ leather/ layered armor is becoming very common), Ancients influenced (Romans, Greeks, etc - Godslayer) or absurd plate armor that is covered in way too many spikes, buckles, and skull motifs. I think full helmets would be neat as well, it's something a lot of companies have been getting away from, but having "faceless" armored minions tends to make them more imposing.

I'm really interested in this project Tre, and looking forward to it!

I hope people will find the armour of the Empirials interesting. Actually the Empirial grunt I have sculpted now is not armoured at all as I wanted to establish the base line of lesser grunts first and then move up to the armoured troops. The more I work on this the more it begins to verge on an Army scale game. I am trying to steer away from it though.

No need to worry about the Empirials looking like Vikings or Saxons, or much else identifiable from traditional fantasy for that matter. I am trying to take every opportunity to give this project it's own identity. I want people to see any given figure from this line and say " Oh, that is a "such and such " model. " not " Oh that is a weird looking Viking/ Greek/ Knight " or whatever.

As for the rules. I have the basics figured out but I will be crowdsourcing the beta testing to the KS backers. So it will be thoroughly tested and changed as neccessary to make a great game. I am hoping that I might be able to afford to hire professional help in that effort as well.

As for the scale. I think with the development of 3d printing you are going to start seeing a LOT more true scale stuff than " heroic " stuff. At some point the community needs to move on from the dated methods and limitations of the 90's fashions of miniature sculpture.


The Mutant stands 35 mm tall in his pose and the Lizardman is 32 mm tall posed if that gives you any better idea as to the scale. The Mutant's feet barely fit within a 25 mm base and the Lizardman's feet are pretty much the same distance apart. So the Mutant would probably be 40-42mm tall standing upright and the Lizardman would probably be about 38 to 40 mm tall standing upright.


I am currently working on a different version of the lizardman mostly because I am not all together happy with the skin texture on this first attempt. I am not ditching this one unless I come up with something else that I feel is far superior.

 tre manor wrote:


I hope people will find the armour of the Empirials interesting. Actually the Empirial grunt I have sculpted now is not armoured at all as I wanted to establish the base line of lesser grunts first and then move up to the armoured troops. The more I work on this the more it begins to verge on an Army scale game. I am trying to steer away from it though.

No need to worry about the Empirials looking like Vikings or Saxons, or much else identifiable from traditional fantasy for that matter. I am trying to take every opportunity to give this project it's own identity. I want people to see any given figure from this line and say " Oh, that is a "such and such " model. " not " Oh that is a weird looking Viking/ Greek/ Knight " or whatever.

That's really awesome Tre, I'm definitely glad you are trying to give the game it's own identity (historical influences are nice and all, but I'm at a point I'd like to see something more unique), and I'm anxious to see how the Empirials turn out.

Personally I would really like to see a move away from the heroic scale in the industry, that's not to say I don't enjoy larger scale models, but heroic scale tends to make the heads/hands/weapons extremely disproportionate and look kind of silly. I've been really impressed with the RBG models I do own, and hopefully at some point I'll be able to add some more to my collection.

 tre manor wrote:

95% finished........

9 undead warriors

1 undead Warrior hero

1 cultist acolyte ( there will be two in the set. )

1 necromancer priestess

1 greater Demon

Should be done with all of these by tomorrow afternoon. Then on to the barbarian starter set.

just noticed the Demon at the bottom of the undead list. I'm hoping it'll not conform to the usual stereotype of horns and cloven feet? Im hoping for something much more alien.

It is totally NOT Bovine by any stretch of the imagination.

My idea of demon is a figure of a much more predatory nature.

One of the things I like about Tre's miniature scale is they work great with Dwarven Forge products. This is an added bonus for me and my gaming. When a party is moving down a darken hallway the miniatures don't look out of scale with the terrain. So, when does the next KS start? I'm in the Dwarven Forge KS right now but it won't keep me from pledging yours.

Thanks Ken!

Well it all depends. I think that between DF's caverns CMoN's Arcadia, MC's Mercs, and next up SP's SDE expansion it may not be a good time to try to dive in to an all new IP. So, for now, I am aiming at mid April to early May. Maybe sooner maybe later depending upon what transpires between now and then.

In that intervening time I will be working on getting as many sculpts finished and mastered as I am able to manage / afford and getting as much of the marketing materials and bells and whistles ready as possible. Not to mention writing fluff and rules.

I want this to be BIG so I am going to do the work to make sure that happens.

"When you're ready" is probably a better yardstick, because there's always going to be some big blockbuster launching on KS!

I've restricted my pledging on KSers. There's just a very few products I support now. I added up how much I had spent last year and almost had a heart attack. It's real easy to get carried away with the pledging. Red Box is of course one of the companies I support.

 Alpharius wrote:
"When you're ready" is probably a better yardstick, because there's always going to be some big blockbuster launching on KS!

Good advice. Launch when you have all your base sculpts finished and everything ready to go. This latest norse KS seems to be going smoothly because you had everything ready to go at the start.

And try to launch so you get a 1st, 15th and 30th in your KS period so people have 2-3 pay cycles to pledge.

czakk wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
"When you're ready" is probably a better yardstick, because there's always going to be some big blockbuster launching on KS!

Good advice. Launch when you have all your base sculpts finished and everything ready to go. This latest norse KS seems to be going smoothly because you had everything ready to go at the start.

And try to launch so you get a 1st, 15th and 30th in your KS period so people have 2-3 pay cycles to pledge.

More excellent advice there!

End of april, start of may sounds good. Any idea on the ks length?

Thanks Ken.

Tis true that there does always seem to be a monster KS going.

Good advice to jut launch when ready but to aim for the 1st 15th, and 30th.

As to length....well that really depends on what is ready to go when I launch. I would like to try to keep the campaign short and sweet though. Definitely no more than 30 days but I would prefer between 20 and 25 days.

I have really high hopes for this KS, I hope it goes really smoothly for you Tre.

The mutant is pretty cool, though the concept is less exciting to me than the lizardman one. I like the general size, shape and pose of the lizard, but agree that his skin texture could look a little more "real" perhaps, and I like the shape of his head but not the over-hanging fangs, I think they look kinda goofy. It's still one of the better lizardman sculpts I've seen, but I'd prefer fangs that are visible if they are bared or if the mouth is open, but not if the mouth is at rest as it is there.

Hope feedback is what you're looking for anyhow, I would still pledge for a lizard that looked like the one shown, those are just my thoughts.

I think a three-faction KS would likely spur me to try and get everything, and April/May gives me time to put aside a couple of hundred Euro for it. I'm also excited to see the orcs with Two Handers, which I have pledged for in KS2 but hadn't seen yet!

To be fair if there was a nice pledge level for the three inital warbands thats where id jump on aswell.

I'd have to see the barbarians first tho im rather interested at this point to hear more about the ape men, seeing the mutants makes me think they're going to be very cool. (Im kind of hoping for morlocks)

Im going to have to see about picking up some exisiting minis, anybody know who's the best uk stockist?

Thanks Da Boss, and yes that is for the feedback as well as the confidence.

There will be a pledge level to buy all three factions starter sets and all three faction army sets. I am thinkign that there will be a pledge level for each different faction starter and then a pledge level for each faction army set and then a pledge level for all three starters and all three army sets.

I will try to get a pic of one of the barbarians up sometime this week.

Morlocks.......probably nto morlocks btu cool none the less.

Any indication what the price point for those sets would be? (and what's the diff between an army set and a faction starter?)

I thought this was going to be skirmish level ie 15 fig max. Not sure I could afford an all metal army. Skirmish fine, not so much army level. Looking forward to hearing about the rules, I would obviously need to hear something about these before the end of the KS.