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Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
True RiTides, the thing is if you do not back the KS and go the retail route there is a fair chance that you will get the initial retail releases before a lot of backers. There are certainly people with multiple "early birds" that they will drop too.

Interesting, I got my Kickstarter Dreadball a month before retail, or is this in reference to something else?

 judgedoug wrote:

Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
True RiTides, the thing is if you do not back the KS and go the retail route there is a fair chance that you will get the initial retail releases before a lot of backers. There are certainly people with multiple "early birds" that they will drop too.

Interesting, I got my Kickstarter Dreadball a month before retail, or is this in reference to something else?

I got my DreadBall Kickstarter about a month after retail.

I am still waiting on my Deadzone stuff, which most backers got in November and which went retail on February 14th.

 Zweischneid wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
True RiTides, the thing is if you do not back the KS and go the retail route there is a fair chance that you will get the initial retail releases before a lot of backers. There are certainly people with multiple "early birds" that they will drop too.

Interesting, I got my Kickstarter Dreadball a month before retail, or is this in reference to something else?

I got my DreadBall Kickstarter about a month after retail.

I am still waiting on my Deadzone stuff, which most backers got in November and which went retail on February 14th.

strange, they started shipping DB KS a month early back in Nov 2012 and I got mine well before the non-retail-store-KS-backers retail outlets. I also had the first wave early bird, was yours the second wave?

 judgedoug wrote:


strange, they started shipping DB KS a month early back in Nov 2012 and I got mine well before the non-retail-store-KS-backers retail outlets. I also had the first wave early bird, was yours the second wave?

I had a Cheerleader pledge in the original DB KS (2x Striker).

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
How many players do you actually need for an average game?

I thought it was 8, no?

I would imagine most games we play are going to be one offs for the time being.

I'm wondering if Extreme will have a kick off style set of rules, just to get things rolling and ease new players into the game.

Dreadball teams have 14 'slots' in though you'd usually leave at least one or two empty to drop an MvP into

but only 6 on the pitch at once (so either have more or re-cycle)

Put in for a $145 EB, I can always get rid of the pledge if I need to, but with the way KS works, if I'm interested, there's no reason not to. And those Asterian babes are gorgeous models. Plus Blaine is a sponsor, and I'm a sucker for Blaine models.

I got in on $140 EB and am starting to see some value already.

A $10 Chovar for Deadzone is perfect, wanted one of those anyway, but not in metal.

The crates sprue will be great for deadzone too as cover and scatter terrain.

So, already my pledge is 1/7th full of deadzone-useful stuff before even looking at the DBX stuff.

I can't believe how quickly this has exploded, even Deadzone only raised $177k on day 1, this is going to totally smash that figure.

@SS- Do you think the Chovar will scale well with the Deadzone ones? DB stuff seems to be smaller than DZ minis and size is an important part of that game for LOS.

I have no idea, but imagine it'll be okay.. the DZ one isn't that big anyway.

The free agents are looking very nice at the moment too, I love seeing oddball aliens of all sorts.

Anyone field a Chovar yet in DZ?

I'm wondering how a team of them might go, with a bit of fire support from one of the other factions (or just a bunch of other mercs once we get the compendium).

I think this can get really nuts if they end up giving us DZ decks at some point, especially with some of those alien MVPs, it could get pretty silly and violent on the battlefield.

I might need more plant creatures in that case!

So were approaching the same number of backers we had on the last Dreadball KS but considerably less money going in. Theyre gonna end up far behind DB 1 at this point. So they need to really step it up for me to stay in at $350.

Fairly sure at this point that 18 minis per team are likely to be added to Frenzy (16 + 2 prones)

Mr.Church13 wrote:
So were approaching the same number of backers we had on the last Dreadball KS but considerably less money going in. Theyre gonna end up far behind DB 1 at this point. So they need to really step it up for me to stay in at $350.

Um. The money will come towards of the end of the KS.

That is usually where the "final-day-rush" comes from. You spend the first 95% of the campaign getting people on board. You get them excited for the showdown. You drop a bunch of "add-to-pledge" updates in during the final day or two.

That's the "Reaper-formula", and it worked well for Mantic too. Look at how much DreadBall/Deadzone, etc.. made during their final days. That is when people up their pledge. That is when people who pledge now will have started to think of their pledge already as "sunk costs" and be open to "just 10 or 20 more only make it more awesome".

Mr.Church13 wrote:
So were approaching the same number of backers we had on the last Dreadball KS but considerably less money going in. Theyre gonna end up far behind DB 1 at this point. So they need to really step it up for me to stay in at $350.

This thing started 5 or so hours ago. There will be PLENTY of time for them to "step it up for you".

I'm just worried because of the curve being so off this time. We were half the teams in this amount last DB KS.

Mr.Church13 wrote:
I'm just worried because of the curve being so off this time. We were half the teams in this time last DB KS.

Thats fair, but Mantic is also very good at adjusting themselves to whats happening in the KS. Mars Attacks was a prime example. They will get there.

Thinking about it, I'm inclined to agree.

I mean, it's 2/3rds of the way to Kings of War's final total already, in the first 6 hours or so... Which is awesome.

But, there's what? An extra 20 new models, max, to show for it?

 judgedoug wrote:

Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
True RiTides, the thing is if you do not back the KS and go the retail route there is a fair chance that you will get the initial retail releases before a lot of backers. There are certainly people with multiple "early birds" that they will drop too.

Interesting, I got my Kickstarter Dreadball a month before retail, or is this in reference to something else?

Reference to the KOW initial retail release (trolls etc, I think that trumped every backer), some Loka backers and some Deadzone backers who have only just gotten their wave 1 some 3 months after the retail release. I was not trying to score points, but retail buyers getting their stuff before backers of Mantic KS's is hardly an unusual occurrence.

Edit: Ninja'd by Zweischneid and his account of this happening.

Besides Frenzy, I think Dreadball's growing reputation is feeding the explosive first day for this one. I think there are a lot of people who missed the Dreadball KS and want to get in while the getting is good on this second go around.

I'm mostly in this to hunt for Deadzone-usable things, but if there are enough of those included in the $150 pledge level, I'll be happy to stay there and pick up a new game too.

I know Mantic "adjusts" their Stretch Goal monetary intervals to fit the flow of pledging, but if this campaign does continue to outperform their previous ones at this level - meaning it rakes in well over what Deadzone made (breaks 2 million?) - it's going to look very odd for Mantic if the $150 pledge level is getting about the same amount of stuff as it did for Mars Attacks.

Mini count is looking pretty good so far... 56 minis in Rampage after the next couple of goals.

Original Dreadball KS finished with 103 minis in Striker so hopefully they can match that.

True. But I have no idea what the point is of 16 Convicts and 16 Asterians, unless they change the rules fairly dramatically.

If you can truly mix and match, you'd arguably need less than you need in regular DreadBall. Also, I've personally always found it easier to just flip a miniature, and not use a prone marker, not least to not get different players confused.

Waiting for a game-play video, but those are a lot of miniatures with "limited use (e.g. testing colour-schemes, etc..)" so far.

On the upside, both seem cool teams.

 Zweischneid wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:
So were approaching the same number of backers we had on the last Dreadball KS but considerably less money going in. Theyre gonna end up far behind DB 1 at this point. So they need to really step it up for me to stay in at $350.

Um. The money will come towards of the end of the KS.

That is usually where the "final-day-rush" comes from. You spend the first 95% of the campaign getting people on board. You get them excited for the showdown. You drop a bunch of "add-to-pledge" updates in during the final day or two.

That's the "Reaper-formula", and it worked well for Mantic too. Look at how much DreadBall/Deadzone, etc.. made during their final days. That is when people up their pledge. That is when people who pledge now will have started to think of their pledge already as "sunk costs" and be open to "just 10 or 20 more only make it more awesome".

But folks with that $350/$365 pledge are not gonna have as much temptation to add to that pledge as it is supposed to be close to all inclusive. A chunk of this early funding is those pledges.

 Zweischneid wrote:
Waiting for a game-play video, but those are a lot of miniatures with "limited use (e.g. testing colour-schemes, etc..)" so far.

And a lot of duplicate models. Adding in 2 new teams would have been a lot more interesting than doubling the size of the original ones with more duplicates.

 Vermonter wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
Waiting for a game-play video, but those are a lot of miniatures with "limited use (e.g. testing colour-schemes, etc..)" so far.

And a lot of duplicate models. Adding in 2 new teams would have been a lot more interesting than doubling the size of the original ones with more duplicates.

I'm sure we'll see New Sculpts! to replace some of those as a future stretch goal.

Perhaps Mantic is spreading out the stretch goal freebies so they don't wind up in a "not enough money to do resculpts" for the $5k Kings of War stretches or the "not enough money for a restic production run so gotta do this guy in metal" for Dreadball boosters or some Deadzone characters

either way it's like a few hours in an I'm quite satisfied with the $140. this'll be one of those where I don't pay attention and at the end of I'm surprised by the amount of free stuff I'll be getting (like Deadzone)

 CptJake wrote:


But folks with that $350/$365 pledge are not gonna have as much temptation to add to that pledge as it is supposed to be close to all inclusive. A chunk of this early funding is those pledges.

I'll bet you a Chovar that there will be "not-even-included-in-Frenzy" add-ons towards the end.

It's less about the amount pledged, and more about putting time between "the first pledge" and the "add-ons" to make it seem like separate purchases.

Would be interesting to see the data, but I would guess that people willing to spend more now, will ultimately also be willing to spend more towards the end. A, because these are the "completists" and B), because they've "already invested so much", a little more "won't hurt".

Yeah, I kinda agree... From Dreadball, I've found the double-sized teams to be well... Kinda pointless. - Except to leave me with even more models to assemble!

I've yet to use a single one of my 'alternate poses' models in an actual game. - The few I've assembled anyhow.

 Zweischneid wrote:
I'll bet you a Chovar that there will be "not-even-included-in-Frenzy" add-ons towards the end.

If the last 2 projects are anything to go by, there'll be some bits and pieces from Antenocitis that fit that category

Something else I forgot to mention... this marauder:



.. is bloody nice. The only marauder sculpt from Mantic that I've seen so far and really liked.

Looks brutal and ready to smash some faces in, not comedy goofball. Proportions are good, sculpting is good.

 Compel wrote:
Yeah, I kinda agree... From Dreadball, I've found the double-sized teams to be well... Kinda pointless. - Except to leave me with even more models to assemble!

I've yet to use a single one of my 'alternate poses' models in an actual game. - The few I've assembled anyhow.

I agree that more models isn't really helpful, but these are all going to be delivered pre-assembled (like Loka and Mars Attacks):

The miniatures are made in multiple pieces, but provided fully assembled (unless stated otherwise), and made from highly detailed grey plastic. The material is a type of PVC commonly used in board games such as Fantasy Flight Games’ Gears of War and our very own Loka. This allows us to have a high level of detail whilst keeping the dynamic poses required for such a fast-paced game, and of course making them very affordable as you would expect from Mantic.

Note that this material is not the harder PVC commonly known as “restic”, and is not sprued hard plastic.

The bases, which come unattached to the figures, are made from hard plastic.