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 scarletsquig wrote:
I'm kinda glad to see 3 week kickstarters personally, maintaining a 6-week thread gets a bit dull.

6 week projects should be for the new/small indie companies doing their first or second project, who need that full space of time to drum up media coverage, community interest and enough funds to hit their goal in the likely event that they aren't a surprise hit.

Everyone knows who Mantic are now, knows their games, they have widespread community presence and the media waiting for their announcements, if they can't fund in 4 weeks then the project was a bust, because everyone will know about it the day it launches. The same goes for Reaper now, and CMON. I think the shorter projects also result in a smaller cut to KS as well.

@squall oh noes now I done did it

I might use them for that purpose as well, get them some scifi guns and use them as thugs or escaped prisoners etc. I'm sure the team would actually be very fun to play, strategically triggering the bomb collars to injure opposing players etc, I'm just not overly fussed about the models... yet.

@Grimdork: Nah, I still feel that they look like something that captain Kirk would hook up with! ;-)

Anyhow, I feel that they are an massive improvement, both design-, concept-, and sculpt wise to the non-eldar of Dreadball.

Mantic wrote:1) They are still multipart models, but assembled for you.

What the feth is wrong with these idiots? The less they have their Chinese contractors do, the better, because the less opportunities they'll have to feth everything up. Even Studio McVey - a manufacturer with a far better reputation for quality than Mantic - still sent out misassembled miniatures.

In fact, it would be even better if they were left on whatever passes for a sprue for this material, rather than having said underpaid minions rip bits off our miniatures.

Well... at what wouldn't Kirk attempt to take a whack? But yeah, I like the models more. They're a bit more cheesecake of course, and probably not terribly suitable for the look for the warpath faction as a whole... but for a sports game.. they can get away with it.

<quote>What the feth is wrong with these idiots?</quote>

If you don't like it why don't you just go elsewhere and stop bothering everyone.

"These idiots" have opened the door to board gamers who are put off by assembling fiddly one-pose miniatures, expanding their potential community and commercial reach.

Yeah, really idiotic

I wish, for the kickstarter at least, that they had the option to have a few more miniatures but not have anything come pre-assembled. For retail, it makes a lot of sense to have the game ready to play out of the box (so coloured, preassembled plastic), but I think there's a lot of miniature gamers (eg, longtime mantic customers) who will be part of the kickstarter and will want unassembled models.

Hopefully most of the models are single piece, with only a few multipart models to make quality control easier.

@Black nexus, I've used the ignore button only twice on dakka, but those two times have made my participation in these mantic related threads so much better... A couple more have yet to rear their heads and another click or two and I can happily peruse updates here and elsewhere without the same blah blah. Of course other people will still be responding to them, but oh well

I also hope the sculpts are mostly one piece decker_cky, less chance of poor assembly or me wishing I could have done it myself that way. I really do like the boardgamey out of the box aspect to this though, I have too many painting modeling projects as it is, just buying something to play would be nice.

I honestly don't mind the preassembled; it helps go for that "You can play right out of the box" situation which is often lost nowadays. Imagine if you will if sometime in the future if Dreadball and similar were available in toy stores or the toy aisle of Wal-mart, a throwback to the days of HeroQuest and the like. That's where preassembled kicks ass, because you can buy it for a kid (who, depending on age, might not be able to use a hobby knife or whose parents might be too busy to assemble it for him) and literally play it without having to spend time fiddling around with parts to get up and running.

if you're going for a full boxed game, you need pre-assembled stuff .. you're target isn't going to just be wargamers like us, you're going after the boardgamer crowd too. So I think pre-assembled but not pre-painted is the best way to go to appeal to the widest range of customers. I'd prefer GW style plastic model kits, cuz that's what I like, but for a full boxed game going the pre-assembled route is the smartest way to go if you wanna make any money.

And since this stuff comes in various colors... works out pretty well.

 Black Nexus wrote:
<quote>What the feth is wrong with these idiots?</quote>

If you don't like it why don't you just go elsewhere and stop bothering everyone.

"These idiots" have opened the door to board gamers who are put off by assembling fiddly one-pose miniatures, expanding their potential community and commercial reach.

Yeah, really idiotic

Who do you think started my round of "the ignore game" today.

The Internet has given everyone the option to have a voice. Unfortunately, some people shouldn't have one.

 GrimDork wrote:
Well... at what wouldn't Kirk attempt to take a whack? But yeah, I like the models more. They're a bit more cheesecake of course, and probably not terribly suitable for the look for the warpath faction as a whole... but for a sports game.. they can get away with it.

I'm not that fond of the cheesecake aspect either. But I hope they continue to move the Asterians away from space elves, painting them blue and giving them a third gender in the background is a positive step in that direction.

I think that pre assembled miniatures is an obvious move to make for Mantic, as long as they make sure the factory does everything properly.

New sculpts for the main box teams on the way.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/dreadball-xtreme/posts/756130

More variety of convicts is always a plus.

Those counters look like the DZ ones so I'm not going near them.

No biggie. They're an add-on and a way to increase the "Value" of the "all-in" pledge level..

I'm all for reassembled minis, every other company that's done this have had great results and think its a step in the right direction.
Also, can we please have an end to the "ignore patrol" you guys are just as bad at making the threads unreadable.

I think I've brought it up two.. maybe three times across all of these threads. Of course add in this post to respond to yours so don't feel like you aren't contributing at least a little. I am done though, button pushed as necessary, wont be making mention of it again if it can be helped.

On topic, I am glad of the extra poses. Seems like one of those 'fake stretches' that probably should have been in there to begin with (I mean, they already have painted pieces, where the first few stretch goals are already into sketches), but still. Makes me like the convicts better for sure.

Preassembled is also positive IMO, probably one of my favorite things about this right now. Especially with colored plastic and colored bases.. very good move for board gamers.

Will make a solid pass on the counters, people seem to like them but I've been fine with cardboard so far.

Extra poses is essential, 16 models in 3 poses is... undesirable. Multi part plastic would of course be best but what can you do, so long as the quantity and style is enough to still give them value.

The counters are part of my current pledge so... I guess I still get them ; p I really like the idea of acrylic counters over cardboard, I just hope the quality is improved a bit : / Can definitely see why people are so miffed with them, the quality just didn't justify the price. Since I have the DZ and DB ones already, nerd-OCD wouldn't allow me to skip these anyway.

If 16 players is the norm for this version, how many casualties should we expect per game?

I think there was something about having your extra guys run out onto the pitch via no rules too. Curious to see the beta rules soon.

It might not even be so much that you need 16 players on your team, so much as you want more choice in what players to take. Do you want to run guard heavy? Striker heavy? Pure jacks? You need spares to do this stuff.

 Yonan wrote:
It might not even be so much that you need 16 players on your team, so much as you want more choice in what players to take. Do you want to run guard heavy? Striker heavy? Pure jacks? You need spares to do this stuff.

This is what I assume to be the case as well.

 Yonan wrote:
Extra poses is essential, 16 models in 3 poses is... undesirable. Multi part plastic would of course be best but what can you do, so long as the quantity and style is enough to still give them value.

The counters are part of my current pledge so... I guess I still get them ; p I really like the idea of acrylic counters over cardboard, I just hope the quality is improved a bit : / Can definitely see why people are so miffed with them, the quality just didn't justify the price. Since I have the DZ and DB ones already, nerd-OCD wouldn't allow me to skip these anyway.

I agree with you on the additional poses being welcome. Too few poses is the reason I never backed that CMON fantasy football game by Eric Lang, and would have made me much more likely to pull my pledge in this one as I essentially did there. (I'm going to italicise that every time I type it in this thread, regardless of context.)

I'm not fussed about the counters. I won't be getting them, but I guess it makes (unexciting) sense for them to be a top-tier freebie. I'm not even that fussed about the fake stretch goals of alternate poses, as long as it's a small stretch. ($5k, isn't it?) I'm guessing that if the figures are pre-assembled but also in simple boardgame plastic, they should be possible to "unassemble" for those of us with a little modelling skill (ie, all of us here) to repose. Being BG plastic, which I'll assume is relatively soft, a sharp modelling knife and a simple pin is another way to repose or limb-swap figures to make them more individual.

It'll also help to have extras for when you want to make deadzone-friendly conversions Instead of disabling one of your DBX teams, you can just nab a few spares you may not even have used anyway

 AlexHolker wrote:

Mantic wrote:1) They are still multipart models, but assembled for you.

What the feth is wrong with these idiots? The less they have their Chinese contractors do, the better, because the less opportunities they'll have to feth everything up. Even Studio McVey - a manufacturer with a far better reputation for quality than Mantic - still sent out misassembled miniatures.

In fact, it would be even better if they were left on whatever passes for a sprue for this material, rather than having said underpaid minions rip bits off our miniatures.

These "Idiots" finally realized that dreadball is a boardgame and decided to treat it as such, I see nothing wrong with that and I would love to see the original one get the same treatment.

Well second day figures in for Kicktraq... this one has had a huge first day, but a smaller second day than Deadzone.

I think these things are going to become increasingly skewed towards the first day and the last 3 days, people know what the deal is with them and make a big pledge day 1 then come back to it in the last few days.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Well second day figures in for Kicktraq... this one has had a huge first day, but a smaller second day than Deadzone.

I think these things are going to become increasingly skewed towards the first day and the last 3 days, people know what the deal is with them and make a big pledge day 1 then come back to it in the last few days.

With Dreadball and Deadzone people already knew the first four factions before the campaign even started. Xtreme is at $280,000 and we still only know three. I think that might be a contributing factor.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Well second day figures in for Kicktraq... this one has had a huge first day, but a smaller second day than Deadzone.

I think these things are going to become increasingly skewed towards the first day and the last 3 days, people know what the deal is with them and make a big pledge day 1 then come back to it in the last few days.

Well, that's the thing when they front-load it so hard with Early Birds. Plus if you miss out on an EB spot there's really no reason to jump on board till the end. I considered getting a $350 spot just in case, but there were 5 left when I went to log in. When I got on they were all gone, so I didn't bother at all (and I won't for more than $350). Even that would have left me with a $150 and a $350 needing to drop one or the other...