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 scarletsquig wrote:
Mars attacks was the wildcard with its credit system... if you had any interest in deadzone terrain, that was the place to get it while getting a ton of MA stuff for almost nothing as a side order (68 minis + terrain/mat/rules etc. for $15).


I don't speak KOW, so I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but it sounds good.

I'm using common sense (and taking into consideration all the ebay dumping that will occur after this KS ships), and for the amount of things I'd want to sell and the amount of return I'd need to beat my current Rampage pledge, I think I could beat retail, discount retail, kickstarter, AND other ebay sellers with my prices. So I'm considering it. (It helps that I snagged an EB1 Frenzy with a quick trigger finger.)

If they don't upgrade the rest of the sculpts for the rest of the teams, I'll go back to Rampage, though. Too many duplicates for my taste. At Rampage the impact is minimized with the Plague and Mechanites, and you get 4 different sculpts if you go Rebs already, so that only leaves the 6th season as a 3-sculpt team. Not bad.

As for Mars Attacks, you're right, and I'm glad I had a similar pledge. If you're speaking of Invaders Arrive, though, no mat was included, just the paper one.

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Honestly, that's half the attraction to KS projects. I'm in the black at this point with money, and I've kept over half the models.
   
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 Vermonter wrote:
 AlexHolker wrote:
 scarletsquig wrote:
Of course, Frenzy is now worth over $1000, easy.

For questionable values of "worth".

It's worth less because nobody pays RRP.
It's worth less because nobody likes every team and every MVP.
It's worth less because of the very real danger that Mantic will botch the execution of some of the sculpts.
It's worth less because you're paying eight months in advance.


I like your blunt honesty. Basically what it's worth to me is what I could recoup by selling bits of it, either on forums like this one or ebay. My expectations as to value and demand are modest, as is my ultimate goal. Basically I'm wondering if getting Frenzy and selling some would be a better way to go and cost about the same (depending obviously on how much you sell) as getting Rampage and adding on several items. I'm probably framing this in too nebulous terms, but I'm wondering as a general approach what luck people may have had with that approach on other Mantic campaigns? Go for the high bid, sell what you don't like, end up getting more than the "sweet spot" + add-ons for about the same price? Far-fetched? Commonplace?


Yeah, I agree with Alex also. I'm really not the kind of guy who can be arsed trying to ebay stuff and dealing with all the bs and hassle of doing so, so it's only "worth" as much as what you (or I) actually like is worth. Looking over my DB1 stuff, a lot of it is okay, some is crap, much was disappointing, but none of it really excites me enough to have done anything with it to date (though I only just got the last of it a couple of weeks ago - which also colours my opinion. I also think Alex is being generous with an 8-month timeline, and given the way that Mantic operate these days it'll be at least a year before people have all their stuff - through a likely combination of wave shipping and Mantic feth ups. And we know there will be multiple waves because they're pretty much just admitted as much in their text about the "greatest game EVAR" pamphlet:


This booklet will be an in-game keepsake and will fold out into a full size poster. It will only be ever available to backers from this campaign and will be a one print item - only on the first survey.


Anyway, I got a bill dropped in my lap for $400 yesterday, so jokes aside, I had to pull my pledge down to $1. So I'll see how it looks down the road when the pledge manager comes out...

   
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 Azazelx wrote:
Yeah, I agree with Alex also. I'm really not the kind of guy who can be arsed trying to ebay stuff and dealing with all the bs and hassle of doing so, so it's only "worth" as much as what you (or I) actually like is worth.


Good pick up on the first survey mention in the pamphlet. I'd actually be happier if they did do a second survey - then I can wait to order things until after more of the finished models have been shown.

I can be arsed to ebay stuff - I've done it successfully a number of times - but only when it's parceled into a scant few large, strategic bundles to minimize the amount of bs and hassle I have to put up with. No putting up individual teams and MVPs and managing boatloads of small sales and mailings. If I become convinced that numerous small sales will be required to make the return worthwhile, then pledging Frenzy isn't worth my time, and I'll be lowering my pledge accordingly.

Looks like we might scrape out $10,000 today, which I'm pretty sure makes it Mantic's worst performance ever on a closing weekend Friday by a large margin. The problem with "I think it's a great deal as it is" is that it doesn't convince people on the outside looking in who haven't already bought in because they don't agree. As for the people already in, we have to hope that they - particularly the Frenzy pledgers - all share the "already satisfied" mindset if the total doesn't start rising faster. I understand Mantic have good competition right now, but they are clearly not competing with it very well. I do think that if they don't reverse course tomorrow with a strong update that we could see stagnation turn into implosion. If nothing else, they'll need to reassure everyone happy with where things stand now that they won't lose any stretch goals already achieved.

I don't know what all of this boils down to. Maybe Dreadball Xtreme is ultimately a niche game that just found its natural limit? I'll be interested to read any post-game analyses posted here after it's all done late Sunday.


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 Vermonter wrote:


I don't know what all of this boils down to. Maybe Dreadball Xtreme is ultimately a niche game that just found its natural limit? I'll be interested to read any post-game analyses posted here after it's all done late Sunday.



Maybe?

I think that these are the kinds of lessons that Mantic needs to learn too...
   
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The other thing to be aware of is that there's guaranteed to be a large last-minute churn as people sitting on a Frenzy and a Rampage choose to stick with one or the other. That will equate to funding drops that probably won't go into the red for the day, but keep the overall daily totals of money pledged and "new backers" a lot lower.

I do agree though, they're only just getting around to fulfilling what they've kept saying frenzy would be in terms of teams all along - and I also agree that they should have filled it out with teams earlier and then started throwing the MVPs at it en masse afterwards.

   
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I think most of the double guys were dropping a couple of days ago after they had hints of the last two teams and got information that they were for sure. I don't think there are too many left
   
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I'm just assuming that there were tons of them, and that many will decide in the last day or so.

   
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I did it just now and it knocked the total down below 535k oops

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I've yet to decide and will wait until tomorrow but my current thought is drop Frenzy go Rampage plus add ons while there's a lot in Frenzy I'm not seeing the actual value in it there might be $1000 worth if stuff but it's stuff I wouldn't normally have bought or with 38 hours is still incomplete teams need alt sculpts and proned or 16 man teams aren' t worth it. Like some of the others I can't be bothered with the hassle if trying to sell on the parts I don't want.

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 Vermonter wrote:
I don't know what all of this boils down to. Maybe Dreadball Xtreme is ultimately a niche game that just found its natural limit?

Dreadball Xtreme as imagined by Mantic is a niche game, when it could have been part of a larger niche. This should have been a sports game to appeal to people who like the seedy underside of Sci-fi human settings. It should have had cyborgs and shivs and all that good stuff. For Sudden Death spectators should have started throwing weapons onto the pitch to try to make things more interesting. Instead it's got the alien rainbow and little else. It's actually a worse Necromunda killer than the original game, since your players are now interchangeable mooks.

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Did anyone figure out whether it was better getting 2 'Core World' battlezones in the Deadzone Kickstarter Survey 2, or the Prison pitch in Dreadball Xtreme?
   
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$50 versus $175? or are you trying to build the prison in another way?

That last update does nothing to help Frenzy but it will boost the pledge total - $30 worth of metal minis (with game rules) that are add on only looks like Frenzy doesn't get everything after all.

They really need to show more of the Tsudochan at this stage they don't even have much in the way of concept art to sell people on the teams.

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It was inevitable really, there had to be something to tempt the Frenzy people into putting down more cash. I see these ones as the Dreadball Xtreme equivalent to the extra deadzone models added in the latest survey.
   
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 DaveC wrote:
$30 worth of metal minis


That's premium metal miniatures. I guess someone else has been casting the ones I received from Loka, DBS3 and a non-KS order I received recently....[/sarcasm]

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What the feth?

Back on the 7th, Mantic said, and I quote:
Mantic wrote:So, when we get to 2250 backers, we will include a Kickstarter Exclusive Cheerleader with Score Board turn counter with every pledge of Rage ($100 and up) to say thank you!


But now that it's actually unlocked, it's Frenzy only.

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Mistake in the picture, they're going to be updating it shortly.
   
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That's something, I guess.

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 DaveC wrote:
$50 versus $175? or are you trying to build the prison in another way?

That last update does nothing to help Frenzy but it will boost the pledge total - $30 worth of metal minis (with game rules) that are add on only looks like Frenzy doesn't get everything after all.


That's.... not real sporting of them. I'm not outraged myself, but if I were a Frenzy backer, I'd be mightily pissed. Also, $10 for a Dredd model? That's quite a bit more than either Mongoose or Foundry charge for theirs, and theirs aren't sculpted by whoever from Mantic with an 8-12 month wait...

You wonder, though.. it's a gamble between trying to get completionist Frenzy pledgers to drop even more on the bundle, versus the risk of pissing off the ones who are on the fence into dropping out (or down). Is there much ado in the comments?

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No ado in the comments yet, but America is still asleep.

The Mantic rep did say that the Dredd sculpt would be changed from metal to plastic if over half of the total backers opted for one in the survey though.

   
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There's a link to the Tsudochan concepts in the comments

   
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NTRabbit wrote:
No ado in the comments yet, but America is still asleep.

The Mantic rep did say that the Dredd sculpt would be changed from metal to plastic if over half of the total backers opted for one in the survey though.


Over half of the total backers? That's like 1100 people.. all pledging an extra $10 a pop. For an overly-expensive Dredd figure to be delivered in 8-12. Rather hopeful thinking, methinks

   
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I don't think many campaign's comments sections are worth too much in terms of gauging....much.

You'll most often get the few dissenters/grumblers who are then in turn swamped and drowned out by various levels of water carriers, from White Knight all the way up to Platinum Paladin.
   
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Yeah I've largely given up on commenting on KS it's still fun to do on some smaller projects like Impacts! or Battlesystems where feedback and suggestions are welcomed but the big players are set in what they want to do and aren't really for changing. Forum discussion is by and large more balanced and we know they are reading them whether they comment or not (SPM changed a facebook update a few minutes after I posted it here and the picture quality was criticised).

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Hmm, I'm honestly surprised: with the amount of Judge Dredd fans we have on here, I thought that model would gain a lot of support, not backlash.

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 Azazelx wrote:
NTRabbit wrote:
No ado in the comments yet, but America is still asleep.

The Mantic rep did say that the Dredd sculpt would be changed from metal to plastic if over half of the total backers opted for one in the survey though.


Over half of the total backers? That's like 1100 people.. all pledging an extra $10 a pop. For an overly-expensive Dredd figure to be delivered in 8-12. Rather hopeful thinking, methinks


The rep wasn't pushing for it, he was just answering someone who asked what it would take to get Dredd in plastic; honest but unrealistic was the tone I got from it.

As for negatives being drowned out, a quick look didn't really show any outright negative posts to drown - the worst of them were a few people saying "those are nice, but I'm really not interested so won't be adding them to my pledge".

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I also suspect Dredd has been licenced for the KS only (or at best a limited amount of time),

so unlike the other 'exclusives' they wouldn't be able to use it for conventions/prizes/mantic points

so tooling a metal mould would be an expensive write off post KS

 
   
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NTRabbit wrote:

The rep wasn't pushing for it, he was just answering someone who asked what it would take to get Dredd in plastic; honest but unrealistic was the tone I got from it.


Ah, fair enough then. I read your comment as one of those "If half of our backers buy it, then we'll release it in plastic!!"


 timetowaste85 wrote:
Hmm, I'm honestly surprised: with the amount of Judge Dredd fans we have on here, I thought that model would gain a lot of support, not backlash.


Oh, I like Dredd a lot, but he's already well served by several companies making nice models, and available at retail, right now, and for less money from Mongoose/Warlord and Foundry, with the singular exception of the Knight Models version.

   
 
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