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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Doesn't GW use the word "titan" to describe any large walker? Eldar Titans are called titans, the Hierophant is called a bio-titan.

I'm trying to remember, but I think Epic 40k just referred to anything that was big as a titan.

Nope. Titans are a certain classification of Warmachine. The naming of things for most of the races are done from an Imperial viewpoint, so referring to the Eldar and Tyranids equivalents of Imperial Titans as Titans fits because it's how Imperial commanders would refer to them. Ork machines are still referred to by the Ork names because knowledge of the true names are more widespread.

Titans are designed for supporting large formations of troops and armor in addition to engaging Titan class enemies.

Knights are single man warmachines(in essence, the knight's mount) classed between Dreadnoughts and Titans designed as the military force for a Knight world. A knight is designed for a household to engage armies and marauding pirates unsupported. They're built by the Mechanicus and gifted to the households in exchange for swearing to support Mechanicus armies(even the Titan Legions) in military engagements when called upon.

 kronk wrote:

 Veritek83 wrote:
So what's at stake with regard to Knights being or not being Titans?

Pedantry.

That's really it.

Pretty much.

It's just one of those things that doesn't go away, and what probably started as a minor irritation for a few people has become some sort of weird Sharks Vs Jets types scenario.

Please stop

my head hurts

 Therion wrote:
Frankly I don't understand why people can't bend their mind to consider the word 'knight' as a classification. You got mini-battlesuits like Space Marines and Terminators, you got Dreadnoughts, you got baby-carriers, you got Knights and you got Titans.

Personally I don't understand why it matters in the first place. If someone wants to call them titans just let them call them titans, it's not like it makes any difference in game and it only makes a minute difference in the fluff ("oh sorry, you must be 3 feet taller to be called a titan" ).

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Please stop

Indeed.


if you wish the argue the finer points of titan classification then start a thread in the 40k bacjground board.

Thanks.

"...Knights would form family units of these combat walkers to fight alongside the Titans..."

WD (UK) 180

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
"...Knights would form family units of these combat walkers to fight alongside the Titans..."

WD (UK) 180

Missing the point, again. Also I refer you to the red writing.

 Palindrome wrote:

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
"...Knights would form family units of these combat walkers to fight alongside the Titans..."

WD (UK) 180

Missing the point, again. Also I refer you to the red writing.

I was typing this before the red writing appeared. Anyways, on to the topic!

Does anyone know if the unit of these "combat walker war machines" will be 1-3 option? Count as a single Heavy choice, or what?

 Palindrome wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

Believe it.

I still don't as I distinctly remember Knights being referred to as small titans, that is after all what they are. Incidentally both the 40K wiki and the 40k lexicanium agree with me.

You're either wrong or misremembering, but, it really is time to move past that now, and stay on topic in here.

Anyone can, of course, feel free to start a new topic in on of the 40K Sub-Forums on the status of Knights in Imperial Armed Forces.

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:

 Palindrome wrote:

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
"...Knights would form family units of these combat walkers to fight alongside the Titans..."

WD (UK) 180

Missing the point, again. Also I refer you to the red writing.

I was typing this before the red writing appeared. Anyways, on to the topic!

Does anyone know if the unit of these "combat walker war machines" will be 1-3 option? Count as a single Heavy choice, or what?

Seeing as these are super-heavies, they're Apocalypse only or take up the Lord of War slot in games of Escalation.

The early White Dwarf article (apparently UK126...US120) is the source of this Knight [not] Titan issue. The knight worlds supply knight titans and men to fight with the Titan Legions. There are around 6 or 7 full pages of background there, and it gets into things fairly well.

I dont have my magazines handy though to pull up the actual wording used, but they do call them Knight Titans several times.

The fluff no doubt will be more complete for those looking to incorporate them into their armies as well. This coming release will probably be a paragraph and several pages of pictures.

Stahp.

Which page are the leaked rules on guys?

 Alpharius wrote:

 Palindrome wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

Believe it.

I still don't as I distinctly remember Knights being referred to as small titans, that is after all what they are. Incidentally both the 40K wiki and the 40k lexicanium agree with me.

You're either wrong or misremembering, but, it really is time to move past that now, and stay on topic in here.

Anyone can, of course, feel free to start a new topic in on of the 40K Sub-Forums on the status of Knights in Imperial Armed Forces.

Have people seriously missed the 2 or 3 "STAY ON TOPIC" warnings I've already posted in this thread?

Seriously - STAY ON TOPIC!

Thanks!

 Ratius wrote:
Which page are the leaked rules on guys?

Just updated them into the OP dude.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
If they really wanted these things to sell like hotcakes, they'd make them MCs, usable by IG, Space Marines, and Sisters, that can go toe to toe with the Wraighknight and Riptide, then point-cost them similarly.

As it is, I don't see them selling very many. How many LoS have they sold?

I disagree,

It wouldn't seem appropriate for the knight to be a monstrous creature - they are giant machines of war, small titans (the superheavy designation fits). It will be more clear once we have images to compare to riptides/wraithknights.

Also the LoS isn't an overly great kit - it looks childish to many. No one was asking for them and they are tailored specifically to the tastes of CSM (more specifically khornate) fans. Knights on the other hand have been on people's wish lists for a long time, are prominant in the fluff, and are fairly neutral in their appearance. As such, they could easily blend into a players existing imperial army (or traitor legion if the rules allow for it).

Thanks Az.

Some potential confirmation and info from 40k Radio:

Imperial Knight Titan: 1 kit will make all the versions.
Imperial Knight Titan Codex: Three armies in this book.
1st Army: Imperial Knights Army
2nd Army: Mechanicum Army
3rd Army: Freeblades Army (Mercs that can ally)

Warhammer 40k 7th Edition (Yes it is called 7th ed) in May.

Astra Militarium (Imperial Guard):
Stormtroopers (plastic)
Bullgryns (old Ogryns)
Commissar Squads
New Larger Transport

Stormtroopers, Commissar Squads, and Bullgryns are Astra Auxilary. These units may be taken as "plug-ins" to other Imperial armies.

Catachans and Cadians are covered in the new codex. Catachans are not going to direct only.

Orks are in June.

Aedian wrote:
Some potential confirmation and info from 40k Radio:

Imperial Knight Titan: 1 kit will make all the versions.
Imperial Knight Titan Codex: Three armies in this book.
1st Army: Imperial Knights Army
2nd Army: Mechanicum Army
3rd Army: Freeblades Army (Mercs that can ally)

Warhammer 40k 7th Edition (Yes it is called 7th ed) in May.

Astra Militarium (Imperial Guard):
Stormtroopers (plastic)
Bullgryns (old Ogryns)
Commissar Squads
New Larger Transport

Stormtroopers, Commissar Squads, and Bullgryns are Astra Auxilary. These units may be taken as "plug-ins" to other Imperial armies.

Catachans and Cadians are covered in the new codex. Catachans are not going to direct only.

Orks are in June.

7th in May? Mercenaries? Mechanicum?

Just a sec, I'll bring the city's salt supply.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

Aedian wrote:
Some potential confirmation and info from 40k Radio:

Imperial Knight Titan: 1 kit will make all the versions.
Imperial Knight Titan Codex: Three armies in this book.
1st Army: Imperial Knights Army
2nd Army: Mechanicum Army
3rd Army: Freeblades Army (Mercs that can ally)

Warhammer 40k 7th Edition (Yes it is called 7th ed) in May.

Astra Militarium (Imperial Guard):
Stormtroopers (plastic)
Bullgryns (old Ogryns)
Commissar Squads
New Larger Transport

Stormtroopers, Commissar Squads, and Bullgryns are Astra Auxilary. These units may be taken as "plug-ins" to other Imperial armies.

Catachans and Cadians are covered in the new codex. Catachans are not going to direct only.

Orks are in June.

7th in May? Mercenaries? Mechanicum?

Just a sec, I'll bring the city's salt supply.

Agreed. This is way outside of the wheel-house for GW IMO. Also, that would be 4 straight months of 40k. I know fantasy is faltering a little, but they won't put a stake in that heart yet.

Weekly releases now mean they don't have to devote the entire month to one release...

But then, 40K Radio have been doing so well, would they risk this sort of info without some degree of confidence?

 insaniak wrote:
Weekly releases now mean they don't have to devote the entire month to one release...

They dont have too, sure, but look at our first month. It was all dwarfs, GW tends to be a creature of habit. I would not be shocked at all if all the change to weekly release means is that they spread out what used to be once a month into a few weeks, like we have seen.

Next month is Knights. Followed by a whole month of IG. Continue the trend.

EDIT: Deleted, sorry, didn't spot Alpharius' post about not talking about Knights/Titans.

Imperial Knight Titan: 1 kit will make all the versions.
Imperial Knight Titan Codex: Three armies in this book.
1st Army: Imperial Knights Army
2nd Army: Mechanicum Army
3rd Army: Freeblades Army (Mercs that can ally)

Warhammer 40k 7th Edition (Yes it is called 7th ed) in May.

Astra Militarium (Imperial Guard):
Stormtroopers (plastic)
Bullgryns (old Ogryns)
Commissar Squads
New Larger Transport

Stormtroopers, Commissar Squads, and Bullgryns are Astra Auxilary. These units may be taken as "plug-ins" to other Imperial armies.

Catachans and Cadians are covered in the new codex. Catachans are not going to direct only.

Orks are in June.

Believed it up until now. Was drinking something and it suddenly turned into salt. The IG ok... but the Knight stuff... Maybe a model but... a codex for one model and suddenly calling it 7th edition

AdMech army list in the IK Codex? Wonder what kind of army it would be, if they pretty much only use currently released models. Would, or could, GW include the Forgeworld models in it?

what happened to the earlier mention of

"The retailer goes on to say -

The Knight Kit is...

- Wraithknight sized (bulkier)
- Slightly hunched Imperial appearance
- Head in chest
- Arm weapons mounted underslung from shoulders like the Reaver
- Comes with multiple arm weapons (you can mount 2)
a) Multi-barreled "gatling" styled weapon
b) "Grav" styled weapon
c) "Nova-cannon" styled weapon
d) Giant close combat weapon
- Optional quad-missile array
- Void Shield
- Many accessories, flags, Aquilas, Mechanicus cogs, minor defensive weapons etc...
- Priced as Lord of Skulls"

No one seemed to respond to this....

The rumour of a mercenaries codex has been hanging around for some time and refused to die.

 azreal13 wrote:


But then, 40K Radio have been doing so well, would they risk this sort of info without some degree of confidence?

Exactly. From any other source I would be highly skeptical. With their track record though, the rumors seem worth watching at least. If nothing else the rumors about Knights should be confirmed or disproved soon.

So last night at my FLGS, the manager said he hasn't heard word one about Knights and/or pre-ordering from anyone up the chain, and he's already read the next white dwarf and there's no mention of them in it....