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 Red Corsair wrote:
@Azreal
Firstly their is the fleet unit assault move, then they move at I6 up to 3" we won't even bother with the 3" post combat as it won't ever come up. They can move how they choose in order to get into BtB. It's not hard at all to wrap that thing with wyches. Wyches still utterly rape expensive walkers.

Not saying Knights are bad, they are actually good IMO, just clarifying this match up is definitely not in the knights favor, especially when considering cost.

Edit: Now if they can swap those crappy HS for HF then they got much better IMO.

Hmm, on rereading the charge and pile in rules, I've been playing them in a way that has been functionally fine, but not totally correctly, which might have not given me the best outcome in every game.

Live and learn!

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Bonde wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
It's fairly easy to draw the line. If it comes from Forge World, it's out. If it's a GW "main" kit, it's in.

OMG Zwei you're a genius! Why hasn't anyone thought of this before???



And why ban FW?

Ban?

You don't ban.

But if the problems Yak mention worry you, it's an obvious solution you could mutually agree on.

Because no GW "main" kit has a ranged D weapon.

That is not true, the Shadowsword tank does.

Try reading my post again, this time with some sarcasm injected in it. Maybe out loud, rolling your eyes while you do it.

It is a "main kit, it's in the baneblade kit (that's one of the things you can build). I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Spoiler:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Bonde wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
It's fairly easy to draw the line. If it comes from Forge World, it's out. If it's a GW "main" kit, it's in.

OMG Zwei you're a genius! Why hasn't anyone thought of this before???



And why ban FW?

Ban?

You don't ban.

But if the problems Yak mention worry you, it's an obvious solution you could mutually agree on.

Because no GW "main" kit has a ranged D weapon.

That is not true, the Shadowsword tank does.

Try reading my post again, this time with some sarcasm injected in it. Maybe out loud, rolling your eyes while you do it.

It is a "main kit, it's in the baneblade kit (that's one of the things you can build). I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

Yeesh.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

It is a "main kit, it's in the baneblade kit (that's one of the things you can build). I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

Not sure why the internet's so obsessed with D-Weapons. I never heard anyone having major issues with a Shadowsword; at least not of the kind Yak described.

Either way, drawing the line between D-Weapons/No-D-Weapons is messy, precisely because it could cut across different options for the same miniature.

Hence why Forge World/No-Forge-World is so much more elegant and manageable.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Bonde wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
It's fairly easy to draw the line. If it comes from Forge World, it's out. If it's a GW "main" kit, it's in.

OMG Zwei you're a genius! Why hasn't anyone thought of this before???



And why ban FW?

Ban?

You don't ban.

But if the problems Yak mention worry you, it's an obvious solution you could mutually agree on.

Because no GW "main" kit has a ranged D weapon.

That is not true, the Shadowsword tank does.

Try reading my post again, this time with some sarcasm injected in it. Maybe out loud, rolling your eyes while you do it.

It is a "main kit, it's in the baneblade kit (that's one of the things you can build). I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

I was sarcastically saying that there IS a GW main kit with ranged D. Then telling Bonde how to read the comment so he gets the true intent.

Does no one know how to read snark anymore?


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 azreal13 wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Spoiler:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Bonde wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
It's fairly easy to draw the line. If it comes from Forge World, it's out. If it's a GW "main" kit, it's in.

OMG Zwei you're a genius! Why hasn't anyone thought of this before???



And why ban FW?

Ban?

You don't ban.

But if the problems Yak mention worry you, it's an obvious solution you could mutually agree on.

Because no GW "main" kit has a ranged D weapon.

That is not true, the Shadowsword tank does.

Try reading my post again, this time with some sarcasm injected in it. Maybe out loud, rolling your eyes while you do it.

It is a "main kit, it's in the baneblade kit (that's one of the things you can build). I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

Yeesh.

I feel ya.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Maybe just feed it 15 termagaunts each turn so it can't do anything worth while for the game.

If you can get 3 melee equipped Carnifexes to charge it, that would probably be the end of it, at the expense of 1 or 2 carni's, so maybe tie it up with some gargoyle fodder and then setup a Carni brood to charge it.

It would be difficult if you didn't tailor your list though, I don't think I'd ever take 3 CC Carni's unless it was quite a large game.

The trouble is that Fexes would never be able allowed to charge it... they only move 6" compared to the Knight's 12". Without the initial charge and those free HoW hits, they'll struggle to do any damage as the Knight attacks first at I4 and kills 1-2 of them before they strike back.

Trygons are probably the best bet... they have Fleet, strike at I4, can better absorb the D3+1 wound Destroyer hits, and can do 5 Smash attacks on the charge at a better WS. It would still be a suicide attack, just a slightly more effective one.

lovely model. i'm a painter primarily, so i'll probably get one IF the price point is acceptable. i'm not wealthy! i'll let the gamers decide amongst themselves if these are any good!

 Bull0 wrote:
For the last time, I always said I believed the photo but didn't believe the "This store manager at unnamed town got his WD early and did this legendary proxy game but we didn't take any pictures" anonymous 4chan post. I still don't feel wrong to have doubted that, because it was the kind of thing any troll could've farted out in an afternoon. There's no egg on my face, friend.

Check your ego, compadre. Not everything is about you. Trust me, if you had bee the subject of that post, I would have clearly indicated it, but truth be told, your silly little argument did not merit consideration

Was the actual usd $ price known yet?

 azreal13 wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
@Azreal
Firstly their is the fleet unit assault move, then they move at I6 up to 3" we won't even bother with the 3" post combat as it won't ever come up. They can move how they choose in order to get into BtB. It's not hard at all to wrap that thing with wyches. Wyches still utterly rape expensive walkers.

Not saying Knights are bad, they are actually good IMO, just clarifying this match up is definitely not in the knights favor, especially when considering cost.

Edit: Now if they can swap those crappy HS for HF then they got much better IMO.

Hmm, on rereading the charge and pile in rules, I've been playing them in a way that has been functionally fine, but not totally correctly, which might have not given me the best outcome in every game.

Live and learn!

Hey man don't sweat it!

Every edition leaves clutter and makes it harder, for me at least. I have been in it since 2nd and at times you drudge up old rules and if your like me start combining them lol

Exactly that, every time I get asked a rules question because I too have been kicking around since RT, I always second guess as to whether I have the correct edition!

 Platuan4th wrote:

Spoiler:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Bonde wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
It's fairly easy to draw the line. If it comes from Forge World, it's out. If it's a GW "main" kit, it's in.

OMG Zwei you're a genius! Why hasn't anyone thought of this before???



And why ban FW?

Ban?

You don't ban.

But if the problems Yak mention worry you, it's an obvious solution you could mutually agree on.

Because no GW "main" kit has a ranged D weapon.

That is not true, the Shadowsword tank does.

Try reading my post again, this time with some sarcasm injected in it. Maybe out loud, rolling your eyes while you do it.

It is a "main kit, it's in the baneblade kit (that's one of the things you can build). I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

I was sarcastically saying that there IS a GW main kit with ranged D. Then telling Bonde how to read the comment so he gets the true intent.

Does no one know how to read snark anymore?

If you put a or something it would be a lot easier to understand. Words have a limited amount of information that they can get across.

These are epic!

An awesome translation of the original designs into a more modern, detailed look. Only thing I'm not too keen on is the protruding shoulder-stubber... but that would be easily fixed by just shortening the barrel.

Interesting choice to let them be fielded as an army on their own. Expensive... but interesting.

 insaniak wrote:
These are epic!

An awesome translation of the original designs into a more modern, detailed look. Only thing I'm not too keen on is the protruding shoulder-stubber... but that would be easily fixed by just shortening the barrel.

Interesting choice to let them be fielded as an army on their own. Expensive... but interesting.

No, they're 40k scale. GW doesn't make Epic anymore

Joking aside, it's a really lovely modernization of the original designs and shows what GW is really capable of with model making. I'm looking forward to seeing the sculptors' credits in White Dwarf so I can see who was behind these.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
So Imperium of Man gets another toy that Chaos miraculously has no access to. I am thrilled... *yawns*

We don't know that for sure, so don't get all up in a tizzy just yet.

FW just needs to upscale the Decimator a little bit, and Nurgle's your uncle

Seeing these Knights I am struck by how battlefield images which were I recall so many years ago once created by Epic Scale Models in White Dwarf are now possible with 40k Scale as in this recent one from Forgeworld:



For me its all quite exciting

So, looking at the WD screenies, the Knights don't look all that scary.

In terms of resiliency, if you could deal with a Leman Russ tank in cover in 5E, these won't prove any more difficult, probably less so if you get to the side or rear. Firepower-wise, they feel undergunned for nearly 400pt units, you'd get more firepower out of a couple of kitted Leman Russ tanks sitting in cover for the same price. In CC, the D weapon is the only thing keeping most MC's from winning handily against them. I'd certainly breathe easier facing an army of 5 of these than a a Farsight allies list with 4 markerlight supported Riptides.

That said, for the first time in a couple of years, I am actually mightily impressed by a new non-forgeworld model kit, and will almost certainly pick at least one up.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Seeing these Knights I am struck by how battlefield images which were I recall so many years ago once created by Epic Scale Models in White Dwarf are now possible with 40k Scale as in this recent one from Forgeworld:



For me its all quite exciting

It is for me as well, but then I just think of all the battle reports for large scale games with a billion tanks parked 2 feet from each other and my brain vomits.

Are there 'skirmish' type scenarios that suit super heavies?

It'll be neat to see the inevitable mashup of a Khornemower torso + knight legs. Or just the arm and head swaps. I wonder if the legs are muti-part?

 plastictrees wrote:


It is for me as well, but then I just think of all the battle reports for large scale games with a billion tanks parked 2 feet from each other and my brain vomits.

Are there 'skirmish' type scenarios that suit super heavies?

There is a scenario in the Escalation book pitting a Lord of War against an army.

Great looking model!

xxvaderxx wrote:
For marines this guy is very cheap for what it does which frees up points to get more essentially overcosted core troops

Marines ? Overcosted ?
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 Kosake wrote:
So Imperium of Man gets another toy that Chaos miraculously has no access to. I am thrilled... *yawns*

well in fairness these things occupy pretty much the same niche as the lord of skulls. almost to the point of where I look forward to an escalation game pitting a pair of these puppies vs a lord of skulls.

 Zweischneid wrote:
Hence why Forge World/No-Forge-World is so much more elegant and manageable.

Sure, if your goal is to create an arbitrary and stupid ban that exists for the sole purpose of banning random stuff it's very elegant. It accomplishes a lot of banning with a simple statement, and its arbitrariness and stupidity are pretty much indisputable. On the other hand, if your goal is to do anything constructive with the game then no, it's not very elegant at all.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
So Imperium of Man gets another toy that Chaos miraculously has no access to. I am thrilled... *yawns*

well in fairness these things occupy pretty much the same niche as the lord of skulls. almost to the point of where I look forward to an escalation game pitting a pair of these puppies vs a lord of skulls.

I play Tau where I just get a choice of fliers.... at least IoM and Chaos get plastic support.... I'll probably die of old age before Tau get a plastic superheavy and then it'll probably just be another flier....

 agnosto wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
So Imperium of Man gets another toy that Chaos miraculously has no access to. I am thrilled... *yawns*

well in fairness these things occupy pretty much the same niche as the lord of skulls. almost to the point of where I look forward to an escalation game pitting a pair of these puppies vs a lord of skulls.

I play Tau where I just get a choice of fliers.... at least IoM and Chaos get plastic support.... I'll probably die of old age before Tau get a plastic superheavy and then it'll probably just be another flier....

Well it does make them almost SD-proof (the only non-blast SD I know of are the heavy rail gun and the necron plylon).

BrianDavion wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
So Imperium of Man gets another toy that Chaos miraculously has no access to. I am thrilled... *yawns*

well in fairness these things occupy pretty much the same niche as the lord of skulls. almost to the point of where I look forward to an escalation game pitting a pair of these puppies vs a lord of skulls.

Have not played escalation yet, but since the Warhammer 7th Edition is a real thing for May 2014, it is perfect timing since it will incorporate data slates, escalation, stronghold assault, and some tweaks on 6th. These are exciting times!

BTW - was there a rumor post on FW being sold in GW stores starting April 7th?

Just thought I'd post this pic of the original knights:

No Castellan there

intresting thing is one of those wardens reminds me of the lord of skulls. possiable orgin perhaps?