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 NoseGoblin wrote:

This is the least expensive place I know of ATM on that side of the pond http://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=5281

Thanks, Mark!

 Compel wrote:

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 NoseGoblin wrote:

This is the least expensive place I know of ATM on that side of the pond http://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=5281

Thanks, Mark!

I mentioned that last week, a few times actually. Back then, it was sitting at £40, not £55.

Kavik_Whitescar wrote:

 Wise Guy Sam wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The Escalation book gives you the sizes of the templates, yeah? So use a compass and make your own?

But yeah, I measured my Trygon, it's 130mm tall, I measured the head of my Trygon as a reference, then added the appropriate height to get to the Knight. By my calcs, the Knight is 150-155mm to the top of it's hunch. (5.9 to 6.1")

I was hoping for something larger, oh well.

You've done the math so you would know but that doesn't sound right. I would have thought it closer to 8 or 9 inches but there you go, still a great looking model.

There are many dick jokes here but they aren't needed.

Who is joking?

Well no one has made a dick joke about my post, the inches it looks like and the inches measured. There is maybe 85 jokes that could be made about things a certain size looking bigger to me, me adding a few inches to the models height and measuring the head of a trygon...a long erect snake like fella.

What's important is I thought the Knight would be bigger than the measurements predicted using some math.

 Compel wrote:

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 NoseGoblin wrote:

This is the least expensive place I know of ATM on that side of the pond http://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=5281

Thanks, Mark!

I mentioned that last week, a few times actually. Back then, it was sitting at £40, not £55.

And your point is, exactly...what? Where did you mention it, in what thread, and what does it have to do with me being courteous to the bloke who brought us the Leviathan?

 Compel wrote:

 Padre wrote:

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 NoseGoblin wrote:

This is the least expensive place I know of ATM on that side of the pond http://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=5281

Thanks, Mark!

I mentioned that last week, a few times actually. Back then, it was sitting at £40, not £55.

But again, it's not really comparable, as long as we don't know how deep a discount we'll find for the GW Knight. Comparing RRP vs. RRP is a fair benchmark. Comparing a GW RRP vs. a deep discount from one etailer is a fallacy, just like it would be comparing the DF Leviathan at RRP with a GW Knight at 20% discount from Wayland Games.

Hell, there are already offers for the Knight with ~ USD 25,- discount out there, before it's even released (!!). If you look (and willing to wait), you'll probably find discounts similar to the Northstar one for the Leviathan for the GW Knight as well.

Daston wrote:
The way I see it is its the same price as a tank of fuel. I will probably spend more time painting and assembling the model than that tank of fuel will last.

Man math.......making unnecessary purchases possible

Where do you live and what do you drive that a tank of fuel costs that much? I thought Australian prices were bad, my car runs on premium and it still doesn't cost that much to fill, lol.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
What about "people bitching about people bitching about the price of the model?" Surely that merits inclusion on your wee list? Also, I should point out that ascribing actions to posters like you're doing there is pretty much the opposite of "summing up", better known as "inventing stuff wholesale to suit your own limited preconceptions."

I won't buy one of these, nor do I play Warmachine, so when I say the price is too damn high, you can't spout your tired catchphrases in response like a mentally challenged parrot. Your little comedy routine might work on 4chan or wherever people like you congregate these days, but it can only made the judicious grieve.

Chill out dude... its plastic toys.

Forgot to mention if you can find a cheaper alternative I'm all ears... No one has as yet.

bodazoka wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
What about "people bitching about people bitching about the price of the model?" Surely that merits inclusion on your wee list? Also, I should point out that ascribing actions to posters like you're doing there is pretty much the opposite of "summing up", better known as "inventing stuff wholesale to suit your own limited preconceptions."

I won't buy one of these, nor do I play Warmachine, so when I say the price is too damn high, you can't spout your tired catchphrases in response like a mentally challenged parrot. Your little comedy routine might work on 4chan or wherever people like you congregate these days, but it can only made the judicious grieve.

Chill out dude... its plastic toys.

Dude...these are plastic toys! Why arent you freaking out more?!?!

Father Gabe on Faeit 212 wrote:1) The models in the White Dwarf are resin versions of the Imperial Knights. The actual plastic versions are a bit more streamed lined and will look slightly different. Kit contains (3) different heads.

2) The transfer sheet has approximately 250(+) decals. They contain decals for the following: Various Knight Households, Adeptus Mechanicus and Freelance versions. Before anyone asks, no I don't know if this means there are rules for these (3) factions or if it will be included in a book, etc. I should know more very soon.

3) Not a lot of info on Codex: Legion of the Damned beyond awesome artwork. The information that was provided was similar to the White Dwarf leak, mentioning they can be used as allies. Whether or not it can be used as a normal army.

 Kroothawk wrote:

Father Gabe on Faeit 212 wrote:1) The models in the White Dwarf are resin versions of the Imperial Knights. The actual plastic versions are a bit more streamed lined and will look slightly different. Kit contains (3) different heads.

2) The transfer sheet has approximately 250(+) decals. They contain decals for the following: Various Knight Households, Adeptus Mechanicus and Freelance versions. Before anyone asks, no I don't know if this means there are rules for these (3) factions or if it will be included in a book, etc. I should know more very soon.

3) Not a lot of info on Codex: Legion of the Damned beyond awesome artwork. The information that was provided was similar to the White Dwarf leak, mentioning they can be used as allies. Whether or not it can be used as a normal army.

Resin master? Do they mean 3D printed like the Dwarf models?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

Father Gabe on Faeit 212 wrote:1) The models in the White Dwarf are resin versions of the Imperial Knights. The actual plastic versions are a bit more streamed lined and will look slightly different. Kit contains (3) different heads.

2) The transfer sheet has approximately 250(+) decals. They contain decals for the following: Various Knight Households, Adeptus Mechanicus and Freelance versions. Before anyone asks, no I don't know if this means there are rules for these (3) factions or if it will be included in a book, etc. I should know more very soon.

3) Not a lot of info on Codex: Legion of the Damned beyond awesome artwork. The information that was provided was similar to the White Dwarf leak, mentioning they can be used as allies. Whether or not it can be used as a normal army.

Resin master? Do they mean 3D printed like the Dwarf models?

GW sculpts their models digitally, than they print them to make molds, cast resin masters and finally go into production.

There hasn't been a painted plastic model on a GW box in years. 'Eavy Metal always paints resin masters.

The painted Dwarf models were not the 3D printed ones, but resin masters as well. It simply had print-lines from the 3D prints showing in the molds made from the 3D prints.

 bubber wrote:

Gaming Figures still has the new ones listed - http://gamingfigures.com/viewProducts.asp?action=viewproduct&product=6683

Thanks for the tip. This pisses me off, very bad form on GW's part not to keep essentials like templates in distribution. It's fun going to random sites like that for what you think is the first time, only to find out on checkout that you've registered there before.

Daston wrote:


Man math.......making unnecessary purchases possible

So true. Best thing in this thread.

 Bull0 wrote:

 bubber wrote:

Gaming Figures still has the new ones listed - http://gamingfigures.com/viewProducts.asp?action=viewproduct&product=6683

Thanks for the tip. This pisses me off, very bad form on GW's part not to keep essentials like templates in distribution. It's fun going to random sites like that for what you think is the first time, only to find out on checkout that you've registered there before.

I've HEARD that the latest release of apoclypse failed and that was a big part of the reason behind escalation, and presumably knights.

Maybe they wanna ensure there's some sort of demand before they bring in the templates.


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They've made the templates, they were a limited Apoc release.

I assume that like plastic kits, all the development costs are loaded at the front end with a product like this, so to keep them unavailable is most likely to try and force sales on the old set, which, as someone else said, begs the question 'why make the change if you've got a load of the old ones still to shift?'

 azreal13 wrote:
They've made the templates, they were a limited Apoc release.

This. The decision to make them a limited release was made before the new Apocalypse dropped, not as a response to sales.

I assume that like plastic kits, all the development costs are loaded at the front end with a product like this, so to keep them unavailable is most likely to try and force sales on the old set, which, as someone else said, begs the question 'why make the change if you've got a load of the old ones still to shift?'

I doubt that't the reason, since the old templates aren't going to sell to anyone except those still playing the old Apocalypse... who would most likely already have them by now.

 insaniak wrote:

I doubt that't the reason, since the old templates aren't going to sell to anyone except those still playing the old Apocalypse... who would most likely already have them by now.

Precisely. But having a bunch of those gathering dust (and costing money) in your warehouse might lead to a decision to say the new ones will be a one-off, buy em while they last.

Maybe they ran out of blue plastic.

I cannot wait to see some conversions to War hounds. I've been looking at it and It would be achievable. It would take significant amounts of time. But if someone was to create maybe a "Walker Conversion Kit" for various models....

Elongate the legs, different feet, expand the Carapace and add a new head.

You could even buy the proper FW War hound weapons.

I am excited to see what these models will be used for conversions!

insaniak wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
They've made the templates, they were a limited Apoc release.

This. The decision to make them a limited release was made before the new Apocalypse dropped, not as a response to sales.

I assume that like plastic kits, all the development costs are loaded at the front end with a product like this, so to keep them unavailable is most likely to try and force sales on the old set, which, as someone else said, begs the question 'why make the change if you've got a load of the old ones still to shift?'

I doubt that't the reason, since the old templates aren't going to sell to anyone except those still playing the old Apocalypse... who would most likely already have them by now.

Zweischneid wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

I doubt that't the reason, since the old templates aren't going to sell to anyone except those still playing the old Apocalypse... who would most likely already have them by now.

Precisely. But having a bunch of those gathering dust (and costing money) in your warehouse might lead to a decision to say the new ones will be a one-off, buy em while they last.

But the whole problem could have been avoided by not changing the templates!

As it stands, they've paid the development cost on a bunch of new ones, which nobody can buy, and have somewhere between some and a lot of cash tied up in redundant stock that nobody wants.

 azreal13 wrote:


But the whole problem could have been avoided by not changing the templates!

As it stands, they've paid the development cost on a bunch of new ones, which nobody can buy, and have somewhere between some and a lot of cash tied up in redundant stock that nobody wants.

Perhaps. But if they'd stick with the old templates, the probably would've sold 3 more to the 3 people interested in Apoc that didn't have them.

Now, after the first Apoc, they had a rough idea of how many people are interested in Apoc, and could sell all of them something new, with a one-off production run that was conservatively based on previous Apoc-release sales to be sure to sell out.

Then continue to stimulate the need for the new templates by publishing Escalation and a brand new model that needs them?

Not buying it.

Which is a problem when they then shift apocalypse rules into regular games, and nobody can buy the templates...

Pure speculation on my part and possibly a bit out there but could new templates be included in the rumoured new 7th Edition starter set?

If Escalation and Stronghold are being rolled into the new rulebook this would be a justified reason for doing a new starter set so soon after 6th Edition?

Looks promising - and badass.

StraightSilver wrote:
Pure speculation on my part and possibly a bit out there but could new templates be included in the rumoured new 7th Edition starter set?

If Escalation and Stronghold are being rolled into the new rulebook this would be a justified reason for doing a new starter set so soon after 6th Edition?

The idea is good, but the 40K Radio rumours say that Dark Vengeance will continue to be the starter set for 7th.

Well seems that GW is getting something big and walking for imperials as well.

I had the luck to get all off my Dreamforge "knights" for a very soft price
( IIRC one was a mere 40 pounds UK + 12,50 Courier Shipping )

And looking at the new pictures I can tell that a Crusader minus some armor pieces looks a hell more convincing.

Plusses are:
- Fully poseable
- 200+ parts ( for hours of fun )
- Not covered in skulls
- Weapons can be swapped
- Covers both mentioned models ( Gatling --> fast fire battlecannon, Melta separate model, and big CC weapon )
- You can really fit a humans sized model in the head and still have 13 armor

Minus
- Its slightly bigger
- GW events willl ban you ( but then again their Events KGB goes haywire after spotting a non-sanctioned resin shoulderpad anyhow )

BTW
The model itself looks like an copy of the old Epic reaver /armorcast reaver minus the carapace weapon, esp. the legs and feet.

The only template you need is the monster flame one the apoc blast can use a tape and multi blast can use a blast template X 5

I have no issues with people criticising GW, or anyone but...

 Soulhunter wrote:
Well seems that GW is getting something big and walking for imperials as well.

I had the luck to get all off my Dreamforge "knights" for a very soft price
( IIRC one was a mere 40 pounds UK + 12,50 Courier Shipping )

And looking at the new pictures I can tell that a Crusader minus some armor pieces looks a hell more convincing.

Plusses are:
- Fully poseablewe have no idea how the GW kit goes together until we at least see sprue pics
- 200+ parts ( for hours of fun )we have no idea how many parts are in the GW kit
- Not covered in skulls neither is the GW one
- Weapons can be swappedso can the GW one
- Covers both mentioned models ( Gatling --> fast fire battlecannon, Melta separate model, and big CC weapon ) so does the GW kit, with a good possibly of more expansion kits via FW, just like the DFG
- You can really fit a humans sized model in the head and still have 13 armor and....?

Minus
- Its slightly bigger
- GW events willl ban you ( but then again their Events KGB goes haywire after spotting a non-sanctioned resin shoulderpad anyhow )

BTW
The model itself looks like an copy of the old Epic reaver /armorcast reaver minus the carapace weapon, esp. the legs and feet. no, it looks like an old Epic scale knight, up scaled with enough detail to suit the larger scale, and, if anything, looks like a Warlord

 azreal13 wrote:
I have no issues with people criticising GW, or anyone but...

 Soulhunter wrote:
Well seems that GW is getting something big and walking for imperials as well.

I had the luck to get all off my Dreamforge "knights" for a very soft price
( IIRC one was a mere 40 pounds UK + 12,50 Courier Shipping )

And looking at the new pictures I can tell that a Crusader minus some armor pieces looks a hell more convincing.

Plusses are:
- Fully poseablewe have no idea how the GW kit goes together until we at least see sprue pics
- 200+ parts ( for hours of fun )we have no idea how many parts are in the GW kit
- Not covered in skulls neither is the GW one
- Weapons can be swappedso can the GW one
- Covers both mentioned models ( Gatling --> fast fire battlecannon, Melta separate model, and big CC weapon ) so does the GW kit, with a good possibly of more expansion kits via FW, just like the DFG
- You can really fit a humans sized model in the head and still have 13 armor and....?

Minus
- Its slightly bigger
- GW events willl ban you ( but then again their Events KGB goes haywire after spotting a non-sanctioned resin shoulderpad anyhow )

BTW
The model itself looks like an copy of the old Epic reaver /armorcast reaver minus the carapace weapon, esp. the legs and feet. no, it looks like an old Epic scale knight, up scaled with enough detail to suit the larger scale, and, if anything, looks like a Warlord

Ninja'd! I was specifically going to ask about the weapons swap considering its already been said that the Knight kit will have optional weapons...and heads! Oh myyy.