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 Breotan wrote:

YakManDoo wrote:
You are aware that Privateer Press maintains two of the best selling miniature wargames on the market in Hordes/Warmachine? You are aware that Privateer Press continues to grow in the segment? You are aware that Dreamforge is effectively a one man shop?

And? DreamForge came out with their resin knight quite some time ago. It was years of pleading on our part that finally pushed him to use Kickstart the plastic version back in 2012. Even then, people were discussing the model's use as a Warhound "counts as" and not a PP knockoff.

YakManDoo wrote:
Privateer Press pushed the large model strategy over the last three years and has come up big. GW has followed suit in the last year. Shall we count the kits since 6th edition? GW is chasing PP's strategy.

Please, do remind me, when did GW release the Baneblade and Stompa plastic kits? 2007? 2008? How long has Forge World been making large models like the Deff Dread? No, GW isn't chasing PP. If anything, GW is chasing FW.

YakManDoo wrote:
...the Imperial knight is clear evidence of an industry leader in emulate mode and not innovate mode. That is in no way a comment on the quality of the kit. GW is losing market share, and this kit shows they are not above following the successful strategy of an innovative and growing company.

Okay, this is just ignorance.

The vast increase in large mainstream kits in 40k has been post PP success in this product space. GW chasing FW? They are chasing themselves? That's damned near stupid. If they were chasing FW they'd be putting HH into plastic. Baneblades and Stompas crapped out their sales years ago when GW failed to pursue a large model strategy. In the last 1.5 years they dump the Tesseract, the Riptide, the Wraithknight, the Imperial Knight all in plastic, all mainstream, and all after their main competitor gains market share after the same strategy. Dream forge is not GWs target because They aren't a competitor. If you want to imagine that a teeny tiny shop like Dreamforge is why GW put these out you should go take a business class.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Stus67 wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
So if the knight is only 6.5 inch that means it is only slightly larger than a dreadknight?

The Knight page on the GW site says it's 8 inches tall.

Either GW fail at taking pictures, the Knight models in pictures is different to the Knight model they're actually sending out, or 8" is a lie because everything we've seen of it, it's more like 6 to 6.5".

well there's also this

I just measured my Mawloc. There is no way the knight is 8 inches tall.



7 inches at the most.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Stus67 wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
So if the knight is only 6.5 inch that means it is only slightly larger than a dreadknight?

The Knight page on the GW site says it's 8 inches tall.

Either GW fail at taking pictures, the Knight models in pictures is different to the Knight model they're actually sending out, or 8" is a lie because everything we've seen of it, it's more like 6 to 6.5".

I'm not seeing eight inches out of this kit, either. Maybe we'll all be pleasantly surprised.

 SickSix wrote:
I just measured my Mawloc. There is no way the knight is 8 inches tall.

Mine comes in at barely 5½ inches and that's because I positioned my claws high up on that thing.

 SickSix wrote:
I just measured my Mawloc. There is no way the knight is 8 inches tall.



7 inches at the most.

So what is your best guess then?

you guys put a lot of faith into pictures that have close to no actual visible information when it comes to height, how the models were built, the terrain they're on, the varying depth of field, angles the shots were taken, and if they've been doctored or not for cinematics.

come on guys everyone knows when I guy measures his toy he adds a inch

"ps maybe he just isn't erect in that pick?

 NoseGoblin wrote:
So what is your best guess then?

Six? Maybe six and a half?

I wonder how many GK players will be making Dreadknight conversions out of these?

 NoseGoblin wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
I just measured my Mawloc. There is no way the knight is 8 inches tall.

Spoiler:

7 inches at the most.

So what is your best guess then?

6.5" for the knight is probably going to be very close. My Mawloc (including standard base hieght) comes in at 5 5/8 inches measuring to the very tippy top of his top appendage.

 Breotan wrote:

 NoseGoblin wrote:
So what is your best guess then?

Six? Maybe six and a half?

I wonder how many GK players will be making Dreadknight conversions out of these?

Me? None. I bought three 15mm Dreamforge Crusaders to be my Dreadknights.

 Stus67 wrote:
you guys put a lot of faith into pictures that have close to no actual visible information when it comes to height, how the models were built, the terrain they're on, the varying depth of field, angles the shots were taken, and if they've been doctored or not for cinematics.

If it were just 1 or 2 images, I might agree with you. But we've seen it next to an Avatar of which we know the height, bad perspective? Maybe, but it suggests ~6". We've seen it next to a Trygon of which we know the height. Maybe the Trygon is closer to the camera and it's just a weird picture? Maybe, but it again suggests ~6". We've had people say it's mounted on a 120mm base, and the images show that it's not much taller than the base is wide, so again suggesting ~6" tall. We have on GW's site they put a Space Marine next to it for scale, measure it out, it ends up about 6" tall.

So we have several pictures suggesting it's 6 to 6.5" tall, GW saying it's 8" tall on their website and 1 picture next to a Riptide which is hard to tell anything from (and FWIW, the Riptide is only about the same height as a Trygon anyway).

From that, I'm guessing it's probably 6 to 6.5" tall and GW made a typo with saying it's 8". I'll be pleasantly surprised if it is actually 8".

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Stus67 wrote:
you guys put a lot of faith into pictures that have close to no actual visible information when it comes to height, how the models were built, the terrain they're on, the varying depth of field, angles the shots were taken, and if they've been doctored or not for cinematics.

If it were just 1 or 2 images, I might agree with you. But we've seen it next to an Avatar of which we know the height, bad perspective? Maybe, but it suggests ~6". We've seen it next to a Trygon of which we know the height. Maybe the Trygon is closer to the camera and it's just a weird picture? Maybe, but it again suggests ~6". We've had people say it's mounted on a 120mm base, and the images show that it's not much taller than the base is wide, so again suggesting ~6" tall. We have on GW's site they put a Space Marine next to it for scale, measure it out, it ends up about 6" tall.

So we have several pictures suggesting it's 6 to 6.5" tall, GW saying it's 8" tall on their website and 1 picture next to a Riptide which is hard to tell anything from (and FWIW, the Riptide is only about the same height as a Trygon anyway).

From that, I'm guessing it's probably 6 to 6.5" tall and GW made a typo with saying it's 8". I'll be pleasantly surprised if it is actually 8".

Could be. Personally I can see it sitting at 7", but not as small as 6". I'm just going off what I've seen, and knowing that GW are just as bad at image/video production as they are at customer satisfaction.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Stus67 wrote:
you guys put a lot of faith into pictures that have close to no actual visible information when it comes to height, how the models were built, the terrain they're on, the varying depth of field, angles the shots were taken, and if they've been doctored or not for cinematics.

If it were just 1 or 2 images, I might agree with you. But we've seen it next to an Avatar of which we know the height, bad perspective? Maybe, but it suggests ~6". We've seen it next to a Trygon of which we know the height. Maybe the Trygon is closer to the camera and it's just a weird picture? Maybe, but it again suggests ~6". We've had people say it's mounted on a 120mm base, and the images show that it's not much taller than the base is wide, so again suggesting ~6" tall. We have on GW's site they put a Space Marine next to it for scale, measure it out, it ends up about 6" tall.

So we have several pictures suggesting it's 6 to 6.5" tall, GW saying it's 8" tall on their website and 1 picture next to a Riptide which is hard to tell anything from (and FWIW, the Riptide is only about the same height as a Trygon anyway).

From that, I'm guessing it's probably 6 to 6.5" tall and GW made a typo with saying it's 8". I'll be pleasantly surprised if it is actually 8".

Yep pretty much everything you just said....

 Stus67 wrote:

well there's also this

Having held both these models in my hand the Knight is a good chunk taller even with the other guy being modeled on an elevated base.

YakManDoo wrote:
Um...hate to do this, but it looks like GW ripped off the Cygnar Stormwall and threw a Chainsword on it. I love the model, but this is a PP influenced release with a PP influenced model.

Penny Arcade said it best.

YakManDoo wrote:
Um...hate to do this, but it looks like GW ripped off the Cygnar Stormwall and threw a Chainsword on it. I love the model, but this is a PP influenced release with a PP influenced model.

You do realize that GW has had these knights designed at smaller scale for nearly 25 years, right?

Every one of your post just reeks of ignorance.

 AlexHolker wrote:

YakManDoo wrote:
Um...hate to do this, but it looks like GW ripped off the Cygnar Stormwall and threw a Chainsword on it. I love the model, but this is a PP influenced release with a PP influenced model.

Penny Arcade said it best.

You sir, get an exalt for that!

 d-usa wrote:
Having held both these models in my hand the Knight is a good chunk taller even with the other guy being modeled on an elevated base.

I don't own a riptide, but from what I've seen, it's shorter than a Trygon, which is 5.5". So the Imperial Knight would feel a good chunk taller even if it's only 6.5" tall.

But yeah, given the contradicting information, I guess we'll just have to wait and see, maybe someone can photograph it next to a ruler or measure it out for us.

YakManDoo wrote:
. . .GW chasing FW? They are chasing themselves? That's damned near stupid. . . .

Oh c'mon.. This one is too easy...

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Having held both these models in my hand the Knight is a good chunk taller even with the other guy being modeled on an elevated base.

I don't own a riptide, but from what I've seen, it's shorter than a Trygon, which is 5.5". So the Imperial Knight would feel a good chunk taller even if it's only 6.5" tall.

But yeah, given the contradicting information, I guess we'll just have to wait and see, maybe someone can photograph it next to a ruler or measure it out for us.

I think it would probably have been just a little bit too obvious if I yanked out my ruler . But it would have cleared things up quite a bit.

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YakManDoo wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

YakManDoo wrote:
You are aware that Privateer Press maintains two of the best selling miniature wargames on the market in Hordes/Warmachine? You are aware that Privateer Press continues to grow in the segment? You are aware that Dreamforge is effectively a one man shop?

And? DreamForge came out with their resin knight quite some time ago. It was years of pleading on our part that finally pushed him to use Kickstart the plastic version back in 2012. Even then, people were discussing the model's use as a Warhound "counts as" and not a PP knockoff.

YakManDoo wrote:
Privateer Press pushed the large model strategy over the last three years and has come up big. GW has followed suit in the last year. Shall we count the kits since 6th edition? GW is chasing PP's strategy.

Please, do remind me, when did GW release the Baneblade and Stompa plastic kits? 2007? 2008? How long has Forge World been making large models like the Deff Dread? No, GW isn't chasing PP. If anything, GW is chasing FW.

YakManDoo wrote:
...the Imperial knight is clear evidence of an industry leader in emulate mode and not innovate mode. That is in no way a comment on the quality of the kit. GW is losing market share, and this kit shows they are not above following the successful strategy of an innovative and growing company.

Okay, this is just ignorance.

The vast increase in large mainstream kits in 40k has been post PP success in this product space. GW chasing FW? They are chasing themselves? That's damned near stupid. If they were chasing FW they'd be putting HH into plastic. Baneblades and Stompas crapped out their sales years ago when GW failed to pursue a large model strategy. In the last 1.5 years they dump the Tesseract, the Riptide, the Wraithknight, the Imperial Knight all in plastic, all mainstream, and all after their main competitor gains market share after the same strategy. Dream forge is not GWs target because They aren't a competitor. If you want to imagine that a teeny tiny shop like Dreamforge is why GW put these out you should go take a business class.

Yakmando now you are making up market research to cover over the fact your original post in here was stating that GW copied cygnar models or drew inspiration from them. I would like to see the market research you are quoting from, as if this forums majority is to go by then any thing that costs over £10 is overpriced. So PP models that cost £90 and more in some cases are not likely to be raking in the money for PP. Then let's not get into the fact Forge world have been selling the big stuff since before PP was even thought about.

A nice model for sure, still waiting to see if CSM get more models besides the new Helbrute though...

AUD$155
US$140 (converted to AUD$156.11)

Not worth importing.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
AUD$155
US$140 (converted to AUD$156.11)

Not worth importing.

Proof that ROTW is slowly catching up to Aus prices. :/

Except for Canadia, who appear to have decided that this is a race and have run out in front of everyone.

It's punishiment for Bieber, so they deserve it...

It's £62 here.

Sold to the man!

Son of a redneck biscuit maker. Why did they have to make something this cool when I was prepared to quit buying GW!?!?! Dang it.


For note my IG are based on Fallout 3 and NV factions...I think I just found my Liberty Prime...

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
A nice model for sure, still waiting to see if CSM get more models besides the new Helbrute though...

Funny you should mention this, If you check the pictures of the decal sheets in WD. you will see they have actualy included the "MORTIS" decals, for Legio Mortis. Now unless GW like to get shot in the face by the Fluff police. Im pritty sure these will be rocking the front lines of a chaos space marine army pretty soon.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Except for Canadia, who appear to have decided that this is a race and have run out in front of everyone.

What can I say, we like to win.

The really funny part is I could have a Knight at a US discounter price with $4 shipping two days after release. I won't, as I don't really care for it, and it's not in the budget when I want to finish my Krieg, but at least when GW was screwing Oz there was a big ol' ocean full of Peruvian pirates or whatever other explanation they had.

Me? I can see 'murica from here if walk for a few minutes up a nearby hill. We don't even have a fence for a border. I don't even have to post for things, I could drive for less than an hour and buy things from a GW across the border and still save a bundle of money. And GW wonders why they don't do better here.

The real irony is Warhammer 40k is actually quite popular in Canada. I doubt it's much lower per capita than the US, but not many people are buying it from GW Canada.