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2014/02/25 16:21:04
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March.
haters gonna hate, whiners gonna whine. Nothing new in the internet. I usually visit forums to see opinions of people who like the same hobbies as I do. There will be always haters but you just have to skip their posts if you don't like them, or read them and laugh at them. Sometimes they have valuable info but most of the time is just hate.
OT:My group is excited with this release and some are returning to the game because of this release. I will wait a couple of months to buy mine to see if I can get a lower price on it. I don't plan to make it into an army tho, maybe an ally to my space marines or imperial guard. I'm even thinking of getting the damn sister's codex and ally it to my metal nuns.
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2014/02/25 16:24:56
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March.
Soooooo, what your saying is knights can't be allies with sisters or tau?
DId you have to quote the whole damn thing? Ugh
Just feedin' the thread
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2014/02/25 16:35:13
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March.
Re: Tasty's blog- I think it's more a sign of how much goodwill GW has thrown away with it's community than anything else. With other companies, these sorts of things would be forgiven, but when GW has already annoyed you more than once, it's easier to have a go at them than let it slide.
I am getting sick of reading "Haters blah blah" and "White knights blah blah", though. I like reading commentary about the miniatures, not commentary about the commentary (which I am now contributing to, I realise. Oh well.).
I will definitely drop down to the GW to see these things in person. I think the rest of the package offered (ie. the game of 40K as it stands) is enough to put me off buying one, but I will be tempted. I avoided PP's colossals due to the size and concerns over the material on such expensive models, but this thing is in hard plastic and looks great. If I could use it in a game I enjoyed, I would put some cash aside and get one.
Da Boss wrote: Re: Tasty's blog- I think it's more a sign of how much goodwill GW has thrown away with it's community than anything else. With other companies, these sorts of things would be forgiven, but when GW has already annoyed you more than once, it's easier to have a go at them than let it slide.
Except this same 'commentary' has been ongoing for 20 years. So I don't think the 'threw away their goodwill' answer works here.
I know, I know, it's the internet. People bitch on the internet. Still, it is tiresome. (On both sides)
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2014/02/25 16:38:59
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March.
Fishboy wrote: I agree with him a bit though. We moan that GW makes rules with no model and call them stupid. Then we moan that releases are slow because they cant make all the models for a codex and they are trying to catch up, then we moan that GW makes models with no rules.
I think they did a lot right with this release. They teased us, got us all worked up, and got a large group of people excited for the new model/unit/codex. Now we moan that we cant get all the info right away hehe.
We are a hard group to please
Not really, if you think about it!
2014/02/25 16:44:49
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March.
Da Boss wrote: Re: Tasty's blog- I think it's more a sign of how much goodwill GW has thrown away with it's community than anything else. With other companies, these sorts of things would be forgiven, but when GW has already annoyed you more than once, it's easier to have a go at them than let it slide.
Except this same 'commentary' has been ongoing for 20 years. So I don't think the 'threw away their goodwill' answer works here.
I know, I know, it's the internet. People bitch on the internet. Still, it is tiresome. (On both sides)
I've been browsing fora related to GW products for about a decade, and I think the general disillusion with GW has never been as high as it currently is.
It is very tiresome though. I try to stay out of it, and definitely out of calling others out for their views.
This release is awesome though. I can't emphasise enough how well they've hooked my inner teenager with this one
Gotta say I like it more than Dreamforge's offering, too, though their kit is superb as well. I just love the style of it. Sometimes they go OTT these days, but this time they stopped just exactly AT the top.
I'd say the Knight model shows that we are an easy group to please, the bad bit came when the rules were seemingly being bungled and/or rushed.
So anybody still not put off about buying Knights have any ideas of colour schemes or themes that they are planning?
I'm thinking of a Mechanicus Alligned force that has worked closely with the Iron Hands and incorporated some of their Heraldry. Probably use the FW brass etch and transfers. Black, White and Steel perhaps with the occasional red armour plate.
Still wondering about how easy it's going to be to leave the "shields" off the weapons. I really hope they aren't integral, but I think they are after studying the GW site pictures. The reason behind leaving them off would be to give them more of a Titan like feel and also to allow for some variety by swapping arms on either side of the Knight without having wonky shield symmetry problems.
Alpharius wrote:Not really, if you think about it!
We kind of are. The book and model aren't even out yet and the world is ending for a lot of posters. As much as I agree that GW's information policy is bad, I think that if they gave out free BJs and Kittens with their previews, people would still go ape-gak until they were actually in stores.
Da Boss wrote:I've been browsing fora related to GW products for about a decade, and I think the general disillusion with GW has never been as high as it currently is.
I would argue that that is impossible to prove. What I can do is find you examples from the late 90's of people making the exact same arguments about why GW is the devil and their games are going down the crapper and how it is the end of times. Heck, you can do it, just set the google filter to 1990-1999.
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2014/02/25 16:47:44
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March.
I think, were I to pick one up, I'd have to go for traditional Mechanicus red.
Of course, I'd also have to make myself an army to go along with it, that's the problem!
Edit: Pretre, of course, you may be right. I am definitely coloured by my own disillusionment with GW. It's nothing severe, I just don't like the prices or the tone of the releases from Blood Angels/Grey Knights in 5th onwards. I don't really "hate" GW, but I am definitely not as enthusiastic as I was.
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Medium of Death wrote: I'd say the Knight model shows that we are an easy group to please, the bad bit came when the rules were seemingly being bungled and/or rushed.
This is the problem right here. The rules aren't out yet, we have a release list and don't even know what is in the books and people are saying they are being bungled/rushed. Give it a week.
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2014/02/25 16:57:27
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March.
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2014/02/25 17:00:50
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March.
Medium of Death wrote: I'd say the Knight model shows that we are an easy group to please, the bad bit came when the rules were seemingly being bungled and/or rushed.
This is the problem right here. The rules aren't out yet, we have a release list and don't even know what is in the books and people are saying they are being bungled/rushed. Give it a week.
Every single rule in 6th edition has been bungled and / or rushed, it really isn't a very big stretch of the imagination to say that the same thing will happen to these ones...
Its the people that claiming that this time... this time it will somehow all be different that I find puzzling.
2014/01/25 17:02:36
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March.
PhantomViper wrote: Every single rule in 6th edition has been bungled and / or rushed, it really isn't a very big stretch of the imagination to say that the same thing will happen to these ones...
Right. I think you forgot to put a 'literally' and about ten exclamation points in there.
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2014/02/25 17:26:01
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March.
Alpharius wrote:Not really, if you think about it!
We kind of are. The book and model aren't even out yet and the world is ending for a lot of posters. As much as I agree that GW's information policy is bad, I think that if they gave out free BJs and Kittens with their previews, people would still go ape-gak until they were actually in stores.
Ah, but what if those kittens have been microwaved, hmm? Plenty of justifiable outrage then.
I'd like to believe that there's a purpose behind FW's recent Ad Mech push. But then that could still be completely unrelated to the Knights codex...instead being just FW pushing Ad Mech to collectors who've had their appetite whetted by the Knight kit.
We really aren't going to know until we start getting book scans or see for ourselves, so I dunno how this is something to get worked up over right now.
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Ordered mine from Darksphere. Will likely end up painting him to match my Iron Hands on the basis of liberating a knight protected colony during the siege and securing a mutual alliance going forwards.
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2014/02/25 17:34:52
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March.
PhantomViper wrote: Every single rule in 6th edition has been bungled and / or rushed, it really isn't a very big stretch of the imagination to say that the same thing will happen to these ones...
Right. I think you forgot to put a 'literally' and about ten exclamation points in there.
Feel free to provide examples to support your claims, I won't hold my breath, I promise.
2014/02/25 17:38:29
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March.
Medium of Death wrote: I'd say the Knight model shows that we are an easy group to please, the bad bit came when the rules were seemingly being bungled and/or rushed.
This is the problem right here. The rules aren't out yet, we have a release list and don't even know what is in the books and people are saying they are being bungled/rushed. Give it a week.
Every single rule in 6th edition has been bungled and / or rushed, it really isn't a very big stretch of the imagination to say that the same thing will happen to these ones...
Its the people that claiming that this time... this time it will somehow all be different that I find puzzling.
They want internal justification for spending 140$ on a model that is similar in size to a trygon that is half the price :p
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2014/02/25 17:40:13
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March.
PhantomViper wrote: Every single rule in 6th edition has been bungled and / or rushed, it really isn't a very big stretch of the imagination to say that the same thing will happen to these ones...
Right. I think you forgot to put a 'literally' and about ten exclamation points in there.
Feel free to provide examples to support your claims, I won't hold my breath, I promise.
Every single rule in 6th edition has literally been bungled and/or rushed, it was a slap in the face!!!! It isn't a very big stretch of the imagination to say the same thing will happen to these ones... OMG, Ward, Fineco$t, price rises.
Not sure which example you were looking for, but I think the above shows how you could have been more over the top.
As for good rules, there are plenty of them. I happen to enjoy most of 6th edition, so from my perspective (and I'm guessing others) most of it has not been bungled.
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2014/02/25 17:45:50
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March.
PhantomViper wrote: Every single rule in 6th edition has been bungled and / or rushed, it really isn't a very big stretch of the imagination to say that the same thing will happen to these ones...
Right. I think you forgot to put a 'literally' and about ten exclamation points in there.
Feel free to provide examples to support your claims, I won't hold my breath, I promise.
Every single rule in 6th edition has literally been bungled and/or rushed, it was a slap in the face!!!! It isn't a very big stretch of the imagination to say the same thing will happen to these ones... OMG, Ward, Fineco$t, price rises.
Not sure which example you were looking for, but I think the above shows how you could have been more over the top.
As for good rules, there are plenty of them. I happen to enjoy most of 6th edition, so from my perspective (and I'm guessing others) most of it has not been bungled.
Agreed, 6th has been fun for me and the group i play with (we aren't in the competitive 40k crowd so no hating or bitching here). I also can't wait for the release of the Knights. They look cool, and seem to be fluff and crunch wise, to be the Imperium steping their game up with monster mash becoming more common (aka the counter to WKs and Riptides). Sounds fluffy to me with 40k constantly T-1 minute to midnight.
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2014/02/25 17:59:53
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - Pre Orders Available, New Pics Available On GW Site
MeanGreenStompa wrote: I am curious as to how GW will even come close to stabilizing the game now, it feels like it's jumped the shark since escalation and I don't know how they will get the rabbit back in the box, short of some truly draconian cut to superheavies and such in the next edition to render them all near useless again and put people off taking them... I just don't see anything like a thoughtful or strategic game coming of all these recent shifts, but a sort of putting everything on the table and making 'pew pew' noises.
I am having some difficulty justifying this path to myself as a gamer and someone who maintains that what I do is 'mature, strategic, requires intellect, is competitive etc' when it now just looks like total chaos on the table. What is the point of a FOC? What is the reasoning behind troops scoring when elites can't but a superheavy walker can? Why on earth did someone think that introducing D weaponry to the standard game was going to work or be enjoyable to play?
It all feels adrift atm, I am wondering where we will shore up. I can only think at this time that the release of a streamlined and more 'sensible' game system within 40k, perhaps as a supplement for use in tourneys and such, is the way to bring some clarity back to the game, I really have never seen anything like this in my 27 years using games workshop's systems.
It leaves me deeply concerned over the future of the game, it feels like wild threshing about and desperation.
Yes, this basically. The more things GW release for 40K, the less interested I am about going back to it. I've never been into the competitive scene, but I still like playing games where there is at least a feel that both sides are on an equal footing.
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The kits nice. To rich for my blood though. Our play group doesnt use any of the expansions or the data slates sooo paying 140 for a model that'll just sit in a n shelf for me is to high. I'd rather fill out my ultra marines more.
is a good kit though and I'm pleasantly surprised by the paint jobs on them. Very nice.
2014/02/25 18:27:09
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March.
PhantomViper wrote: Every single rule in 6th edition has been bungled and / or rushed, it really isn't a very big stretch of the imagination to say that the same thing will happen to these ones...
Right. I think you forgot to put a 'literally' and about ten exclamation points in there.
Feel free to provide examples to support your claims, I won't hold my breath, I promise.
Every single rule in 6th edition has literally been bungled and/or rushed, it was a slap in the face!!!! It isn't a very big stretch of the imagination to say the same thing will happen to these ones... OMG, Ward, Fineco$t, price rises.
Not sure which example you were looking for, but I think the above shows how you could have been more over the top.
As for good rules, there are plenty of them. I happen to enjoy most of 6th edition, so from my perspective (and I'm guessing others) most of it has not been bungled.
Just realized that I said "rules", when I meant "rules release", and for some of you more literally minded folks apparently it is a big jump to arrive to that interpretation from the context of the discussion.
And I'm glad that you like 6th so much, it really is the bestest edition ever, making GW bucket loads of cash and grabbing new players everywhere! Keep manning those walls pretre, but don't forget to take some mortar with you while you're there because the cracks in them are beginning to be a bit big...
2014/02/25 18:30:08
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March.
Just realized that I said "rules", when I meant "rules release", and for some of you more literally minded folks apparently it is a big jump to arrive to that interpretation from the context of the discussion.
And I'm glad that you like 6th so much, it really is the bestest edition ever, making GW bucket loads of cash and grabbing new players everywhere! Keep manning those walls pretre, but don't forget to take some mortar with you while you're there because the cracks in them are beginning to be a bit big...
I understood what you were saying and I'll say the same about rules release if you want it clearer. I have been happy with the rules releases as well. But feel free to discount my opinion (and the others with positive opinions) because we're 'manning the walls'.
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2014/02/25 18:30:54
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March.
What would be cool is if the "Companion Guide" had a seperate minigame in it for detailed mech combat ala Adeptus Titanicus (only less confusing), or Battletech.
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2014/02/25 18:35:26
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March.
Medium of Death wrote: I'd say the Knight model shows that we are an easy group to please, the bad bit came when the rules were seemingly being bungled and/or rushed.
So anybody still not put off about buying Knights have any ideas of colour schemes or themes that they are planning?
I'm thinking of a Mechanicus Alligned force that has worked closely with the Iron Hands and incorporated some of their Heraldry. Probably use the FW brass etch and transfers. Black, White and Steel perhaps with the occasional red armour plate.
Still wondering about how easy it's going to be to leave the "shields" off the weapons. I really hope they aren't integral, but I think they are after studying the GW site pictures. The reason behind leaving them off would be to give them more of a Titan like feel and also to allow for some variety by swapping arms on either side of the Knight without having wonky shield symmetry problems.
If they can actually go with any army as rumored I plan to convert a few up for my DE. I have a freind already looking for a pirate hat to add one to his orcs hehe.
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2014/02/25 18:40:33
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March.
I play Tyranids, Eldar and Tau. Almost nothing Imperial interests me. But I acknowledge that this model fits the Imperial aestetique and many people like it.
I just don't want super heavies and titan sized models in standard games, not even Riptides and Wraithknights. If the game is just about buying and fielding the most Apocalypse-sized units, with ordinary armies just watching helplessly, it isn't a game anymore.
pretre wrote:
Medium of Death wrote: I'd say the Knight model shows that we are an easy group to please, the bad bit came when the rules were seemingly being bungled and/or rushed.
This is the problem right here. The rules aren't out yet, we have a release list and don't even know what is in the books and people are saying they are being bungled/rushed. Give it a week.
The rules are out officially, as officially they are included in the WD. Minus some things they "forgot".
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