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Re house Mortimer how much do you guys wanna bet that the new fluff reads they where hurt a genestealer infestation and now hate the 'nids and their house logo is to remind them to stay vigilant or something.

I don't think that House Mortimer has transfers for these new kits. I had a look at both transfer sheets and couldn't see anything.

You might be right about the fluff though, they may either have been infiltrated by Genestealers and destroyed or have some Tyranid fighting connection. There is a transfer of a mailed fist holding a dragon/snake so that could be a redesigned House Mortimer icon.

An army of knights? Maybe we might be getting some mechanicus troops as well but seriously £85 each who the hell is going to field an entire army of them, although I suppose most of us have more money than sense. I saw "rapid fire battle cannon" on their GW site entry and felt my dark eldar start to slowly weep, I have heard rumours that any army will be able to use them, no idea how this will work but they look good and if I still had a well paid job I might be tempted to get one.

I will have the army of them...I have no money and no sense hehe.

I will however wait until the codex comes out before I paint or do any conversions. I too have a DE army that could use a little muscle

 FURIOSO wrote:
An army of knights? Maybe we might be getting some mechanicus troops as well but seriously £85 each who the hell is going to field an entire army of them, although I suppose most of us have more money than sense. I saw "rapid fire battle cannon" on their GW site entry and felt my dark eldar start to slowly weep, I have heard rumours that any army will be able to use them, no idea how this will work but they look good and if I still had a well paid job I might be tempted to get one.

I don't think it's all that expensive compared to a guard army or a Tyranid army (haven't calculated it... just guessing based off how empty my wallet feels every time I buy more IG or Tyranids, lol).

 FURIOSO wrote:
An army of knights? Maybe we might be getting some mechanicus troops as well but seriously £85 each who the hell is going to field an entire army of them, although I suppose most of us have more money than sense...

Given that you'll only get 4 of them in a 1500 point army, it's not really that expensive compared to other armies.


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 pretre wrote:
...and then there are people who are saying that the rules are crap or that it is a book with two units without seeing the rules or the book.

Yeah, it is a little peculiar how when GW previews something, people form an opinion based on that preview.


No, wait... that's not peculiar at all. The entire point of a preview is to showcase the new release. So yes, people formed an opinion based on the rules as they were presented, because GW put them out there and said 'Hey, check out these rules!'. And they gave absolutely no indication that there will be anything other than the two knight variants in the codex.

Not really, but we're talking about different things. There's a difference, again, between reasonable criticism and gratuitous and repetitive hyperbole. That's what I'm talking about.

Indeed there is. For former, for example, would be like reading rules presented as a preview and pointing out that you don't think they are very good, or a good thing for the game overall. The latter would be like, say, seeing people putting forward their opinion on said previewed rules and announcing that those people are just mindless 'haters' or are screaming that the sky is falling...

Every single thing that GW does is magnified into a huge gaffe both because of their information policy, and because of the nature of the commentary on this site and others. .

Yes, that's entirely the point. People form an opinion based on the information that GW give us. When GW don't give us complete information, that means that people will be forming an opinion based on the information that they have, because they have no way of knowing that there is anything more to it.

To take the Knight Codex example, if there are other units in there, then a simple mention in the White Dwarf preview that there would be some sort of auxiliary options or whatever would have been enough if they didn't want to spoil details of what those units were... just the mention that there would be something other than the one model with two different guns. They didn't do that... and so people concluded that there would just be those two units, because there is no indication of this not being the case.

That's not people being unreasonable. That's the situation that GW create with their chosen release methodology.

Well, it doesn't help its only a 64 page codex, which implies theres not a lot of rules content in there considering the codex standard is 100 pages.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Well, it doesn't help its only a 64 page codex, which implies theres not a lot of rules content in there considering the codex standard is 100 pages.

It also didn't help that the sprues were shown and we saw that there were only the two options.

So it's a shorter Codex that's still full price?

Well this just gets better and better...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So it's a shorter Codex that's still full price?

Well just gets better and better...

No, it is $41.

Where's the best UK webstore to buy these? I saw Darksphere mentioned in this thread but they charge £10 delivery from what I can see.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Well, it doesn't help its only a 64 page codex, which implies theres not a lot of rules content in there considering the codex standard is 100 pages.

It's got to be a almost 64 pages of nothing but rules though.

The fluff part comes in a $75 book released at roughly the same time.

Are there precedents in the GW range of kits doing double duty, cross-codex, nowadays? Aside from the baseline SM kits, aren't most of them codex-specific? Again, not that I want to move goalposts, but I'm talking physical codex, not digital only. I know that Inquisition can pick and choose from many codices (codexes, codii, cod pieces?)

If there were to be auxilia to Knights, in the form of new kits, I think we'd have had leaks about them by now.

But for all we know, in this time of relative-upheaval of release schedules, they might buck the trend and show us page after page of Cadians in heraldic uniforms. Bretonnians... with guns!!!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So it's a shorter Codex that's still full price?

Well this just gets better and better...

It's about four fifths the price.

They're seriously releasing an entire codex just for one model?

What's next? Codex: Electro Priests? Codex: Squig Hounds?

I can't think of anything like this other than Codex: Assassins, and that was 5 minis, at least (and free with White Dwarf in 3rd edition).

 FURIOSO wrote:
An army of knights? Maybe we might be getting some mechanicus troops as well but seriously £85 each who the hell is going to field an entire army of them, although I suppose most of us have more money than sense. I saw "rapid fire battle cannon" on their GW site entry and felt my dark eldar start to slowly weep, I have heard rumours that any army will be able to use them, no idea how this will work but they look good and if I still had a well paid job I might be tempted to get one.

There will always be someone. As I said earlier, some dude at my local store preordered five of them.

JWBS wrote:
Where's the best UK webstore to buy these? I saw Darksphere mentioned in this thread but they charge £10 delivery from what I can see.

Element games £68each, £70. 95 inc postage, free shipping if order over £80 and a cash back referal scheme.

JWBS wrote:
Where's the best UK webstore to buy these? I saw Darksphere mentioned in this thread but they charge £10 delivery from what I can see.

I use Gaming Figures - £72.25 inc P&P - http://gamingfigures.com/viewProducts.asp?action=advance
Check them out. I've always got great service from them.
Addition discount for orders over £100 then £200.

via Father Gabe on Faeit 212
I have had a chance to skim through my advanced copy of Codex: Imperial Knight. Here are the highlights:
1) For non-Imperial Knight armies...you can get up to 3 as a separate detachment. This is a separate detachment from allies and lord of war...which is the new template I am guessing we will see in future codexes...sorry everyone Escalation is standard. Unless of course I looked at that box wrong...

2) Datasheets. There is a section in the codex, after organization chart, that covers Datasheets. None are mentioned but looks like these will be popping up in books...sorry everyone that don't consider them official, etc...

3) Ally Matrix:
Battle Brothers: Everyone Else
Allies of Convenience: Eldar,Grey Knights
Desperate Allies: Tau, Dark Eldar
Apocalypse: Orks, Necrons, Chaos Demons, Chaos Space Marines, Tyranids

4) Primary Detachment: 3 - 6 Imperial Knights. 1 is the designated Warlord (roll on Imperial Knight Warlord Trait table...yep Warlord Traits).
Additionally: Your remaining Imperial Knights in the Primary formation can roll on the Knight Apparent/Knight Seneschal chart. 1 - Knight is -1 WS/BS, Ion Shield is 5+ now. 2-5 Your an Imperial Knight. 6 - Knight is +1 WS/BS, Ion Shield is 3+ now.

5) Concerning Warlord Traits: They range up and down from being useful to 'meh'. Examples: +1" to Run/Charge range. +1 to Building Damage Chart. My favorite: Warlord gains It Will Not Die!

6) Let me stop all the questions now ladies and gentleman. Cannot show pictures. There are no other unit entries for Adeptus Mechanicum or Freeblades. They are not even listed on the ally chart.

7) The Companion Guide is amazingly beautiful for coffee table style books. Its a big book, lots of pretty pictures, etc. It does not contain rules but for collectors its a nice buy. Average guy might not buy it but dedicated collectors will want to order it. I recommend ordering it in a Games Workshop, ship to the store for safety and protection of the book.

Oh the amount of bs in this Codex is too damn high!!!

Wait, wait, wait. So you pay points for a unit, and then roll on a chart that actually reduces its stats?

Nope.

Nope, nope, nope.

That's not rules design. That's bull gak.



And the Dark Eldar and Tau will happily get with the Knights, but there are no Chaos Knights at all?

*stares off into the middle distance*

What has happened to 40K?

This is the moment 40k died, right here, dead. Call it hyperbole but I actually now do heavily suspect that they've let go most of the design team and it's now jervis and a hand full of a web guys and or interns doing whatever the boardroom commands.

This is beyond stupid and the fact that they're expecting players to pay 4/5's the price of a codex, something that used to represent a good deal of time and effort on the studios part is beyond absurd, it's downright fething horrid.



Before all this escalation bs playing a game against a new opponent wasn't nearly the political mindfield it is today. What was different you ask? Apoc was a seperate game from 40k. I knew bs like allies and fortifications would be s sign of gakky things to come for 40k but I never imagined they'd go full stupid.

As far as I am concerned and likely for my group if someone want's to buy, convert and paint a Knight to fit in a themed list I frankly don't give a toss about the ally chart!

You converted a looted knight, congrats you now have a battle brother for an orc army. You pussed it up and painted it ooze colour, congrats you now have a battle brother knight for your nurgle army!

Anyone else feel the same way?

So it really is a 'Codex' with only a single model?

bodazoka wrote:

Anyone else feel the same way?

No.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

via Father Gabe on Faeit 212
I have had a chance to skim through my advanced copy of Codex: Imperial Knight. Here are the highlights:
1) For non-Imperial Knight armies...you can get up to 3 as a separate detachment. This is a separate detachment from allies and lord of war...which is the new template I am guessing we will see in future codexes...sorry everyone Escalation is standard. Unless of course I looked at that box wrong...

2) Datasheets. There is a section in the codex, after organization chart, that covers Datasheets. None are mentioned but looks like these will be popping up in books...sorry everyone that don't consider them official, etc...

3) Ally Matrix:
Battle Brothers: Everyone Else
Allies of Convenience: Eldar,Grey Knights
Desperate Allies: Tau, Dark Eldar
Apocalypse: Orks, Necrons, Chaos Demons, Chaos Space Marines, Tyranids

4) Primary Detachment: 3 - 6 Imperial Knights. 1 is the designated Warlord (roll on Imperial Knight Warlord Trait table...yep Warlord Traits).
Additionally: Your remaining Imperial Knights in the Primary formation can roll on the Knight Apparent/Knight Seneschal chart. 1 - Knight is -1 WS/BS, Ion Shield is 5+ now. 2-5 Your an Imperial Knight. 6 - Knight is +1 WS/BS, Ion Shield is 3+ now.

5) Concerning Warlord Traits: They range up and down from being useful to 'meh'. Examples: +1" to Run/Charge range. +1 to Building Damage Chart. My favorite: Warlord gains It Will Not Die!

6) Let me stop all the questions now ladies and gentleman. Cannot show pictures. There are no other unit entries for Adeptus Mechanicum or Freeblades. They are not even listed on the ally chart.

7) The Companion Guide is amazingly beautiful for coffee table style books. Its a big book, lots of pretty pictures, etc. It does not contain rules but for collectors its a nice buy. Average guy might not buy it but dedicated collectors will want to order it. I recommend ordering it in a Games Workshop, ship to the store for safety and protection of the book.

Oh the amount of bs in this Codex is too damn high!!!

Wait, hold on, stop the presses...

Space marines can not be come the Apocalypse. Absolutely not, 0 chance of that happening. Nuh-uh. Nope.

EDIT: D'oh, that's Chaos... crisis gone folks!

Either way, sounds silly. That Knight table sounds bonkers.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wait, wait, wait. So you pay points for a unit, and then roll on a chart that actually reduces its stats?

Nope.

Nope, nope, nope.

That's not rules design. That's bull gak.

If you HAD to I'd agree,

but no you CAN gamble on getting a better more powerful Knight at the risk of getting a less powerful one, your choice

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Where's the best UK webstore to buy these? I saw Darksphere mentioned in this thread but they charge £10 delivery from what I can see.

Element games £68each, £70. 95 inc postage, free shipping if order over £80 and a cash back referal scheme.

bubber wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Where's the best UK webstore to buy these? I saw Darksphere mentioned in this thread but they charge £10 delivery from what I can see.

I use Gaming Figures - £72.25 inc P&P - http://gamingfigures.com/viewProducts.asp?action=advance
Check them out. I've always got great service from them.
Addition discount for orders over £100 then £200.

Thanks for the suggestions.

Its still bad, its not like you get a discount on Point for this, nor i admit you pay more.

But still.

Why not simply do like in IA2 second edition?, you pay Titles or Legacies or Battles Feats for your machine that give a bonus and a malus of some sort, that would have been interesting, not this.

And that Ally chart...

Even if yes its better to have its own rules for a Chaos Knight, it wouldn't have Hurt to let them be Allies of Conviniance, it would have boosted the sales, a lot of CSm players where ready to buy it, Or if they where smart make a Twin release, Imperial Knights Codex and Chaos Knights Codex this Month, seeing how poor the content of the dex is, it wouldn't have asked too much work on their part, Copy/paste all rules, change names from Imperial to Chaos/Hel/Skull/Blood and FLuff and voila!, but nope, CSM once again gotta wait dark Gods Balls Who knows how many weeks/months/years for this...

And this "Third Detachement syndrome" once again?...

So Imperials gets Sm main army, with Tau/Eldar Allies, with a Fireblade Formation, Inquisitors allies AND Knights formation...

This has gone flying rodent gak nuts...

If I'm using Knights I plan on running a full army of them. They really wont be that expensive, you can pick them up for around £65-£70, considering I'm guessing it'll take me a month or two to finish 1 of these things I'm not worrying.

I'm not sure how I feel about the veracity of a rumour from someone on Natfka claiming they have a Codex of any flavour 10 days early.

While not impossible, certainly seems mostly plausible in fact, but then that's the art of good trolling, I'd season this pretty heavily until it is corroborated somewhere else.