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2014/02/27 00:28:19
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March. Cover Art Leaked 25/02 OP updated.
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2014/02/27 00:30:12
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March. Cover Art Leaked 25/02 OP updated.
HisDivineShadow wrote: I have no idea why you linked a wiki page that has basically zero information. Corroborating your statement or otherwise.
My guess would be this part...
"The arms of House Mortimer are a purple Tyranid bioform on a field of yellow."
Goodness, I am reaching deep into my memory, I played 40k and epic since it all started. House Mortimer, the archfather got involved with a genestealer cult... there was fluff in titan rulebooks, 1st and 2nd tyranid edition codexes....
Regarding Mortimer & Genestealer cult, the fluff was in one of these mentioned books/mags -
It even included rules for a "Transport Coven Limousine." Later, in the first Codex Tyranids, these rules were incorporated as the "Genestealer Cult Army List" and included all of the characters in their previous form sans Limousine.
In the Codex for 3rd Edition, there were no rules provided for the Genestealer Cults. With the introduction of the Broodlord in 4th Edition, Genestealers could once again be fielded as their own army. Before the 4th edition introduced new sculpts for them, the 3rd edition Genestealers were the oldest models in use to date, being the same designs used in Rogue Trader and the Space Hulk game."
Those limousines were wicked.
Oh OT, anyways how quickly can we expect 3rd part conversion parts or a cheaper 2 legged vehicle that is not called a knight.
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I've been looking kind of side-eyes at everybody angry about the "one unit codex" before we knew ANYTHING about it really, but if naftka's guy is right about this, I'm ready to chuck this into the pit with the unused Escalation books in it. The good news is, I guess, there's still no reason to go too apey, on account of you can still easily just not play with this disaster of a book if you don't want to. Based on this rumor though, there is no other way to describe this or sugar-coat it: this is a total disaster.
2014/02/27 00:42:48
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March. Cover Art Leaked 25/02 OP updated.
Couple years ago when iron man movie came out I thought "wow, a little conversion and I'll have a small war hound/ knight for my chaos army using the 6" tall iron monger", now I'll have official rules for him
Here he's painted up with iron warrior colors next to my crusader. He will be same height as the knight.
And I'll just field him using codex space marines(iron warriors) with knight allies.
You can find these guys still on eBay for $20.00
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2014/02/27 00:54:38
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March. Cover Art Leaked 25/02 OP updated.
Your saying one of your mates puts that much effort into a conversion and your not going to let him play it?
Glad you are not in my gaming group!
Also, those new rumors sound like absolute BS... advanced copy of the codex? the only people that have been getting things like that over the last 6 months are 40K radio.
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2014/02/27 01:06:31
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March. Cover Art Leaked 25/02 OP updated.
I can now have an army of giant robots and fight against someone else with an army of giant robots!
This has got to be the greatest new idea in tabletop war games ever!
2014/02/27 01:12:33
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March. Cover Art Leaked 25/02 OP updated.
Alabaster.clown wrote: I can now have an army of giant robots and fight against someone else with an army of giant robots!
This has got to be the greatest new idea in tabletop war games ever!
You would have loved Adeptus Titanicus back when it was available...and that game in itself proves that this is not a "new idea"!
I'm presuming your post has a fair slab of sarcasm attached...
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2014/02/27 01:13:12
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March. Cover Art Leaked 25/02 OP updated.
bodazoka wrote: Your saying one of your mates puts that much effort into a conversion and your not going to let him play it?
Glad you are not in my gaming group!.
I suspect that you would find quite a few gaming groups scattered around who would be reluctant to accept 'But I built it, and that was hard!' as a valid reason for ignoring the rules...
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2014/02/27 01:15:37
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March. Cover Art Leaked 25/02 OP updated.
If that allies list isn't complete hogwash, I'm pretty ticked about CSM not being able to take them. I'd say "surely there will be a chaos version at some point", but I feel it more likely they're saying "well, they've got the Khornemower, so CSM are covered for SHVs for a goodly while".
No. No, no McNo. I don't do fething Khorne, I don't do Nurgle, I'd happily convert a Tzeentch or Slaanesh version my own self, but I don't care for Khorne or Nurgle, so no mower, thank you. Give me the ability to take a Knight from a house that went traitor, for heaven's sake!
2014/02/27 01:22:00
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March. Cover Art Leaked 25/02 OP updated.
Your saying one of your mates puts that much effort into a conversion and your not going to let him play it?
Glad you are not in my gaming group!
Also, those new rumors sound like absolute BS... advanced copy of the codex? the only people that have been getting things like that over the last 6 months are 40K radio.
"Glad you are not in my gaming group!"
See, that's the problem, even though I can rationalize that most of my regular opponents that make up my gaming group have no intention to play escalation/apoc, the pool is shrinking, people are moving on to other things and it's largely on account of recent developments. It's now a political nightmare to get a game in with new people and new groups and that problem is only further compounded with every week that sees a new release. I wish it was a simple dychotomy but there's so much crap in 40k now that every group has its own biases, there's no baseline anymore, no standard and it's destructive as hell.
Apocalypse was fine, it was there for the fluffy/fun/borderline personality crowd to enjoy, now apparently we all have to play your game or we're whiners or horrible people.
I feel as though this seemingly unrelated honest trailer for pacific rim says a lot about the state of 40k at the moment. Giant robots are cool but you can only ignore "the stupid" for so long.
Spoiler:
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Do you play 30k? It'd be a lot cooler if you did.
2014/02/27 01:23:17
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March. Cover Art Leaked 25/02 OP updated.
via Father Gabe on Faeit 212
I have had a chance to skim through my advanced copy of Codex: Imperial Knight. Here are the highlights:
1) For non-Imperial Knight armies...you can get up to 3 as a separate detachment. This is a separate detachment from allies and lord of war...which is the new template I am guessing we will see in future codexes...sorry everyone Escalation is standard. Unless of course I looked at that box wrong...
2) Datasheets. There is a section in the codex, after organization chart, that covers Datasheets. None are mentioned but looks like these will be popping up in books...sorry everyone that don't consider them official, etc...
3) Ally Matrix:
Battle Brothers: Everyone Else
Allies of Convenience: Eldar,Grey Knights
Desperate Allies: Tau, Dark Eldar
Apocalypse: Orks, Necrons, Chaos Demons, Chaos Space Marines, Tyranids
4) Primary Detachment: 3 - 6 Imperial Knights. 1 is the designated Warlord (roll on Imperial Knight Warlord Trait table...yep Warlord Traits).
Additionally: Your remaining Imperial Knights in the Primary formation can roll on the Knight Apparent/Knight Seneschal chart. 1 - Knight is -1 WS/BS, Ion Shield is 5+ now. 2-5 Your an Imperial Knight. 6 - Knight is +1 WS/BS, Ion Shield is 3+ now.
5) Concerning Warlord Traits: They range up and down from being useful to 'meh'. Examples: +1" to Run/Charge range. +1 to Building Damage Chart. My favorite: Warlord gains It Will Not Die!
6) Let me stop all the questions now ladies and gentleman. Cannot show pictures. There are no other unit entries for Adeptus Mechanicum or Freeblades. They are not even listed on the ally chart.
7) The Companion Guide is amazingly beautiful for coffee table style books. Its a big book, lots of pretty pictures, etc. It does not contain rules but for collectors its a nice buy. Average guy might not buy it but dedicated collectors will want to order it. I recommend ordering it in a Games Workshop, ship to the store for safety and protection of the book.
Oh the amount of bs in this Codex is too damn high!!!
If this is all true, I'm rather disappointed.
2014/02/27 01:27:05
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March. Cover Art Leaked 25/02 OP updated.
Just checked Father Gabe on the rumourtracker, 100% true on everything he's ever fed Natfka.
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I have to roll on a table to make my knights WORSE?
That is the dumbest thing I've ever seen.
Is GW unwilling to write rules that might potentially be good or bad? That is all I see with warlord traits and this new d6 table.
"Some of these warlord traits might be OP in certain armies. Solution: make it random!"
"If we write in rules to let you take your knights as all hardened veterans that might prove to be OP! What if we don't get the points costs right? Make it random!"
They could have easily written in one paragraph saying that noob knights cost 40 points less, and leader boss knights cost 60 points more, for their respective points costs... but no, let's just make you roll for it every fething time?
What if I paint my knights up with heraldry that indicates they are veterans? They still have a 1/6 chance each game of being idiots?
These knight models are amazing but they dropped the ball so hard on the rules side of things that I don't even know what to think any more. Whoever determined the rules content direction of this Knights release has done the model designing side such a disservice it's ridiculous. They should be straight up fired.
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2014/02/27 01:37:14
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March. Cover Art Leaked 25/02 OP updated.
ph34r wrote: I have to roll on a table to make my knights WORSE?
That is the dumbest thing I've ever seen.
Is GW unwilling to write rules that might potentially be good or bad? That is all I see with warlord traits and this new d6 table.
They could have easily written in one paragraph saying that noob knights cost 40 points less, and leader boss knights cost 60 points more, for their respective points costs... but no, let's just make you roll for it every fething time?
What if I paint my knights up with heraldry that indicates they are veterans? They still have a 1/6 chance each game of being idiots?
These knight models are amazing but they dropped the ball so hard on the rules side of things that I don't even know what to think any more. Whoever determined the rules content direction of this Knights release has done the model designing side such a disservice it's ridiculous. They should be straight up fired.
It is written as a choice, rather than a compulsion.
Agreed it is gakky unimaginative rules writing though.
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The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
And for a Codex with a single unit, having different types (stats and rules based on points costs, even if the weapons are the same) would have been easy.
But no, we get an expensive hard-cover book and then another expensive hard-cover book for all the background. I look forward to the "companion" books for future Codices. And then the inevitable Limited Edition companion books.
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bodazoka wrote: Your saying one of your mates puts that much effort into a conversion and your not going to let him play it?
Glad you are not in my gaming group!.
I suspect that you would find quite a few gaming groups scattered around who would be reluctant to accept 'But I built it, and that was hard!' as a valid reason for ignoring the rules...
You are not giving someone enough credit "that was hard" doesn't reflect the time and effort people put into converting and painting these things.. Have you seen the ork looted tyranid models, looted bane blades? you are not right in the head (don't mean you specifically) if you wouldn't let your mate play something like that! There's a guy who converted all of his orc's to look like Tau models and play's them as a Tau army!
It's hardly ignoring the rules! It's a slight change to the FOC.. and even TO's are "ignoring" rules now to make the game more fun!!
2014/02/27 01:53:26
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March. Cover Art Leaked 25/02 OP updated.
Would you play against someone who built a 6' x 1" void shield generator and then placed their whole Tau gunline under it's protection?
This is on the same curve, just more towards the reasonable end. I have absolutely no issue with counts as models (I have many myself) but using units you shouldn't just because you chose to build them? Nah.
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The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
See, that's the problem, even though I can rationalize that most of my regular opponents that make up my gaming group have no intention to play escalation/apoc, the pool is shrinking, people are moving on to other things and it's largely on account of recent developments. It's now a political nightmare to get a game in with new people and new groups and that problem is only further compounded with every week that sees a new release. I wish it was a simple dychotomy but there's so much crap in 40k now that every group has its own biases, there's no baseline anymore, no standard and it's destructive as hell.
Apocalypse was fine, it was there for the fluffy/fun/borderline personality crowd to enjoy, now apparently we all have to play your game or we're whiners or horrible people.
That would be a sad thing to see, it is unfortunate that your group seems to be dwindling.
We have a loose set of un defined / talked about rules at our club. It basically boils down to just asking permission for things or game "styles" up front, no one get's upset if you FB "Hey someone wanna play a 2K escalation game". If no one does that week you play a "normal" game instead and it's fine. It is unfortunate your club could not embrace a system that allowed them to enjoy the hobby a bit more.
Maybe you should be in our gaming group
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2014/02/27 01:59:31
Subject: Re:Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March. Cover Art Leaked 25/02 OP updated.
I'm not even excited for the model anymore, the whole concept with the codex just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Poor and sloppy rules choices all around with this.
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2014/02/27 02:01:35
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March. Cover Art Leaked 25/02 OP updated.
See, that's the problem, even though I can rationalize that most of my regular opponents that make up my gaming group have no intention to play escalation/apoc, the pool is shrinking, people are moving on to other things and it's largely on account of recent developments. It's now a political nightmare to get a game in with new people and new groups and that problem is only further compounded with every week that sees a new release. I wish it was a simple dychotomy but there's so much crap in 40k now that every group has its own biases, there's no baseline anymore, no standard and it's destructive as hell.
Apocalypse was fine, it was there for the fluffy/fun/borderline personality crowd to enjoy, now apparently we all have to play your game or we're whiners or horrible people.
That would be a sad thing to see, it is unfortunate that your group seems to be dwindling.
We have a loose set of un defined / talked about rules at our club. It basically boils down to just asking permission for things or game "styles" up front, no one get's upset if you FB "Hey someone wanna play a 2K escalation game". If no one does that week you play a "normal" game instead and it's fine. It is unfortunate your club could not embrace a system that allowed them to enjoy the hobby a bit more.
Maybe you should be in our gaming group
Way to word it such that you poo-poo any other group's way of playing. Seriously, I guess we should all bow to your group's obviously superior methods.
2014/02/27 02:01:41
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March. Cover Art Leaked 25/02 OP updated.
bodazoka wrote: You are not giving someone enough credit "that was hard" doesn't reflect the time and effort people put into converting and painting these things..
Trust me, I know exactly how much time and effort people put into converting stuff...
you are not right in the head (don't mean you specifically) if you wouldn't let your mate play something like that!
See, the same could be said about the guy who spent all of that time converting something that they knew from the start wasn't going to be game-legal.
Personally, I might allow it in a friendly game at home if we had discussed it previously and agreed on appropriate rules for it... But a lot of people prefer to stick to the actual rules of the game, as nonsensical as that may be rapidly becomming...
There's a guy who converted all of his orc's to look like Tau models and play's them as a Tau army!
Which is an entirely different thing to running a unit in an army that isn't allowed to use that unit.
It's hardly ignoring the rules! It's a slight change to the FOC..
So a slight change to the rules isn't a change to the rules...?
and even TO's are "ignoring" rules now to make the game more fun!!
TOs have been doing that for as long as their have been TOs.
2014/02/27 02:01:48
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March. Cover Art Leaked 25/02 OP updated.
MWHistorian wrote: Wait....no Chaos knights? Why the ____ not? I'm going to throat punch the next GW employee I see.
Still an awesome model though.
I hope the next GW employee you see is a 500lb silverback gorilla with a GW redshirt and 'call me dave' on his nametag...
well, now we've got that out of the way, I would suggest there will likely be a chaos version or at least a 'chaos kit' along in good time, perhaps with rules, weapons and a shiny new codex all their own.
2014/02/27 02:05:27
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March. Cover Art Leaked 25/02 OP updated.
See, that's the problem, even though I can rationalize that most of my regular opponents that make up my gaming group have no intention to play escalation/apoc, the pool is shrinking, people are moving on to other things and it's largely on account of recent developments. It's now a political nightmare to get a game in with new people and new groups and that problem is only further compounded with every week that sees a new release. I wish it was a simple dychotomy but there's so much crap in 40k now that every group has its own biases, there's no baseline anymore, no standard and it's destructive as hell.
Apocalypse was fine, it was there for the fluffy/fun/borderline personality crowd to enjoy, now apparently we all have to play your game or we're whiners or horrible people.
That would be a sad thing to see, it is unfortunate that your group seems to be dwindling.
We have a loose set of un defined / talked about rules at our club. It basically boils down to just asking permission for things or game "styles" up front, no one get's upset if you FB "Hey someone wanna play a 2K escalation game". If no one does that week you play a "normal" game instead and it's fine. It is unfortunate your club could not embrace a system that allowed them to enjoy the hobby a bit more.
Maybe you should be in our gaming group
"It is unfortunate your club could not embrace a system that allowed them to enjoy the hobby a bit more."
They're choosing to not embrace the breakdown of a system actually. A breakdown that has lead them to enjoy the hobby less as a result.
I would just like to put forward the idea that "fun" is inherently subjective.
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Do you play 30k? It'd be a lot cooler if you did.
2014/02/27 02:05:37
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March. Cover Art Leaked 25/02 OP updated.
azreal13 wrote: Would you play against someone who built a 6' x 1" void shield generator and then placed their whole Tau gunline under it's protection?
This is on the same curve, just more towards the reasonable end. I have absolutely no issue with counts as models (I have many myself) but using units you shouldn't just because you chose to build them? Nah.
haha that's a bit extreme isn't it? little bit strawman? of course you wouldn't play that.. but the guy who bring's that get's a hand shake that game and a "congrats you win" before I place my models down and I go play someone else!
Please understand I don't mean bringing a "codex grey" painted model slapping it on the table next to your Tyranid's and going "lets play". But if someone converts that bad boy to look like a Magus is piloting it with a bunch of rippers crawling around it leading some units of purestrains then yes he is allowed to play it. And he get's some respect points from me for doing it!
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shade1313 wrote: Way to word it such that you poo-poo any other group's way of playing. Seriously, I guess we should all bow to your group's obviously superior methods.
Was not intentional, I apologize if that was the way it is read
Whatever works for the group your in is the way to go!
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2014/02/27 02:08:30
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March. Cover Art Leaked 25/02 OP updated.
It is written as a choice, rather than a compulsion.
Agreed it is gakky unimaginative rules writing though.
1) You don't know how its written, you only know how it was presented to you second hand. It might very well be optional, it might not.
2) Its a 1 in 6 chance the model gets worse. An equal chance the model gets better. 2/3 of the time rolling on the chart would do nothing. Seems like a fair trade to me, and a decent way to keep the unit interesting with out a bunch of 'upgrades'
2014/02/27 02:10:31
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March. Cover Art Leaked 25/02 OP updated.
Nope, sorry, doesn't matter how well it's converted, no. If you add a rule of "as long as it's converted well, play whatever the hell you want!", then everyone would just start converting everything to get around the rules, and the rules are whacky enough as they are.
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2014/02/27 02:11:00
Subject: Imperial Knights - Codex Confirmed For Pre Order 1st March. Cover Art Leaked 25/02 OP updated.
MeanGreenStompa wrote: well, now we've got that out of the way, I would suggest there will likely be a chaos version or at least a 'chaos kit' along in good time, perhaps with rules, weapons and a shiny new codex all their own.
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