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 Azazelx wrote:

nkelsch wrote:

The rewards have grown to more than twice the size... So the shipping is probably more than twice the size... US shipping is now about 20$ Which is twice the size, So I would expect you now get to pay 80$ Which is twice the size. That is how it is. SDE is going to be in the exact same boat. And new KS are moving to this model of "pay what you owe" and "we can't promise shipping costs".

If you don't like it, don't pledge. Other people seem to be getting their estimates just fine... But estimates can and will change, so if you are unwilling to pay what it costs and want a guaranteed set in stone price, you may not be backing KS much after all the KS go to this model to avoid having to eat it on shipping costs.

Vote with your wallet.

That's not how shipping costs actually work. It's not a linear increase. It goes by categories, and even those offer economies of scale. But you are correct, I won't be backing anything that can't give me a reasonably firm estimate (which is different from "set in stone", if English is your first language). Shipping from China, even via EMS also costs a fraction of shipping from the US, so anything shipping from there and willing to do their homework beforehand (because we know CMON would have had everything to be offered planned beforehand) will still be able to do well. Also KS that mass-ship to Australia, like SWM, or ones located in the UK. It's just US-based projects who do it garage-style that will have issues, I think.

I shall indeed vote with my wallet, though. A shame, because my wife looked a little interested in it, but with 10 or so KS-exclusive characters, it might not be worth doing in the end.

This is based on the premise that there is enough backers from Australia to be worth their time to make it cost effective to the end user, and they care about missing that audience. Also, if they see "enuff" who are willing to pay the fees for expensive international shipping, why bother?

Lots of stores, manufacturers and other KS simply say "we know people in this area are expensive, we simply don't care." Some refuse to ship, others do it at insane costs. Companies totally can say "we get enough from US/Europe, and those costs are manageable, that is good enough."

Just because it is possible to bk ship and distribute cheaply, doesn't mean it fits in every business plan or is worth doing. It is like when a plumber high-balls an estimate, the truth is he feels he has enough of other peoples money and doesn't want to do your job. If you can't read between the lines, then continue to complain about it. This non-committal outside KS shipping is what everyone is going to go to and it is basically going to tell some backers in some parts of the world basically, "we don't need your money and don't particularly care if you back or not."

Project Update #52: A note on Paypal/late backing - how to do it and availability
Posted by CoolMiniOrNot ♥ Like
A lot of you have written in to ask whether we'll allow backing via Paypal.

The answer is yes - there's no need to pledge $1 to the Kickstarter campaign, although we recommend you do so in order to receive updates on Arcadia Quest through Kickstarter.

We'll have a link after the campaign is over to allow you to secure a Guildmaster pledge via Paypal without optional items, which you will be able to add via the pledge manager as normal when the pledge manager is released.

HOWEVER, availability of Paypal pledges will be limited to ensure we don't over extend the number of promos we need to make as this will affect the delivery schedule. We will announce the Paypal pledge link shortly before the campaign ends.




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interesting titbit in the comments from CMON

The will probably only be 200 or so slots to jump into post campaign for those backing late (not sure it this includes $1 backers from the campaign)

so if this is you make sure you do the paypal thing as soon CMON release the details as it make be a case of you snooze, you loose


As mentioned before, we read all comments, and some ideas we'll be incorporating in the product line down the road. However, 2 months is not a lot of time to get a physical product designed (production MUST begin by 1st June at the very latest), and we are already pushing the red line with Beyond the Grave coming forward (new tiles, new cards, new figures are all there). We appreciate your support, and would prefer to repay that support by delivering on schedule. Suggestions at this point are divided into two general camps: 1. Interesting ideas that we'll study more - e.g. 5-6 player campaigns, variously themed expansions, Hero packs etc. 2. Ideas that don't work in the context of this game (i.e. changing the game to something it's not) - "official" solo rules for example. Stuff in category 1 are things we'll be looking hard at, but can't possibly turn around by June, which is when everything must enter production to reach us in time for a September shipment. This includes things like new tiles (what's the point of a cosmetic reskin without playtested rules?). For those of you asking for more stuff, unfortunately we'll have to disappoint - this is as far as we can go for a $100 campaign which has a ton of components and exclusive heroes (which = molds we are never using again). If any backer feels this is "lame" and they deserve more stuff, now is their chance to back out with no hard feelings. To everyone left, thank you for your support and we look forward to bringing great things to the world of Arcadia Quest in future!

so they're clearly tightening up their campaigns (possibly even more so than with Wrath of Kings) to try and hit their ship dates

this is the final graphic of what you get (64 minis if I count right)



and possible add ons



only 4 hours to go so if you want to KS get pledging

This about to end but if you've only pledged $1 you won't get access to the pledge manager unless you pay for the $100 pledge through Paypal, places are limited to 100 apparently and must be paid before the end of March.

http://cmon.com/pledge/projects/arcadia-quest/

They really should have given that info out before there was only 7 minutes to go.

I ended up leaving the $90 in I've been in 2 minds for the last few days but in the end I'm happy enough with what's in the base pledge for €65 now then to see what shipping is going to cost!

Looks like they put the breaks on at the end with wider stretch goals and are not looking to blow the doors off with unlimited Paypal. Looks like they know limits and runaway pledging is a risk they didn't want. Half a mil is pretty good.

It is interesting as looks like the KS dynamic is always evolving and companies are adjusting. Companies don't want KS hangovers and blown timelines due to too much success.

So, when they listed the SG for Chooloo, they said he'd be a paid add-on if they didn't make. Do you think he'll still be an add-on, even though everyone gets one free? I'd like to have multiples. I asked them with a KS message, so I can post that when they get back to me.

**They wrote back. Rather quickly, I was impressed. No additional Chooloo's on the add-on page.

Oh well...

Everyone gets 2 Chooloo 1 monster, 1 hero version

Your nightmares begin now! Bowie, Sting and most importantly Chooloo are unlocked! That's 4 additional figures for each Guildmaster and War Paint pledge!

The great Old Ones must have been young once surely? Chooloo comes in both Hero and Monster colors (two miniatures) with a Hero Card and 4 Monster Cards to be played at any level so it can play for either team! (errr...)

That's a lot of Kickstarter exclusives.

Couldn't resist. Last second I had to dive in at $100, figuring i'll add more as needed later. :-p

Confirmation $1 no reward pledges will not get access to the pledge manager

I can see this (minimum base game pledge) and actual shipping costs being the new norm.

Project Update #55: Late pledge/Paypal pledge clarification - you must use cmon.com/pledge
Posted by CoolMiniOrNot ♥ Like
Due to the large number of backers and short lead time to September, if you intend to pledge late and have pledged $1 or no reward you MUST use the late pledge interface at http://cmon.com/pledge and place your pledge via Paypal now.  You will not receive a pledge manager link otherwise.

If you pledged an amount that did not qualify for a pledge level but more than $1, we can either cancel your pledge within 60 days (you will no longer receive updates or be able to comment on Kickstarter) or we can credit the additional amount to your Paypal pledge after the pledge manager is released. You must still use http://cmon.com/pledge to receive a pledge manager link.

Thank you for your attention and sorry for any confusion.

 Alpharius wrote:
Unless said plan leads to distributors and stores deciding to not stock said product!

That's actually how things are now. Distributors guess which products will sell, then stock said products. They have no obligation to stock every single product manufacturers make. Doesn't make manufacturers happy.

Reaper Miniatures 2012: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7dj2IcgH3w

I know some retailers and distributors (?) won't stock goods because they believe in the alpha-gamer, but, at least for retailers, this means they've just opened themselves up for other competing retailers to sell said product. I wonder if there are any distributors who primarily work with OLGS retailers, since they can carry a far wider variety of games than FLGS retail stores...

Creator CoolMiniOrNot about 2 hours ago

At GAMA - possible break bulk solutions (i.e. everyone's pledge in "X" region is consolidated for reshipping) being discussed for Canada and Australia, if not via distributors then by dedicated logistics companies (like what we do for EU). Once surveys are out next week, we'll have a better idea of where everyone is allowing us to negotiate better rates too if there are enough peeps in a particular location.

On another note, received painted samples of War Paint heroes and villains today. Will post up as soon as pictures are taken. These are SWEET.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

On another note, received painted samples of War Paint heroes and villains today. Will post up as soon as pictures are taken. These are SWEET.

If Factory painted minis becomes cost effective and 'a thing' then that is going to be the new arms race in these KS. Megaman was huge on people wanting pre-paint minis, I could see this being big deal if this is the first of many pre-painted mini campaigns.

Yes, I could see that if it were anywhere near cost effective. But you were talking $800 for the entire KS to be delivered pre-painted. Which yes, is cheap when you look at having a service paint your figures. But that is still pretty steep.

Tokaido also had pre-painted mini's. I think they're a good solution as KS exclusives. At least the painters know that a prepainting service is expensive, and understand that they're not cost effective unless done as a "batch" that a KS can do and traditional retail cannot.

Update #68 May 16 2014

Happy Friday! Let's get down to some Monkey business!

While we are currently waiting for a production update, we have 2 more painted miniatures for you to see:





Elizabeth has done a fantastic job with these 2, wrapping up all the last minute add ons! Next week will we be at CMON Expo, and many of the Spaghetti Western team members will be in attendance as well as representative from the factory that is currently preparing Arcadia Quest, so you can expect a lot of updates and maybe a few answers Or, if you have time, swing by and hang out with us for a fun weekend!

Until next time. If you have any questions, please contact support@cmon.com

- David

Yeah.... No thanks, glad I never got involved with this KS.

Yeah. Don't know what it is, but something about all the models' faces strikes me as really unpleasant

Really like these two models.

 cincydooley wrote:
Really like these two models.

Agree. I actually like the angle of having male/female designs of similar classes. I think that is a wanted trend in chibi gamers as people want alternative genders for the same class or monster.

These guys are cool IMHO.

The Male reminds me a lot of the monkey king in Saiyuki

 cincydooley wrote:
The Male reminds me a lot of the monkey king in Saiyuki

I'm fairly sure that's the point, especially since there is also a Pigsy.

 Cyporiean wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
The Male reminds me a lot of the monkey king in Saiyuki

I'm fairly sure that's the point, especially since there is also a Pigsy.

This is a good point. I don't know how I didn't realize that before.

A lot of people have been waiting for firm shipping costs before they decided what they wanted (could afford to add) on the pledge manager which was set to close at the end of the month (approx.)

however CMON have posted the following in the comments


Creator CoolMiniOrNot about 15 hours ago

@Paul- We're still getting the estimates in for the different regions right now. If we don't have the costs soon, we'll extend the deadline a bit (that's also why we haven't given a set in stone deadline yet). We'll post up a deadline by the time we know the shipping costs, so you'll have plenty of time to pay shipping costs before the pledge manager closes.

-Katherine


this is good news both for those of us waiting, but also it means the project is running on time as they will be getting the costs by weighing/measuring (test) production boxes/minis etc, so when they give the shipping cost we know the basics are done and all the remains is tidy up work and the full scale production runs

Update #70 Jun 25 2014

Nibbles!

Hello Arcadians!

Production is moving along, but to pass the time we figured we'd give you a small (ok, well not so small) taste of things to come.

Presenting the terror of the woodlands! The fearsome and powerful NIBBLES! Painted by our own Elizabeth Beckley:





Until next time! If you have any questions, please email support@cmon.com

Hmm looks like this has not had any updates in a while so lets add some to read

First from the KS comments MORE FREE STUFF!!!

Thiago Aranha (one of the game's developers)

I knew I could count on Zip! to catch that. The power of the Magic 8-Ball is strong with this one!

Yes, we're giving everybody 4 extra Hero figures and cards: The 4 Faceless! Consider it a special treat for your enthusiastic support from the very beginning.

Let me spoil one of the their abilities: SMILEY FACELESS: [+1 Reroll] When attacking with a Magic attack card, he may use every Reroll in his Guild.

(the faceless are bad guys in the beyond the grave expansion)

Update #71 Jul 28 2014

Shipping Update (7-28)

Hello Arcadians! It took a bit longer than expected, but we’re here with a Shipping Update (including finalized estimates) for everyone!

So two bits of information on this update, one for our Australian and Canada backers, and one for everyone else- First up, as stated, we’ve received the shipping costs from our global shipping partners:

Based on their information, this is what a standard pledge can expect:

EU: Most shipping costs range from 10 - 22 Euros

Canada: Most shipping costs range from 17 - 30 CAD$.

America: Most shipping costs range from $8 - $16.

Do note that these are still estimates until we can finalize them, but the final totals will not vary much from the above.

Part two of our news is we’ve established a number of new shipping hubs around the world, notably in Canada and Australia, meaning shipping to both of these areas should be much more streamlined (and cheaper for our backers).

So… Australia… You might notice you’re missing from that list up there. Well there is a good reason for that! In the time since we’ve begun this campaign we’ve managed to procure an Australian shipping hub, meaning we can get items out to you from within Australia itself (aka avoiding outside shipping fees, taxes, etc etc). The side effect is they’re still finalizing numbers on their end so it’s going to be just a bit longer before we have final numbers for you, but given this hub shipping should be much cheaper than what it would have been originally!

Once everything is final we’ll get it all integrated into our Pledge Manager and send out an email letting everyone know that has been taken care of. In the meantime stay tuned as we’ll have some great product videos and spoilers coming up for you guys in the coming time!

Until then!

still not finalised almost 2 weeks later which is annoying especially as Gencon will delay it further, but at least we roughly know the numbers now (although those ordering lots and lots of stuff are still nervous)

Update #72 Jul 30 2014

Beyond the Grave Expansion Gameplay with Eric Lang

Hail Arcadians!

We've got a cool update for you guys today! Eric Lang came down to CoolMiniOrNot HQ for CMON Expo 2014 and while he was here he ran the CMON crew through a quest from the Arcadia Quest Beyond the Grave expansion! Watch as the four guilds fight monsters, make allegiances, break allegiances, and beat each other to a pulp in an attempt to become the richest guild in Arcadia!




Please note that this is a prototype brought to us by Spaghetti Western games and not the final version.

Update #73 Aug 8 2014

Unboxing Video and War Paint Box Preview!

Greetings fellow Arcadians!

Arcadia Quest is drawing ever closer to becoming a reality and landing in your hands. Some of it has even reached us already! And we have an awesome unboxing video to share this exciting moment with all of you.




We also have a little preview of the exquisite "Collector's Edition" box and packaging that will bring the pre-painted figures to our War Paint backers.







Yes, the production of Arcadia Quest is finished, with all the boxes on their way to us. We will have samples for you to see, touch and play with if you come to the CoolMiniOrNot booth (#1827) at GenCon next week! If you're around, come find us under the full Arcadia moon!

Thank you for your support in helping make Arcadia Quest a reality!

The game boxes look neat, and should store well, and while I'd never have gone for warpaint, but for those that did it looks like they get a really nice set which will be easy to store. Really impressed with how CMON have done this

So...

I'm looking to get in on Arcadia Quest after all and unfortunately CMoN couldn't open up the pledge manager for me as a would-be-late backer.

Anyone here willing to add me for a Guildmaster! pledge? PM me if so! (I'll cover shipping, of course.)

I have on good authority that Arcadia Quest may or may not have hit/will be hitting the warehouse this week....

Dentry- I can do that. PM me

I still cling to the sad hope that they might consider some sort of pure co-op variant at some distant point in the future.

 cincydooley wrote:
Dentry- I can do that. PM me

Sent.

I want to combine this with Super Dungeon Explore. Make a super chibi game of some sort.

 Dentry wrote:
I want to combine this with Super Dungeon Explore. Make a super chibi game of some sort.

I have a feeling the scales are slightly different. When you compare them side by side using the base for scale Arcadia Quest minis seem to be about a head taller.