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2014/02/17 04:44:06
Subject: Hey Britain , Why do you guys hate how we speAK?
But the spread of the Aussie connotation among Britons has led to one university effectively banning it among trainee teachers.
Teacher training candidates at the University of Roehampton in southwest London have been told to avoid sounding like Charlene or Scott — played by Kylie Minogue and Jason Donovan — during their interviews.
A parent who accompanied their daughter on a recent open day for a course starting in September said: “Towards the end of the afternoon, the co-ordinator said she wanted to offer a few tips about the interview process that would begin once all the applications have been submitted. It turned out she had only one main tip — which was to avoid upspeak. She stressed the point vigorously.”
The origins of upspeak — also known as uptalk, high-rising terminal or Australian question intonation — are unclear.
Studies have suggested that its roots lie in New Zealand or that it could have originated on the west coast of America.
But popular Australian soaps such as The Sullivans and The Young Doctors were imported to Britain from the 1970s, with Neighbours arriving in 1986. The program paved the way for Home and Away three years later — providing a taste of life Down Under and familiarising a generation of Britons with upspeak.
Describing it as the “language of the Sunny Delight generation” Stephen Fry has claimed that he “barely knows anyone under 20 who doesn’t use it”.
However a survey of 700 company bosses by publisher Pearson found upspeak could kill off the possibility of a promotion or a pay rise. An overwhelming majority of bosses — 71 per cent — said it was a “particularly annoying trait”, while 85 per cent added that it is a “clear indicator of a person’s insecurity or emotional weakness”.
More than half warned that it would damage the prospect of a move up the corporate ladder or access to a new pay grade. Only 16 per cent said they would be able to ignore an upward intonation at the end of sentences and focus purely on a candidate’s aptitude, while 44 per cent said they would mark interviewees down by as much as a third because of the way they spoke.
Report author Harry Key said the habit is becoming increasingly common in the UK, particularly among teenagers.
He added: “Speaking in definite or indefinite tones doesn’t just sound different, it feels different and will affect the way the speaker is perceived.
“The message is clear — if you know what you’re talking about and want to be respected, then you need to sound like you know it.”
First you kick us out for stealing hankies and now we aren't even allowed to speak in public. Where does it end? I say Australia needs to ban people from speaking in public who clip the ends of their words off, also those people whos' even intonation makes them sound depressed, I think we also need to get a pre-emptive strike against the Americans and ban the use of y'all in Australia.
I am also finding it distressing that Australia apparently didn't even originate it's language quirk.
Seriously Britain y you so RacialiST?
Anyone else have issues with the spoken language?
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2014/02/17 04:59:43
Subject: Re:Hey Britain , Why do you guys hate how we speAK?
Stop. Stop it now. Your ruining my entertainment...
Pronunciation is different in countries
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2014/02/17 05:26:55
Subject: Hey Britain , Why do you guys hate how we speAK?
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2014/02/17 05:34:21
Subject: Hey Britain , Why do you guys hate how we speAK?
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2014/02/17 07:06:25
Subject: Hey Britain , Why do you guys hate how we speAK?
It sounds like you're constantly asking a question.
That said "Y'all" is a crime against humanity.
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2014/02/17 07:27:45
Subject: Hey Britain , Why do you guys hate how we speAK?
purplefood wrote: It sounds like you're constantly asking a question. That said "Y'all" is a crime against humanity.
Hey? Is that really necessary? I hardly think we always sound like we are asking questions but, you know...?
It's the high pitched bit at the end of the sentence... It's not the most annoying accent. But it can make conversation a bit annoying...
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2014/02/17 08:07:41
Subject: Hey Britain , Why do you guys hate how we speAK?
purplefood wrote: It sounds like you're constantly asking a question. That said "Y'all" is a crime against humanity.
Hey? Is that really necessary? I hardly think we always sound like we are asking questions but, you know...?
It's the high pitched bit at the end of the sentence... It's not the most annoying accent. But it can make conversation a bit annoying...
I was trying to make a joke by making everything I said have a question mark at the end? Perhaps, to best simulate our accent online, all Aus posters should do it?
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2014/02/17 08:47:57
Subject: Hey Britain , Why do you guys hate how we speAK?
purplefood wrote: It sounds like you're constantly asking a question.
That said "Y'all" is a crime against humanity.
Hey? Is that really necessary? I hardly think we always sound like we are asking questions but, you know...?
It's the high pitched bit at the end of the sentence...
It's not the most annoying accent. But it can make conversation a bit annoying...
I was trying to make a joke by making everything I said have a question mark at the end? Perhaps, to best simulate our accent online, all Aus posters should do it?
You should.
I got the joke but since all I could hear was an Australian accent any humour was covered by my incandescent rage at your constant questioning.
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2014/02/17 09:08:11
Subject: Hey Britain , Why do you guys hate how we speAK?
purplefood wrote: It sounds like you're constantly asking a question.
That said "Y'all" is a crime against humanity.
Said as a person who clearly does not realize the crucial gap "y'all" fills in the English language. It's a contraction for "you all" that is easily adapted for a myriad of uses and flows easily. Besides, it's not any more bizarre than half the made up words y'all use. For example, y'all call cookies biscuits. What kind of a madman puts gravy on cookies to have for breakfast?
Basic breakdown of "y'all" in everyday use for the uncultured.
Nun' y'all : None of you
y'all: You (singular or plural depending on context, can be used to single out members of a group)
both y'all: both of you
all y'all: all of you
If we were talking about local dialect in any other language you would be praising learning about culture, but all of the sudden when a bunch of half educated hicks try the same thing we're illiterate. Listen to the way it just rolls off the tongue so smoothly when a local says it, especially if it's a gorgeous little southern belle. But oh no, the Brits have to tell us how to speak. I will admit though, if the only people you've heard use it are "country" artists, it would definitely grate on the nerves. They're trying so hard to sound country it hurts. You know how you guys can tell a really fake British accent? That's how they sound to us. Also, if you really want to hear a truly painful sounding accent, that award goes to the "Bronx" style accent. I swear that stuff is harder to understand than even the most impenetrable of British accents, and they speak so fast its damn near impossible to understand without a local to translate.
I will admit I had to google what "upspeak" was. I've heard tweens use something similar around here, doubt it's related to what you guys are going through though. I definitely can see how it would hurt job applications, if only through just being really freaking annoying. Honestly if you go into a job interview, you should know from the get go that talking with lots of slang, a heavy accent, or using weird inflections can only hurt you. I use y'all a lot in regular speech because that's normal around here, but you wouldn't catch me using it during a job interview.
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2014/02/17 10:13:17
Subject: Re:Hey Britain , Why do you guys hate how we speAK?
Brits that are concerned with Aussie speak would probably have their hair turn white from terror if they were subject to listening to deep Louisiana French bayou creole /swamp people.
Even our yank ears tend to bleed with that one.
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2014/02/17 10:18:59
Subject: Hey Britain , Why do you guys hate how we speAK?
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2014/02/17 10:30:26
Subject: Hey Britain , Why do you guys hate how we speAK?
Hell, I'm an aussie and I loathe the upwards vocal shift that younger folk use here.
I don't use it - I find it incredibly annoying - and usually the mark of the uncultured suburbanite - along with the large engined car (V8, usually), the ludicrously large tv, the huge house in the waaaaay-outer suburbs (srsly, why do you need 16 bathrooms in a house where 4 people live?)
But yeah - "y'all" can go die in a fire, too.
Along with "yeah but nah but" or "yeah nah".
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2014/02/17 11:02:52
Subject: Hey Britain , Why do you guys hate how we speAK?
Corpsesarefun wrote: My ears bleed when I hear half the accents from my own country, let alone the rest of the empire.
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2014/02/17 12:43:39
Subject: Re:Hey Britain , Why do you guys hate how we speAK?
Kevin Bridges had a show up here and during one of his segments he interviewed Micky Flanagan.
I thought this was quite funny and relevant.
I've served quite a few Americans in my work and the majority have understood me (I don't have a strong accent and get accused of not being from Glasgow! (for shame)) apart from one old guy who kept insisting they couldn't understand me. He had a really whiny American accent so i'm not sure what State that is (Let the games begin on that one). I think he was just being a witch though.
purplefood wrote: It sounds like you're constantly asking a question. That said "Y'all" is a crime against humanity.
Said as a person who clearly does not realize the crucial gap "y'all" fills in the English language. It's a contraction for "you all" that is easily adapted for a myriad of uses and flows easily. Besides, it's not any more bizarre than half the made up words y'all use. For example, y'all call cookies biscuits. What kind of a madman puts gravy on cookies to have for breakfast?
Basic breakdown of "y'all" in everyday use for the uncultured.
Nun' y'all : None of you y'all: You (singular or plural depending on context, can be used to single out members of a group) both y'all: both of you all y'all: all of you
If we were talking about local dialect in any other language you would be praising learning about culture, but all of the sudden when a bunch of half educated hicks try the same thing we're illiterate. Listen to the way it just rolls off the tongue so smoothly when a local says it, especially if it's a gorgeous little southern belle. But oh no, the Brits have to tell us how to speak. I will admit though, if the only people you've heard use it are "country" artists, it would definitely grate on the nerves. They're trying so hard to sound country it hurts. You know how you guys can tell a really fake British accent? That's how they sound to us. Also, if you really want to hear a truly painful sounding accent, that award goes to the "Bronx" style accent. I swear that stuff is harder to understand than even the most impenetrable of British accents, and they speak so fast its damn near impossible to understand without a local to translate.
I will admit I had to google what "upspeak" was. I've heard tweens use something similar around here, doubt it's related to what you guys are going through though. I definitely can see how it would hurt job applications, if only through just being really freaking annoying. Honestly if you go into a job interview, you should know from the get go that talking with lots of slang, a heavy accent, or using weird inflections can only hurt you. I use y'all a lot in regular speech because that's normal around here, but you wouldn't catch me using it during a job interview.
Nope, Purps is correct, and I say that as a Southerner.
It's criminal that people can't use context to differentiate when you is singular and when it's plural.
Then again, saying" you all" in general is an abomination that needs to stop.
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2014/02/17 17:35:20
Subject: Hey Britain , Why do you guys hate how we speAK?
And the use of "mate" by everyone from the Commonwealth needs to die in flames too. We're not "mates", I don't know you nor would I have sex with you.
Do you all still use "f*g" for cigarettes as well?
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