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 Ouze wrote:
Oh man, I forgot about that guy. Good call. I still see him show up now and then, too. Sometimes he tries to, you know, be subtle, with a normal-ish first post and then BOOM RAMPS IT UP BY POST 2, and then the lock.

He's the guy who shows up with those weird western/anime threads now and then, right?

he still posts? Why have I not heard about this...I swear Dakka needs some kind of instant alert system when your "favourite poster" posts. I want to troll him hard and relentlessly. I had a great time in his 2 or 3 threads and was dissapointed they got shut down so early , I really wanted to witness a bigot head explosion.

 trexmeyer wrote:


http://diaryofanegress.com/2012/12/27/21-harsh-truths-white-people-dont-want-to-hear/

Highlights:

3. No matter how much surgery you have, you’ll never compare to a black woman’s natural beauty:

4. You are the only race on Earth that cannot live harmoniously with nature.

5. Your desperate attempt to be “like us” is pathetic:

11. Without your white skin, you’d be nothing.

21. You cheat, lie and manipulate your way to the top because deep down, you know you cannot compete at a level playing field with everyone else.

I think I broke my brain reading that.

cincydooley wrote:I mean, I can keep going. I realize you really want to hang on the "any" generalization and that's fine. But please, don't pretend it's a not a huge, very real issue.

I never said anything to indicate it wasn't a huge, real issue. I will only concede that as argumentative hooks go, "any" was not my best work.

Bullockist wrote:he still posts? Why have I not heard about this...I swear Dakka needs some kind of instant alert system when your "favourite poster" posts. I want to troll him hard and relentlessly. I had a great time in his 2 or 3 threads and was dissapointed they got shut down so early , I really wanted to witness a bigot head explosion.

He just shows up as a sockpuppet now and then, and usually gets shut down pretty fast.

 sebster wrote:

 whembly wrote:
I think it's sensationalized in the media... as evidenced by the recent Zimmerman / Dunn trials.

If anything I see more "tribal" discrimination than "racial" discrimination these days...

It's certainly sensationalised in the media, who give lots of screen time to the people who's job it is to make outrageous comments about race, whilefor the most part people just keep on going about their lives. The days of lynchings after a black guy wins the heavyweight title are long behind us.

What do you mean by 'tribal' racism?

I'm assuming he means ethnicity.

 trexmeyer wrote:
I'm sure most of you are familiar with the claims that Jesus was a black man and that the ancient Egyptians were also black. You probably dismissed these as simply being an attempt at racial empowerment.

No, I imagine most people dismissed them because they don't matter to most people.

Also, I've not heard anyone claim that ancient Egyptians were black. Please provide an example.

 trexmeyer wrote:

There are are truly those within the African-American community that believe Africans are inherently superior to all other racial groups and that the white man is the devil.

The words "black" and "African" are not synonymous. You seem to know this as you leveraged the word "black" when referencing Jesus and the Egyptians, and objected to the notion that Egyptians be considered black.

 trexmeyer wrote:

I can't say if reverse racism actually exists at an institutionalized level. It certainly exists at a micro level.

"Reverse racism" doesn't exist. You are either racist or you are not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYXE3tnXVKo

I hadn't actually heard about this before.

 dogma wrote:


Also, I've not heard anyone claim that ancient Egyptians were black. Please provide an example.

Ancient Egyptian Race Controversy

 LordofHats wrote:

 dogma wrote:


Also, I've not heard anyone claim that ancient Egyptians were black. Please provide an example.

Ancient Egyptian Race Controversy

Careful, citing Wikipedia is frowned upon in this academic bastion.

If I wanted to participate in high academia, I'd go somewhere to be paid for it

 LordofHats wrote:

Ancient Egyptian Race Controversy

Touche.

 cincydooley wrote:

Careful, citing Wikipedia is frowned upon in this academic bastion.

Wikipedia isn't a bad source, per se; though it is difficult to defend.

Eh...thought we were all homo sapians...

While we'll never know for sure if Jesus was black, I posit to you, colleagues, that Big Baby Jesus was most unambiguously black.

 Jihadin wrote:
Eh...thought we were all homo sapians...

And that's where you made your first mistake!

 dogma wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

Ancient Egyptian Race Controversy

Touche.

 cincydooley wrote:

Careful, citing Wikipedia is frowned upon in this academic bastion.

Wikipedia isn't a bad source, per se; though it is difficult to defend.

I was teasing a little bit. We all know Wikipedia isn't appropriate for official documents or academic journals. There are some folks here that seem to think dakka is one or the other.

It's exhausting sometimes just finding "less-partisan" websites to use for links in general.

Jebus....he catch a bullet with his teeth or something Ouze?

cincydooley wrote:Condi Rice: http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2012-09-06/news/luke-s-gospel-condoleezza-rice-is-an-uncle-tom/full/

Herman Caine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1HnCPPymnY

Artur Davis: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/28/congressional-black-caucus-blasts-artur-davis-over-party-switch/

I mean, I can keep going.

Then there's this gem from the non-politics arena:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/12/15/stephen_a_smith_ostracizing_black_conservatives_makes_absolutely_no_sense_whatsoever.html

Or this:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/video-espn-rob-parker-says-ridiculous-things-rg3-195448822--nfl.html

Or if you want to avoid sports:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2214933/Whatever-Clueless-star-Stacey-Dash-moves-forward-Twitter-backlash-support-Mitt-Romney.html

I mean, I can keep going. I realize you really want to hang on the "any" generalization and that's fine. But please, don't pretend it's a not a huge, very real issue.

Nope, it doesn't exist at all. Also note that the blogs I referenced would refer to such individuals as "brainwashed pawns of the white devil."

dogma wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
I'm sure most of you are familiar with the claims that Jesus was a black man and that the ancient Egyptians were also black. You probably dismissed these as simply being an attempt at racial empowerment.

No, I imagine most people dismissed them because they don't matter to most people.

Also, I've not heard anyone claim that ancient Egyptians were black. Please provide an example.

Are you serious...

dogma wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:

There are are truly those within the African-American community that believe Africans are inherently superior to all other racial groups and that the white man is the devil.

The words "black" and "African" are not synonymous. You seem to know this as you leveraged the word "black" when referencing Jesus and the Egyptians, and objected to the notion that Egyptians be considered black.

You're correct. I should have specified they believe black Africans are superior. Slight brain fart forgetting about the Caucasians and Arabs that are native to Africa. My apologies.

dogma wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:

I can't say if reverse racism actually exists at an institutionalized level. It certainly exists at a micro level.

"Reverse racism" doesn't exist. You are either racist or you are not.

OP I can break this down for you really easily.

Anonymity allows people to say things they normally wouldn't. This is further encouraged by a lack of moderation, or moderation that simply doesn't care. We can be rash and spontaneous because we're not accountable for our actions.

Everyone has harbored a racist feeling or stereotype of some sort at one time or another, even if it's just a fleeting moment. We don't usually say or act on these in public because we're not stupid, and we realize we just let our temper get the best of us. We pause, calm down, and get over it. On the internet that barrier isn't there. I could call you all sorts of horrible things right now, but what do I care? I'm potentially thousands of miles away, sitting behind a laptop with not a care in the world, able to say things that in real life would cause me to get a severe beating. Worst I get is a ban from Dakkadakka that I can circumvent in like 15 minutes by changing my IP or something.

For a good example of this in action, look at 4chan. The anonymous nature of the posting there, combined with minimal mod interference leads to massive amounts of racist material. Depending on the board, this could be just a few dedicated trolls, or a significant portion of the userbase. Nobody gives a gak, because, well, it's 4chan.

To be perfectly honest, race relations if anything have gotten better. The key thing to remember is that the internet has just allowed people to express themselves in ways that they would never do in person. This goes for everything from pornography, to racism, to idiotic opinions, to spouting random BS and rumors, and countless other ways. People act this way because they're (usually) not going to be held accountable for it. They don't need to calm down and think about what they're saying. They don't need to be right, or have a rational reason for what they're saying. They can "fire and forget" and there will be almost no consequence unless they did something really stupid like threaten to kill the president. People will always be tempted to do bad things when they feel they can get away with it. The convenient nature of the internet makes this desire almost irresistible.

Of course, there will always be legitimate racists out there, the KKK alone is proof enough of this. Best we can do is try and diminish their influence as much as possible and keep an eye on them so they don't do something crazy.

Dogma, Trex

The term "reverse racism" came into use as the struggle for African-American rights divided the white community. In 1966, Hosea Williams of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), publicly accused members of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) of reverse racism in their efforts to exclude or expel whites from local government in Alabama to make room for blacks. Williams argued that SNCC's (unsuccessful) "all-black" campaign in Alabama would drive white moderates out of the civil rights movement.[3] "Black racism" was a more common term in this era, used to describe SNCC and groups like the Black Panthers.[4]

The Supreme Court has held that racial preferences in university admissions for minority students do not violate Equal Protection in cases such as Grutter v. Bollinger.

The term gained widespread use in debates and legal actions concerning affirmative action, albeit sometimes in the context of "the myth of reverse racism".[5] It appeared resurgent on the political scene with the successful candidacy of Barack Obama in 2008.[6]

A recent study conducted at Tufts and Harvard sought to quantify perceptions of reverse racism by surveying Americans who identified as White or Black. The study's title, "White People See Racism as a Zero-Sum Game That They Are Now Losing", indicates its findings: that Whites feel as though they now suffer disproportionately from racism. (Blacks felt that anti-Black racism had decreased over time, but did not perceive increases in anti-White bias.) These results were constant for people of different ages and levels of education.[2][7]

Studies show that great percentages of both whites and blacks feel as though anti-black racism has decreased significantly. However, studies also show that great percentages of whites feel as though they've replaced blacks as the racial group most discriminated against. Many believe that the phenomenon of "white guilt", while by no means a recent idea, has come to the forefront of race relations.

My waitress in a restaurant in Hackensack, NJ spent the entire evening ignoring me, and spent the whole time flirting with two guys at another table. Took her 15 minutes to come take my order AFTER someone told her to, she asked me once how everything was, never refilled my water, and didn't even wish me a good night after she brought the check. Just dropped it and left to go flirt with the other guys. And take care of her one other table. Kicker was, I'm white, everyone else was either black or Asian. I've got friends of just about every ethnicity, think racism is disgusting, and I was pretty upset at the treatment I got that I'm reasonably sure was due to the color of my skin and what town I was in.

spent the entire evening ignoring me, and spent the whole time flirting with two guys at another table.

She either knows them or wants to know one of them. My advice. Go impeccably groomed GQ style. Happens to me at times but always remember. There's more then one waitress or waiter. I just hold up my near empty glass when I make eye contact with one.

 LordofHats wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Eh...thought we were all homo sapians...

And that's where you made your first mistake!

Since recently it has been found that most 'white' people are genetically up to 4% Neanderthal, I'm surprised we don't hear more about that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatomically_modern_humans
<--- A proud and pasty knuckledragger

So, if people are getting racist, they should at least have science to back it up

But, if gamers are generally thought to be a-social, but socialise to get a game in once in a while, it helps to ignore who (or what) you hang around with.
Nerd-kind comes in all shapes and sizes.

 Jihadin wrote:

spent the entire evening ignoring me, and spent the whole time flirting with two guys at another table.

She either knows them or wants to know one of them. My advice. Go impeccably groomed GQ style. Happens to me at times but always remember. There's more then one waitress or waiter. I just hold up my near empty glass when I make eye contact with one.

None of which warrants making me wait 15 minutes to come over to introduce herself/take my order (i did both at thw same time since i waited so long) or toss the check on the table without wishing me a good night. I'm not a needy customer by any means. I've also worked in restaurants most of my adult life so far. Nobody in the restaurants I worked in would dream of being this inattentive or rude to their customers.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
My waitress in a restaurant in Hackensack, NJ spent the entire evening ignoring me, and spent the whole time flirting with two guys at another table. Took her 15 minutes to come take my order AFTER someone told her to, she asked me once how everything was, never refilled my water, and didn't even wish me a good night after she brought the check. Just dropped it and left to go flirt with the other guys. And take care of her one other table. Kicker was, I'm white, everyone else was either black or Asian. I've got friends of just about every ethnicity, think racism is disgusting, and I was pretty upset at the treatment I got that I'm reasonably sure was due to the color of my skin and what town I was in.

On the face of it, that's racism.

The thing is that as a white man in western Europe or the USA you don't often get into situations in which it is obvious you are being discriminated against due to race, because you are part of the majority group. It's a shock when it happens.

I hope you left a "Tip for Jesus".

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
My waitress in a restaurant in Hackensack, NJ spent the entire evening ignoring me, and spent the whole time flirting with two guys at another table. Took her 15 minutes to come take my order AFTER someone told her to, she asked me once how everything was, never refilled my water, and didn't even wish me a good night after she brought the check. Just dropped it and left to go flirt with the other guys. And take care of her one other table. Kicker was, I'm white, everyone else was either black or Asian. I've got friends of just about every ethnicity, think racism is disgusting, and I was pretty upset at the treatment I got that I'm reasonably sure was due to the color of my skin and what town I was in.

On the face of it, that's racism.

The thing is that as a white man in western Europe or the USA you don't often get into situations in which it is obvious you are being discriminated against due to race, because you are part of the majority group. It's a shock when it happens.

I hope you left a "Tip for Jesus".

I left about half of what I should have. And still feel I left too much. Oh well, to quote 'Waiting' she needed it more than me.

 LordofHats wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Eh...thought we were all homo sapians...

And that's where you made your first mistake!

I'm hetero sapiens!

How can Jesus be black? He's from Matamoros. I'm so confused.

Despite the opportunists I firmly believe its becoming better here. To quote the immortal bard: nature finds a way.

The issue now is not race. Its class.

US is facing a long decline, primacy has moved from Washington to Beijing and that will have long term economic consequences.

While the US will be mighty for the rest of the century it will have to satisfied with less as resource distribution shifts east and the American way of life starts to get harder to maintain.

This has nothing to do with racism except that when people have less they tend to complain and look for people to blame, with ethnic divisions being fairly ingrained, and the Hispanic minority being more organised and wanting more than they were usually allotted, I can see a steady worsening of race relations. It will be nobodies fault, just human nature.

The only bit of good news is that the US has a strong cohesive identity, people are expected to be Americans first and their ethnic identity afterwards, the flag is raised etc. In Europe under multiculturalism this isn't a priority, however multiculturalism doesn't work as homo sapiens is a tribal animal and it is our nature to be factional.
So you have it half right, much of Europe however is fethed.

Timetowaste. If you left any amount of tip then your as wrong as a "Football bat"

 Jihadin wrote:
Eh...thought we were all homo sapians...

Speak for yourself biped. You humans with your mostly hairless skin and gimmicky crap like the wheel and fire...pfft.


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 timetowaste85 wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:

spent the entire evening ignoring me, and spent the whole time flirting with two guys at another table.

She either knows them or wants to know one of them. My advice. Go impeccably groomed GQ style. Happens to me at times but always remember. There's more then one waitress or waiter. I just hold up my near empty glass when I make eye contact with one.

None of which warrants making me wait 15 minutes to come over to introduce herself/take my order (i did both at thw same time since i waited so long) or toss the check on the table without wishing me a good night. I'm not a needy customer by any means. I've also worked in restaurants most of my adult life so far. Nobody in the restaurants I worked in would dream of being this inattentive or rude to their customers.

here's something I did once that works. Just get up and sit at another table, or better yet get up and walk the hell out and tell them why. This will teach you to be in New Jersey.

I hope this doesn't turn into a "white people have it so hard" discussion or a "non-white people are the real racists" discussion.