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Yeah, the speed difference is pretty huge.
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Different creatures have different metabolisms. Some may conserve and rather a slow, steady feed in a hibernation-like state where others will aggressively consume and reproduce as fast as possible. It may simply be that Godzilla is not interested in rapid consumption and is content to stockpile it unlike the MUTOS. It does seem like Godzilla has room to grow and there must have been larger creatures at one time than him.
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I assume if Godzilla wanted to, he would have been able to consume the warhead much like the Mutos did and gain rapid power from it. I actually thought at one point they were gonna take that angle where the humans give the warhead to Godzilla to help him win.
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That would also explain why Big-G fainted at the end of the film. He'd burned through his reserve and needed to rest for awhile (maybe sucking some rays from the sun) before he could move.
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Godzilla usually poops out at some point, usually right about when he goes for the breath weapon. He's like Rocky he may get beat up and broken in the ring but he always gets back up for the final round to deliver the TKO.
Every time he falls and appears dead it does cause you to wonder is this it for the Big G?
The only time he actually dies he becomes Mecha Godzilla. (or was that the corpse of son of Godzilla? it's been so long I can't remember) Which is what I was thinking about during that scene, is he dead or are they setting up for Mecha Godzilla.
After recharging from the nearby nuke blast and some morning sun it was back to the ocean as usual.
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Godzilla 2000 was basically showing how Godzilla is basically an infinitely fast self-regeneration, so I assume, any wound, however bad can be recovered from as long as he has energy left. Think Wolverine on batteries. The only true death would be a mortal wound and a total lack of energy. I assume simply lack of energy would just cause him to be dormant instead of dead...
I am kinda interested in seeing if this movie might re-focus a scientific consistency in the mythos. I think they can be off to a strong start as the new premise was pretty plausible (if you get over the suspense of disbelief of kaijus)
And where would Borenstein draw inspiration for this? From a surprising source.
“The same way Chris Nolan was so brilliantly able to create a Joker that felt of a piece in his dark and grounded reality,” Borenstein said on where he’d get inspiration for Mothra, or other classic characters, “whereas if you just watched the television series from the ’60s, the Batman shows, you would have said that was impossible. I think it’s possible.”
A lot to chew on... I think a Mothra sequel is a lock and the next logical step would be Mechagodzilla in the form of human reaction to a double encounter with Godzilla.
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2) So, Godzilla is the Apex Predator in the Kaiju world, and...that's all he's after?
3) Just what is Godzilla's overall role and motivation?
I hope it does well enough for a sequel - I feel that there would be a lot more Kaiju on Kaiju crime if we get one!
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2) They implied that ancient earth was flooded by radiation, Kaijus which fed off radiation basically stabilized the planet for other species to take root. So there was probably a large rise of such creatures, then as food supplies fell, scarcity of food which resulted in a arms race and territory dispute. This would make the world of Godzilla like highlander, that there can be only one and to extend his own life, he would want as little threat to his territory as possible, and a monopoly on his own food supply which is radiation from the earth's core.
3) Any threat to his safety, food supply or territory would justify him. This means any large creatures which could harm him need to GO. Anything which is going to compete for his food has got to GO. They also implied he is there to keep nature balanced. He may simply like how the earth is right now and would resist any other creature's attempt to change the planet via radioactivity outside what it is. So his personal wants and preferences simply seem to co-incide with most of the life on earth where the MUTOS and other Kaijus may be perfectly content with overwhelming radioactivity like the days of old.
As I watch the Godzilla marathon on chiller, almost every baddie is from outer space. Basically Kaijus could be the normal evolution of the universe and are a protospecies designed to clean up the natural radiation of environments to bring on 'the next round of species'. So that is why you would find space-born Kaijus who would be naturally drawn to earth as humanity screws around with nuclear weapons... Godzilla can't have that so he would be very motivated to protect himself, his food supply and his preference in maintaining his current eco system... And it just happens us humans have a vested interest in Godzilla maintaining his preferred eco-system cuz we live in it. While Humanity is always trying to get rid of Godzilla or contain him because we are not so cool with his city stomping tendencies, he is not usually interested in wiping us off the face of the planet (unless you subscribe to the WWII punishment angles) and without him, we would be screwed when the next space whatever shows up.
I'm gonna agree with Soladrin on this one. The lead character, the Navy Lieutenant, was played by a seriously annoying actor. Seriously, it hurt to watch him every time he was on screen - which was most of the film. I also hated the way the afore mentioned Lieutenant just happens to find himself everywhere important (and I mean each and every single important location in the film) the way Ben Affleck and Josh Hartnett did in Pearl Harbor.
And I also didn't care much for...
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...this movie's inability to understand how time works. And I still don't understand why you'd transport a bomb on a train instead of a C5 Galaxy. Seriously, trains are slow. And apparently prone to giant monster attacks. And were there NO nuclear plants closer than San Francisco?
But all that disappeared whenever Godzilla was on the screen. I really like the way they made Godzilla this time out. He looked massive and seemed to literally weigh tons and tons and tons, unlike the Matthew Broderick version which nimbly ran up and down the streets of Manhattan and danced around buildings to avoid incoming missiles.
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I think the MUTO heading for a reactor in Japan is a little silly. I guarantee there were reactors closer to the Philippines than that. Some crappy Chinese reactor bleeding far more radiation that is safe
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Breotan wrote: I also hated the way the afore mentioned Lieutenant just happens to find himself everywhere important (and I mean each and every single important location in the film)
Yes, this was my biggest complaint. It felt very "forrest gump-ish" to me. I mean, obviously the protagonist generally needs to be involved in the majority of the movie but I don't feel they organically moved him from scene to scene.
Your other beef is legit, as well, i think.
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The bomb is carried by a helicopter to a train. The train goes, super slow, and crashes. It is then rescued by... a helicopter. Why not just fly it by helicopter the whole way?
Also, I had to derisively snicker when he mentions "be careful, it's delicate" in reference to the bomb... the same bomb that fell off a bridge on a train like 200 feet and remained wholly intact and undamaged. Yeah, pretty delicate.
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They didn't want to risk the male Muto intercepting an aircraft carrying the nuke, especially when said Muto has a tendency to send a burst of EMP that would risk the plane and nuke to crash into the dirt. By using the train, they were able to avoid the male Muto (who's admittedly much more maneuverable and unpredictable given the fact that he flies) and reduce the fallout in the event that their transport system was disabled by an EMP.
Breotan wrote: I'm gonna agree with Soladrin on this one.
You might of had us at 'hello', but then you lost us right there...
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As for Godzilla being 'dead', I really do think it was more of a consequence of being wounded in the fight and having to use his breath weapon multiple times in the battle.
And then he was revived by the nuclear blast...maybe?
Breotan wrote: I'm gonna agree with Soladrin on this one.
You might of had us at 'hello', but then you lost us right there...
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As for Godzilla being 'dead', I really do think it was more of a consequence of being wounded in the fight and having to use his breath weapon multiple times in the battle.
And then he was revived by the nuclear blast...maybe?
I'd like to point out that in the Toho flicks, the first Godzilla did die. And the other ones had a second Godzilla.
The point of them using the train is that a train doesn't need electronics to function, only steam/coal/what-have-you. An EMP would be unable to stop it.
The thing that irritated me most about the train plan is the lack of support they had. I understand that close-support from 'choppers and the like isn't very feasible due to the EMP blasts, but god damn. Could they at least have had a couple eyes in the sky, drones and the like, keeping a constant 24/7 surveillance on it so that it doesn't lol-jump you? It's not like the military wasn't putting all their eggs in one basket with that plan or something...
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One thing I was wondering. Would an EMP really cause F-22s to just fall out of the air like that? I don't think the engine requires electronics to function, steering would be offline for sure. But it wouldn't cause an immediate nose dive would it?
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The point of them using the train is that a train doesn't need electronics to function, only steam/coal/what-have-you. An EMP would be unable to stop it.
The thing that irritated me most about the train plan is the lack of support they had. I understand that close-support from 'choppers and the like isn't very feasible due to the EMP blasts, but god damn. Could they at least have had a couple eyes in the sky, drones and the like, keeping a constant 24/7 surveillance on it so that it doesn't lol-jump you? It's not like the military wasn't putting all their eggs in one basket with that plan or something...
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I think their support was the burning wreckage floating downriver.
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Grey Templar wrote: One thing I was wondering. Would an EMP really cause F-22s to just fall out of the air like that? I don't think the engine requires electronics to function, steering would be offline for sure. But it wouldn't cause an immediate nose dive would it?
Yeah, I believe without a jet engine, they would fall out of the sky like that. As soon as they lose enough speed, they have no lift and it is spiral to the round for you.
Gliders and prop planes can last longer without speed because they can glide, I think most jets are too heavy to glide so they need speed to keep the lift good enough to keep them up.
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Let's talk favorite parts of the film....I have 3:
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1: Godzilla's first use of his breath weapon, especially the part where you see his tail spines glow, first at the tip of the tail and then move up his back towards his head.
2: The bitch slap of the male MUTO with his tail.
3: Godzilla grabbing the head and jaw of the female MUTO and pulling them apart. I was thinking "He's going to rip it's jaw off" but instead fed her his breath weapon like a mama bird feeding it's baby.
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3: Godzilla grabbing the head and jaw of the female MUTO and pulling them apart. I was thinking "He's going to rip it's jaw off" but instead fed her his breath weapon like a mama bird feeding it's baby.
I call it the kiss of death
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Yes, Aircraft carriers are nuclear powered. So are most modern subs. Nuclear reactors use a combination of U-235 & Pu-239 for generating power, weapons grade uranium is U-238 which is a refined material. Sort of like how cocaine is a synthesized version of coca, it has properties that only occur in the enriched version. U-235 generates a more controlled release of energy, U-238 is uncontrolled so it produces the big bangs. So in theory the mutos would probably be drawn to it over standard earth contained radiation or even more then what's used in power plants.
I was kind of scratching my head as to why Godzilla wouldn't go after the carrier, but he largely ignored it (and has also ignored subs in past films) I came away thinking that perhaps he isn't concerned with feeding on those sources and possibly hunts the Mutos for food, destroying human radiation sources would help remove the Mutos collection points so they can't over populate too quickly?
He also seems to largely ignore the nuclear weapons, outside of knowing it attracts the Mutos
Your knowledge of nuclear energy and cocaine seems a bit off. Luckily I am a fan of both and can help.
Only U-235 is fissle. U-238 is not. Naturally occurring Uranium is ~99.93% U-238, while nuclear fuel sources need to be enriched between 2-5% U-235 and nuclear weapons over 90%. Though U-238 is still highly toxic and slightly radioactive. Just another long term "Thank You" note to the children of Iraq from America.
You can stand feet away from a nuclear reactor and not have appreciable readings on your GM or PIC meter (you'll actually get a higher reading next to coal powered plant than a nuke plant due to the amounts of NORM in especially lignite coals) so it would make sense for Godzilla to ignore things like nuclear carriers. That is when they're not dumping radioactive waste at sea at least, they aren't going to have any appreciable radiation escaping to detect. I've stood 5 feet away from a spent fuel pool before and couldn't even get a chirp from my GM tube.
Also cocaine is merely extracted from coca leaves, not synthesized. The cocaine molecule is already inherent in the plant, unlike heroin, which takes natural morphine from the poppy and attaches 2 acetyl groups.
Breotan wrote: And were there NO nuclear plants closer than San Francisco?
There is only one currently active nuclear power station in California: Diablo Canyon Power Plant in Avila Beach, CA
It's about a three and a half hour drive away. I haven't seen the movie yet so I don't know if that is closer or further away in relation to your concern.
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I'm quite surprised by how much more people expected from this movie. I am a gigantic fan of Godzilla, and I loved it. This was never gonna be Schindler's List with kaiju, guys.
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I was hoping for less plot holes and more monster fights. I'm disappointed they did more or less nothing with Cranston or Watanabe. It's watchable, but I wouldn't say it's good.
Breotan wrote: And were there NO nuclear plants closer than San Francisco?
There is only one currently active nuclear power station in California: Diablo Canyon Power Plant in Avila Beach, CA
It's about a three and a half hour drive away. I haven't seen the movie yet so I don't know if that is closer or further away in relation to your concern.
Watched it on Friday, was pretty disappointed. I liked the sense of scale, and I felt like they did a good job showing just how impossibly large and heavy Godzilla is which was a nice realistic touch. I hated just about everything else. Cranston died too early, he was the only character I actually cared about. The protagonist... bleh. Ken Watanabe, who I really like, looked perpetually confused for the entire film.
The actual monster fighting? Aside from the breath attack and tail slap, it was pretty damn boring. The fighting felt pretty static. I feel like Pacific Rim did a much better job with the actual fights, and they didn't obnoxiously cut away to human characters in the middle of said fights. Twice.
I watched it on Thor's Day. Aside from the rare monster fight scenes it seemed like any other derivative third string miscellaneous disaster movie. Fairly nonsensical plot driven by mediocre performances. The Godzilla stuff was solid, he looked and acted good. I would have preferred a less altruistic Godzilla personally - I feel like people should have been at least irrelevant to him in the pursuit of his prey instead of actively working to preserve human life - specifically the ducking under of warships and torpedo dodging.
And the idea of people who are responsible for the transport of a Minuteman just being like " Oh, you're EOD? From a totally different branch of the service? Sure dude, jump on this mission with us because ... the entire idea of the way that the military works is now not a thing because giant monsters."
And then when you spend 20-30 minutes setting up why you can't deliver a nuke by helicopter because of the dangers of EMP and you need a train, and then the train gets f'd and the next scene is a helicopter delivering that nuke... that is just bad storytelling.
Oh, and Pacific Rim is trash compared to this. Utter trash.
I like Giant robots fighting kaiju and Pacific rim was a terrible movie which was not actually for fans of the genre. I almost walked out when the 'sword' button happened. The tech, monsters, premise was fine, the movie was *BAD*. You want to talk about watering down a movie for mass market appeal? that was Pacific Rim. It simply fell flat at it. It was garbage on every level.
And the thing is, there was a lot of on-screen monsters and fighting. But it was correctly limited to not be pointlessly gratuitous and repetitive. It wasn't exactly going to be an MMA fight of two skilled combatants who were sparring in an interesting fight. it really was monsters flailing around. To dwell on it, would have ruined the movie and added nothing. The critical showdown was shown as well as the actually interesting and meaningful altercations.
If anything Godzilla was better fight scenes, better depictions of actual monsters interacting with the story and situation and was way more emotionally driven and invested. Even the MUTOs had character and purpose. This is a way better film for Kaiju fans than Pacific Rim ever was and in no way felt diluted.
No, there was nothing redeeming about that movie. They actually ruined what could have been great giant robot action by making them simply pointlessly irrelevant. There is a reason why we didn't punch our prey to death when we became the apex predator and a reason robots don't punch monsters to death. The fight scenes were actually pretty terrible which was accentuated with the 'touching the swinging ball desk toy'. Taking robots out of the fight before it even started was also a giant waste.
It was totally diluted for mass market appeal and it failed in being a great fan film and having mass appeal. It was a terrible story with bad premise, bad acting and terrible characters. They could have made a reasonable story and depicted it all better and had a real film, but they chose to make popcorn munching crap and make it a jokey parody of the genre opposed to a legitimate attempt at it.
I could not disagree more. Argue all you want, Pacific Rim had a tight, cohesive and simple without being entirely stupid plot. Godzilla had a lot of nonsensical garbage. Pacific Rim had probably the best cinematography for monster fights ever, and the best 3d (as in adding to scenes without distracting) that I've seen. Admittedly I saw Godzilla in 2d, but I doubt it improved on Pacific Rim in any reasonable way. Yeah. Categorically disagree on basically all of your points. Pacific Rim is one of my favorite movies of this century and Godzilla is utterly forgettable.
