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If someone is close enough to notice subtle differences in your eyebrows, they are probably on their way in for a kiss. At which point they aren’t going to be bothered. At your ages at least. I’m working on a nice set of crazy old man eyebrows, that reach out into other people’s personal space. When I was getting my hair cut Tuesday, the barber offered to trim them back. I declined, as at my age I’ll take my hair where I can get it.

Speaking as a bisexual man, none of you sissies who have posted pictures in the past few pages are ugly. Some of you I would acknowledge as being objectively attractive, if not by my standards (for guys I tend to prefer slender pretty boys).

Ashiraya, your jaw isn't particularly large, nor your eyes bushy. With that said, yeah, you do look slightly androgynous. *shrugs*

A lot of that probably comes from the aforementioned in this thread srs bsns expression (IIRC studies have shown that frowning and gak is seen as more masculine, whereas happiness is feminine) you're toting, particularly the sternness of your mouth, but I still think you're plenty attractive. In particular I really like your soft-looking, voluminous hair. It's really pretty.

@ashiraya: You look alright. Your face does look a bit masculine but still decent enough. I'm rather curious about your nationality. Are your family from eastern europe? For some reason you have that look about your facial features. Maybe it's just me. I could see your face in that picture as being a bit intimidating. You look like a girl somebody doesn't want to mess with or else they'll get beaten up.

Not sure why you're posting in this thread though. I feel like most girls that are wargamers or gamers at all instantly have an advantage over other girls. I mean don't get me wrong personality matters too. Bossy and controlling women for instance bother me. My point though is that most war-gamer guys would do anything to have a war-gamer girlfriend that's even halfway decent in every other aspect. It's more a matter of numbers of guys vs girls in the given hobby.

My only real advice is maybe try to look a bit less intimidating. Also i wouldn't be surprised if you could get a pretty good guy at the gaming group you go to.

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Here's me. I'm the one on the top of the other 3 guys.



It's not the best type of picture but one of the only good ones i could find of me. Sometimes i can look pretty good but it's dependent on several factors like how much i give a crap about how i look that day (usually if i plan to go out somewhere) and also depending on my skin condition which comes and goes. Sometimes the redness around and on my nose is pretty bad. The older i get the more physical problems seem to come around that i never had. That said i feel like my looks have been reaching a peak. Not that it's saying too much but if i want to capitalize on it i should do it right away.

Oh and i think i've been told i look a bit like Charlie from "it's always sunny in philadelphia" in the picture though not quite as lovable i'm sure.

Everyone's posting pictures? Late to the party as usual, but well, here's le moi, taken a week ago. Behold!

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Everyone's posting pictures? Late to the party as usual, but well, here's le moi, taken a week ago. Behold!

Spoiler:

Not bad. I just added a picture of myself in the last post. I think i can find another for this one. You kind of look like one of those kids from an 80's movie about teenagers.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Everyone's posting pictures? Late to the party as usual, but well, here's le moi, taken a week ago. Behold!

Spoiler:

Not bad. I just added a picture of myself in the last post. I think i can find another for this one. You kind of look like one of those kids from an 80's movie about teenagers.

I do hope I won't horribly die, then

Looking pretty cool there, you!

Another pic of me (in the NASA t-shirt). For some odd reason i look really good in pictures of myself with shades. Normally i let me eyes show. I'm just normally very un-photogenic.



@thenoobbomb: Oh i meant one of those high school movies like about angst or something or possibly 'ferris bueller's day off' or something. That said i'm imagining you in one of the most terribly acted lines ever. "They eating him....and then they're gonna eat me! Oh my GOOODDDDDDDD!!!"

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As far as dating goes i'm not trying too hard recently. I might give it another shot when i go back to school. There's also some girl that plays warhammer fantasy that seems ok. She's actually kind of weird (in saying inappropriate things) but that suits me i guess since i'm also really bad at that. Probably a bad idea since it's another online thing. Apparently she has red hair. She's french so i'm not sure if that's relevant. One time when my computer was having trouble working she diagnosed that i should shoot it with an uzi. I would have to say that's a pretty stellar response for a girl i might want go for. Not sure if i want to pursue that too hard. Online things tend not to work out for me or many other people for that matter. I just sort of look for relationships online since i used to move a lot with my family. Believe me moving a lot sucks esp. when your country is as big as the USA.

Some time ago i asked out a girl i met in that one physics class. She seemed really flattered by her voice but she had a boyfriend and had one since the start of the class.

No idea why everyone is posting pics, but I want to join in.

I'm planning on getting in to the whole dating/relationships game once I return to university in January. I'm doubtful that my ugly mug will attract the ladies!

Guys, just go out and look at couples in the street and you'll see that looks have nothing to do with it (for men).

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Guys, just go out and look at couples in the street and you'll see that looks have nothing to do with it (for men).

That's just as untrue as a claim that looks have everything to do with it. Everyone is different when it comes to attraction, so one person might think nothing of someone's looks and another might think everything of them, but for most people looks will probably factor somewhere in the vague middle-area between those two extremes, for both men and women.

flamingkillamajig wrote:Are your family from eastern europe? For some reason you have that look about your facial features. Maybe it's just me.

My grandfather is from Estonia but otherwise I'm an ethnic Swede. I didn't expect that to be noticeable.

I could see your face in that picture as being a bit intimidating. You look like a girl somebody doesn't want to mess with or else they'll get beaten up.

>:3



Why so?

Not sure why you're posting in this thread though. I feel like most girls that are wargamers or gamers at all instantly have an advantage over other girls. I mean don't get me wrong personality matters too. Bossy and controlling women for instance bother me. My point though is that most war-gamer guys would do anything to have a war-gamer girlfriend that's even halfway decent in every other aspect. It's more a matter of numbers of guys vs girls in the given hobby.

Yes and no. Easy to find someone, but hard to find the right one. And when I do, I want to be prepared.

Also i wouldn't be surprised if you could get a pretty good guy at the gaming group you go to.

No. No, no, no. At our local GW there's pretty much only whiny pre-teens and young boys. Not what I am after.

My gaming group is... nice, but none of them interest me romantically.

An advantage of being in this hobby is a wide selection and low competition, I guess.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Not sure why you're posting in this thread though. I feel like most girls that are wargamers or gamers at all instantly have an advantage over other girls. I mean don't get me wrong personality matters too. Bossy and controlling women for instance bother me. My point though is that most war-gamer guys would do anything to have a war-gamer girlfriend that's even halfway decent in every other aspect. It's more a matter of numbers of guys vs girls in the given hobby.

It's not that easy. Sure, if you're a woman and a gamer you can probably walk into the average game store, say "anyone want a girlfriend?", and get plenty of offers. You can also make an online dating profile, say "I want casual sex", and get plenty of offers. But unless you have no standards and just want the first vaguely-acceptable man willing to date/have sex with you those offers don't really mean much. If you have higher standards there's no real advantage to being a woman, and you can have just as much trouble as any man trying to get a date with a specific person of interest.

 Ashiraya wrote:

flamingkillamajig wrote:Are your family from eastern europe? For some reason you have that look about your facial features. Maybe it's just me.

My grandfather is from Estonia but otherwise I'm an ethnic Swede. I didn't expect that to be noticeable.

I could see your face in that picture as being a bit intimidating. You look like a girl somebody doesn't want to mess with or else they'll get beaten up.

>:3



Why so?

Not sure why you're posting in this thread though. I feel like most girls that are wargamers or gamers at all instantly have an advantage over other girls. I mean don't get me wrong personality matters too. Bossy and controlling women for instance bother me. My point though is that most war-gamer guys would do anything to have a war-gamer girlfriend that's even halfway decent in every other aspect. It's more a matter of numbers of guys vs girls in the given hobby.

Yes and no. Easy to find someone, but hard to find the right one. And when I do, I want to be prepared.

Also i wouldn't be surprised if you could get a pretty good guy at the gaming group you go to.

No. No, no, no. At our local GW there's pretty much only whiny pre-teens and young boys. Not what I am after.

My gaming group is... nice, but none of them interest me romantically.

An advantage of being in this hobby is a wide selection and low competition, I guess.

As far as the estonia thing goes i didn't know what country and it was just a guess. I seem to be able to pinpoint eastern european features really well and for me i just say eastern europe as a blanket statement. I honestly have no idea which specific country because as far as i know they could be just about all the same in physical appearance. In a different case there's one guy that didn't know how i knew he was even partly asian even though he was only about one quarter asian. I told him i didn't know how people wouldn't notice. I think he said those features were probably the only vastly different features whereas all the others were just various european countries. I'm also pretty good at spotting vietnamese people. The only real trick is that their skin is usually much tanner. Even then i suppose it could be other countries in southeast asia.

You just look super serious in that picture. You just might want to not look so serious if that's not what you're like. Sometimes people just look a certain way even if that's not how they are. You seem more easily approachable online. Possibly how you come off to people online is your inner voice and not your outside voice that you talk to people with.

My advice on having trouble finding the right person is try to be yourself and find somebody attracted to your personality. If you act a certain way to impress somebody they won't be impressed with the real you if they even are impressed. Sure it might be fun in the short term but if you want somebody in the long term you might want to just be yourself. Also i'd hate to say it and hope i don't offend but you seemed to kind of suck up to melissia a bit. I find it good to have differences in tastes even with your friends. For instance during a time i used to be critical of movies and games like those annoying gaming critics everybody used to love because they were funny. Then i realized i don't want to be cynical and sarcastic because that attitude is kind of disgusting in my opinion (though i still enjoy some of them and their humor). Not to mention you can't tell me somebody goes into a movie like freaking 'Transformers' by michael bay and expects a coherent plot with well written characters and a compelling story. It's a stupid action movie and you saw it coming in. So yeah i don't even totally mind liking the kennedy/castro/kennedy zombies scene in 'call of duty: black ops'. It's hilarious and deserves some credit for it if nothing else.

As far as the gaming group goes i find it nice that at my GW somebody can just reference an 80's action movie or some nerdy reference and at least one other person will get it if not more. The great thing about GW's is that if nothing else a lot of people there are nerds with everything else as well. I guess you'd have to like a lot of other nerdy things if you like warhammer.

My gaming group has pretty much always been guys. In the whole time i've been there there's been maybe 2-3 girl players and one was a GW store manager at one point and good looking but i'd never really seen her much seeing as she worked at another GW at the time. Most girls that get interested in warhammer prefer to paint of all things. Dunno why but it boggles my mind.

As far as the guys at the GW it ranges from kids to pre-teens, old guys, army dudes and a mixture of beardy guys, average guys and even some good looking guys (saying this as a heterosexual man). Some of the decent looking guys have been jerks though but there has been a couple that were fairly nice and to be fair their have been some fairly smug power gamers, jerks and nerds that weren't so great looking.

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Also ashiraya was that friend that did that picture of you a guy? If so said person might like you. You never really know. The reason why i try not to be in friendship relationships with people of the opposite sex is that chances are one person or the other tends to have interests as more than friends. That's why it's best to just be fairly straightforward when those feelings arise. Sure they may reject you but it's better finding out right away than one of you waiting infinitely for nothing. Besides what if you both like each other and just don't know.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

Also ashiraya was that friend that did that picture of you a guy? If so said person might like you.

Being a guy isn't a prerequisite for your second statement to be true.

I find the lack of testosterone disturbing.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

Also ashiraya was that friend that did that picture of you a guy? If so said person might like you.

Being a guy isn't a prerequisite for your second statement to be true.

Oh that's true. That said there are still more straight people than gay. I mean i could probably totally be ok with just being friends with a girl if she is gay. That said it's only my attraction to her that would matter really. So if i'm not interested then i'm fine just being friends.

I've just known plenty of people with lots of friends of the opposite sex and i keep thinking to myself that there's no way they all just want to be friends. It's probably not always the case but usually the better looking person with an outgoing personality and certain assets is the one that sees the other person as just a friend whereas the other person that is probably more socially awkward tends to be the one looking for more than friendship.

Also i mean come on have you guys ever seen the one girl surrounded by all the guy friends. Do you really think they all just want friendship? I'm telling you right now that's not the case and i'm sure a lot of us know that. In fact i'm betting a lot of those guys want more than friendship. I won't say every guy though as there are some circumstances.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
I've just known plenty of people with lots of friends of the opposite sex and i keep thinking to myself that there's no way they all just want to be friends.

Maybe you need to reevaluate your stereotypes then?

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

Oh that's true. That said there are still more straight people than gay. I mean i could probably totally be ok with just being friends with a girl if she is gay. That said it's only my attraction to her that would matter really. So if i'm not interested then i'm fine just being friends.

I've just known plenty of people with lots of friends of the opposite sex and i keep thinking to myself that there's no way they all just want to be friends. It's probably not always the case but usually the better looking person with an outgoing personality and certain assets is the one that sees the other person as just a friend whereas the other person that is probably more socially awkward tends to be the one looking for more than friendship.

Also i mean come on have you guys ever seen the one girl surrounded by all the guy friends. Do you really think they all just want friendship? I'm telling you right now that's not the case and i'm sure a lot of us know that. In fact i'm betting a lot of those guys want more than friendship. I won't say every guy though as there are some circumstances.

Not the case in Sweden (this is a stereotype and I don't actually believe this).

As for the second part of your post, oh, I don't know about all that. I mean, throughout high school and even now in college I have far more female friends and acquaintances than male. Surely that's not because they are all attracted to me, right? I mean come on. That would be ridiculous.

To be fairer, Flamingkillamajig did say, "a lot" and definitely qualified against saying "all."

To be honest, I don't think he's a million miles off the mark, it happens and does exist out there.

Well i mean if somebody is in a relationship sure but you can't tell me an attractive girl with like 12 guy friends all of which are single are just all there to be her friend (in fact i tend to find it very hard to just try to be friends with somebody attractive if they have other good qualities). I'm sure this is true for an attractive guy as well. I mean sure don't get me wrong maybe some of them are gay or maybe there truly is a friendship going on but in a lot of cases if i want to be a friend with a girl the only thing separating me from wanting to be friends and more than friends is looks. I mean there are nice girls sure but chances are if they're just nice with no similar interests it probably won't work. I've had friends with no similar interests but we were both nice to each other. Those friendships didn't last because we had nothing in common we could do together. I know it might be different with the opposite sex since you can do stuff with them but i'd at least like some common interests. Funny thing is that doesn't seem to happen too much. I seem to find most women liking different things from me with a few exceptions (psychology is a class more women seem to like for some reason and i enjoyed it).

I dunno, I have a friend group of nine or so guys who I've known for, like, six years now, and I've never witnessed as much as a single case of flirting. At first we were simply in the same class but the class was split up after 3 years.
Many of my hobbies are more popular among men, so from that perspective it's of course easier to get male friends.

I guess some people just want to be that, friends.


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 Void__Dragon wrote:
In particular I really like your soft-looking, voluminous hair. It's really pretty.

Also, this needs special thanks. I love my hair! One part of me that I feel genetics got right.

@ashiraya: It's always worth checking out. I mean if they don't have girlfriends and they're always hanging around you it might be a thing. Just ask em (when you're alone with each one) and find out. I mean it's more likely if you're super attractive that they want to be more than friends but still it happens. I mean i once told my half nephew's girlfriend this and she'd had plenty of guy friends for years too and her response was, "Believe me i know unfortunately."

I dunno for me it's just hard to be just friends with women. You also never know if one or the other is interested. It might also depend on how many possible candidates they have for a girlfriend or boyfriend.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Well i mean if somebody is in a relationship sure but you can't tell me an attractive girl with like 12 guy friends all of which are single are just all there to be her friend (in fact i tend to find it very hard to just try to be friends with somebody attractive if they have other good qualities). I'm sure this is true for an attractive guy as well. I mean sure don't get me wrong maybe some of them are gay or maybe there truly is a friendship going on but in a lot of cases if i want to be a friend with a girl the only thing separating me from wanting to be friends and more than friends is looks. I mean there are nice girls sure but chances are if they're just nice with no similar interests it probably won't work. I've had friends with no similar interests but we were both nice to each other. Those friendships didn't last because we had nothing in common we could do together. I know it might be different with the opposite sex since you can do stuff with them but i'd at least like some common interests. Funny thing is that doesn't seem to happen too much. I seem to find most women liking different things from me with a few exceptions (psychology is a class more women seem to like for some reason and i enjoyed it).

A lot of them will just be friends, about 3ish of them will show more interest in general. If the girl isn't interested and realise that's all they hang around for the friendship fades quickly as well.

It probably varies from person to person i guess. It's still a possibility. After 6 years probably not so much but it's still worth finding out. Sometimes people throw out possible hints that they are interested but in some cases it might be your imagination. It's still worth looking into a bit.

Considering you're so ridiculously young ashiraya 6 years to you is a third of your life and at 12 years old there's a strong possibility they might just be friends. The whole childhood friend thing sometimes has a sort of brother/sister effect on people. Still i'm not completely sure.

Just personal experience, but very few people would wait that long before mentioning it. If they did I'd question how long they had feelings for and maybe wonder about a lack of confidence and uncertainty there.

Yeah i'm seeing your point there as well. 6 years is an awfully long time to go without saying something in that regard. Can't say war-gamers aren't often socially inept though. I mean yeah many seem decent enough to engage in conversation and such since it's a hobby where you interact in person but often with some war-gaming stores the lack of females probably takes its toll on their ability to engage women. Still 6 years doesn't sound like something anybody would wait for without so much as a blip on the flirtation detector.

It's a stereotype really. It's stupid to believe they would be from the start.

Yes well you can only really say from personal experience and if you don't have it you don't really know for sure.

For me personally i don't think i could just be friends with a girl as one of us would probably like the other as more. There are exceptions like family members, peoples of a large age gap (won't stop everybody though), super long time friends and being of different sexual preferences. I dunno perhaps the reason why i can't just be friends is that i don't have enough female choices to be picky enough to just have friends. Part of that is my lifestyle not allowing me to meet a lot of women and also not liking things that women also like. Things seemed to work out alright in my physics 2 class though. I felt like i was getting some looks in there. Can't say i clicked too well with any of them unfortunately. That's usually infrequent.

I suppose my biggest problem is more getting out there and meeting women or putting myself in a position to meet them. I mean you can have it all but if you aren't around the gender or genders you're interested in you're not gonna get squat.

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Anyway i'm getting pretty tired over here so i'll be heading to bed for now.

Exactly, there's that little bit of luck there too.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
I dunno perhaps the reason why i can't just be friends is that i don't have enough female choices to be picky enough to just have friends.

And this explains a lot. You can't see how friendship could ever work because you feel the obligation to pursue even people who aren't a very good match, just because you're desperate and don't think you'll get any better chances. If/when you get into a better situation you'll hopefully realize that you don't actually want to date every woman you meet, but some of them are still worth having as friends. It's definitely something you need to work on for three reasons:

1) If availability is your main (only?) requirement you're going to waste your time and happiness on bad relationships with people you should never have considered. Even in a shallow dating pool you still have to have standards.

2) Desperation isn't sexy. If you're assuming that every woman you meet has to be a potential date it's very likely that people are going to pick up on this attitude and keep their distance from you.

3) You're missing out on potential friendships that add happiness to your life. You're rejecting some of them because being "just friends" (as if friendship has no value) isn't an option for you, and you're probably going to ruin others by being awkward and trying to force the other person into the "date or nothing" box.