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2015/02/12 01:04:48
Subject: Re:Gundam, Mecha and other SF Kits for possible use in 40K.
"five to seven inches tall" is definitely a common sweet spot, or target product size, due to whatever combination of manufacturing factors.
I mean, faced with the choice between making something ridiculous like the 1/144 Neo Zeong from Gundam Unicorn in the same scale as the rest of the models, you'd expect a company to choose to bend the scale rather than produce a model that weighs (and costs) ten to twenty times as much as the lesser 1/144 kits. http://www.hlj.com/product/ban989507/Gun
You've got to keep in mind that these models are dealing with the square/cube law as far as the number of additional molds (and the number of additional parts) required as the size of the model increases. Because those hollow robot models aren't really hollow, but instead have all sorts of internal supports and places for things to connect.
2015/02/12 01:23:21
Subject: Gundam, Mecha and other SF Kits for possible use in 40K.
Yeah, I actually have built a dozen or so 1/144 Gundam kits and a handful of the SD kits. I've always found it to be rather inventive for them to have found a way to make a model kit that functions like an action figure.
I don't expect tabletop manufacturers to do that but I would hope they would have at least learned some of the tricks used by Tamiya and Dragon on their military kits by now (edit: I meant if they aren't going to learn from makers like Bandai) :/
I do think that the limit is an arbitrary thing.. not by guys like Bandai mind you..but whoever makes the industrial equipment that handles the tooling and molding process. I only say that because I can walk down to Wal-Mart and buy a generic oversize helicopter for like $8-$15.. one of those that's like 2' long with all the "not-GI Joes".. or those massive Star Wars (I have Vader.. I think he's like 2' tall). I think I paid $15 for that and the quality is not bad at all. Granted, he doesn't have a lot of smaller aspects to him, as he's all scaled up, but the edges are crisp and the proportions and form are exactly what I would expect of a Darth Vader. Pegasus Hobbies is another example.. those guys have some really massive figures at extremely reasonable prices.
Please keep in mind, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, just trying to have a conversation about all of this. I've been gaming and buying and building models since the late 90s. I've just not really paid that much attention to this specific market of kits, toys, and assorted whatnots I'm eyeballing a 3' Godzilla toy that looks
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But that Neo Zeong looks so impressive surrounded by the regular kits on the store
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2015/02/12 02:08:49
Subject: Re:Gundam, Mecha and other SF Kits for possible use in 40K.
I looked at some of the large spaceship type models for conversions.. granted they'd need modification and have to be something else.. like a large lander or what have you.. but man that's an impressive amount of beautiful plastic!
The 1/1000 scale kits of Yamato 2199 I have are beautifully made, and also easy to assemble.
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2015/02/12 04:47:58
Subject: Gundam, Mecha and other SF Kits for possible use in 40K.
It looks to be roughly 7-9" and has an opening cockpit with some kind of pilot guy. The stuff they're showing on Facebook is insane.
I subscribed to all of their stuff to get news on this guy's release. To say I'm excited about this would be silly >_>
EDIT: Herpaderp..
The mecha is 9" tall and the pilot is 2" tall.. The pilot has stuff on his shoulders so I'm thinking that guy is roughly 1/35 or smaller... at that close it probably won't matter for conversions. I just hope this thing's pricepoint isn't ridiculous..
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It looks to be roughly 7-9" and has an opening cockpit with some kind of pilot guy. The stuff they're showing on Facebook is insane.
I subscribed to all of their stuff to get news on this guy's release. To say I'm excited about this would be silly >_>
EDIT: Herpaderp.. The mecha is 9" tall and the pilot is 2" tall.. The pilot has stuff on his shoulders so I'm thinking that guy is roughly 1/35 or smaller... at that close it probably won't matter for conversions. I just hope this thing's pricepoint isn't ridiculous..
The Leynos suits I use for not-knights are 6" tall at 1/35 scale cost was 50-60 a pop, still cheaper than the 140bucks for the GW Knights.
Presently Out of stock, but they get resupplied every so often
Scale shot with an Eisenkern trooper and a light tank I made [/img]
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2015/02/12 07:07:20
Subject: Gundam, Mecha and other SF Kits for possible use in 40K.
It looks to be roughly 7-9" and has an opening cockpit with some kind of pilot guy. The stuff they're showing on Facebook is insane.
I subscribed to all of their stuff to get news on this guy's release. To say I'm excited about this would be silly >_>
EDIT: Herpaderp..
The mecha is 9" tall and the pilot is 2" tall.. The pilot has stuff on his shoulders so I'm thinking that guy is roughly 1/35 or smaller... at that close it probably won't matter for conversions. I just hope this thing's pricepoint isn't ridiculous..
As a professional pessimist, I'm expecting that to have a ridiculous price point.
It does look neat. Although, looking at one of the reviews for the action figure, I realized that I'm actually a bit disappointed that it's a pre-assembled action figure. I like putting stuff together, I don't want to pay a factory worker to do it for me.
I ended up watching one of the review videos on the Facebook page, and two dates got mentioned:
- Preorders in March
- Release in "third quarter"
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2015/02/12 17:05:49
Subject: Gundam, Mecha and other SF Kits for possible use in 40K.
Cool, I'm going to be doing chargebacks on Kickstarters that haven't delivered.. hopefully that'll free up some funds so I'll be ready when this thing goes to pre-order
So, going back to something I was curious about..
Out of the various mecha toys..
It seems like Frame Arms tend to be on the larger side outside of toys like the Pacific Rim 18". Are there any that come to mind in that 8-12" pocket? I've been looking at them for days but I can't tell which ones are what since a lot of sites are listing box size instead of figure size.
I found some backordered 1/48 gundams on HLJ for somewhere around 50 bucks. Are there other places to source 1/48 mecha that aren't going to charge ridiculous prices? A lot of the stateside retailers are 2-3x that price. I'm mostly looking for 1/48 that have either a cockpit or are big enough to have that modeled in via conversion. A massive diorama is in my future. EDIT: I see 1/48 Aura Battlers and they look like they might have cockpits.. but I can't tell.. the pictures I've found are super unhelpful. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OC0TN7U/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=OI12WDV6PLVS&coliid=I2UX6BJR71DLXD
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2015/02/19 16:56:16
Subject: Gundam, Mecha and other SF Kits for possible use in 40K.
Yes, actually. The Armarauders started making the rounds on various toy sites when they were first announced two years ago. The guys working on them are former Hasbro Transformers designers.
Have a review:
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2015/02/19 17:14:23
Subject: Gundam, Mecha and other SF Kits for possible use in 40K.
Thanks Platuan, that actually helped me decide against buying this guy. It's extremely cool as a toy but it seems like he'd be a giant PITA for gaming. The display platform is very cool and the opening cockpit gives me a lot of ideas, I think I'm just going to have to find a kit that is perhaps a little less poseable
So after seeing a picture of it in this thread last year I purchased my son an MG Jesta which I put away for his 7th birthday because he loves giant robots (I guess they all do at that age!). His birthday was on the weekend and while I was initially surprised by the parts count, he was undaunted and very keen to get clipping! All those years playing with lego have obviously paid off because he's building it faster than I can clean up the parts!
Now I want one for myself! Does anyone make a 1/100 - or bigger - version of the Jahannam from a few pages back?
Siygess wrote: So after seeing a picture of it in this thread last year I purchased my son an MG Jesta which I put away for his 7th birthday because he loves giant robots (I guess they all do at that age!). His birthday was on the weekend and while I was initially surprised by the parts count, he was undaunted and very keen to get clipping! All those years playing with lego have obviously paid off because he's building it faster than I can clean up the parts!
Now I want one for myself! Does anyone make a 1/100 - or bigger - version of the Jahannam from a few pages back?
That's impressive.. I got my 1/48 Patlabor kit in and holy cow.. there are quite a few pieces to that kit. I am definitely daunted.
Lol, you thought the Ingram had a high parts count? You'll be in for quite the surprise if you ever get a Kotobukiya model.
Sorry Siygess, Reconguista in G actually has no 1/100 scale kits. Only the smaller 1/144. But, if you want a complicated Gundam kit in the MG class, Bandai just announced an MG 2.0 Hyaku Shiki.
Also, they announced new Reconguista and Build Fighter kits. If nobody beats me to it, I'll post pics once i can get on a proper computer.
adamsouza wrote: I've been following this thread, but I haven't kept up with anime in a decade, so I have no idea how big these things should be.
What is the physically largest robot/mecha model you know of for under $50 ?
Hobby Link Japan has some 1/48 gundams that say they're right around $50ish (if I'm reading it right) but they are seemingly never in stock.. I imagine those are something like 18" or more..
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Barzam wrote: Lol, you thought the Ingram had a high parts count? You'll be in for quite the surprise if you ever get a Kotobukiya model.
Sorry Siygess, Reconguista in G actually has no 1/100 scale kits. Only the smaller 1/144. But, if you want a complicated Gundam kit in the MG class, Bandai just announced an MG 2.0 Hyaku Shiki.
Also, they announced new Reconguista and Build Fighter kits. If nobody beats me to it, I'll post pics once i can get on a proper computer.
lol, well to my defense, I kinda expected it to be less like my military model kits and more like my 1//144 gundam kits.. I've got a pair of airfix 1/48 Landrovers that are in just about as many parts. My 1/48 Hasegawa YF-19 might have a few more pieces.. I need to build it too.. (starting to see a pattern here.. )
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adamsouza wrote: I've been following this thread, but I haven't kept up with anime in a decade, so I have no idea how big these things should be.
What is the physically largest robot/mecha model you know of for under $50 ?
Hobby Link Japan has some 1/48 gundams that say they're right around $50ish (if I'm reading it right) but they are seemingly never in stock.. I imagine those are something like 18" or more..
Thank you for the suggestion.
It drives me nuts that they give you the box dimensions, but no real indication of how big the actual model is.
USD $20. and it's actually in stock
Doesn't say the size, but it has a 1/48 pilot sitting in the chest
Spoiler:
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some of HLJ's descriptions do give the actual model sizes.
Adamsouza, check some of my posts further back. I've got a pic of that Ingram next to some 28mm figures and Deadzone scenery (or just check my gallery).
Adamsouza, in that price range, I think you're generally going to find most robot kits to clock in somewhere between 6"-8". Kotobukiya's kits are all generally fairly large, so you can't go wrong there. But, if you can find them, you may want to check out Bandai's short lived Real Robot Revolution model kit line. There's only about four kits in it though: L-Gaim Mk.II (1/100), Layzner (1/48), V-Max Layzner (also 1/48), and the Walker Gallier (1/100). The Layzners are probably the easier kits to find. There's not too much difference between the two variants though. But, that 1/100 L-Gaim? That thing should be pretty damn big. Plus, I'm pretty sure it has a full internal skeleton.
Alternatively, if you don't mind 1980's engineering, you can actually pick up a lot of Bandai's old model kits for just a few bucks. Some of the 1/100 Vifam models, particularly the bad guy ones are pretty large.
I mentioned I would post some pics of the newly announced bandai kits. Pics are probably going to be kind of big.
MG Hyaku Shiki v.2
HGBF Gundam The End (spoiler due to size)
Spoiler:
HGBF Denial Gundam and HGBF Bolden Arms
Spoiler:
HGBF Tryon 3 (ZZ redesigned into a 3 animal combining super robot) and HGBF ver. Crossbone X1 Full Cloth
Spoiler:
Reconguista in G Cait Sith & Jusdia (Jusdia looks really cool)
Bandai also announced, completely out of nowhere, that they're redoing some of their early HGUC releases with brand new sculpts.
HGUC RX-78-2 Ver.2
Spoiler:
HGUC RX-77-2 Guncannon ver. 2
Spoiler:
the new sculpt is VERY apparent on the Guncannon. The Gundam doesn't have those ugly proportions the original release did, either.
Kotobukiya is also continuing their Majestic Prince releases with Gold 4. I'm kind of surprised, since Blue 1 belonged to the secondary hero character, I figured that would've come next. Very curious if they're going to do Purple 2 and Rose 3. Rose 3 especially, since that thing is around the size of the GP-03 Dendrobium when its got its full loadout. Gold 4
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Kotobukiya also has a Z.O.E. Anubis kit in two different sizes that I'm trying real hard not to buy to use as a Wraithknigt.
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2015/02/24 10:52:30
Subject: Gundam, Mecha and other SF Kits for possible use in 40K.
Barzam, the RX-78-2 Revive version appears to be a remold based on the Amazing Red Warrior, so that's why it seems to be out of nowhere. I guess they figured it would be easy to crank out another kit.
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adamsouza - I just got that kit in.. it's what we were talking about.
The pilot is a tiny bit smaller than a 28mm.. but it's not something you're going to notice honestly. I plan on leaving the pilot out.. when you have it closed you can't see if there's someone in it and I will have it open for display in an open mechbay scene so empty seat is better for me.
MLaw wrote: adamsouza - I just got that kit in.. it's what we were talking about.
The pilot is a tiny bit smaller than a 28mm.. but it's not something you're going to notice honestly. I plan on leaving the pilot out.. when you have it closed you can't see if there's someone in it and I will have it open for display in an open mechbay scene so empty seat is better for me.
Thank you for the feedback.
That is what worries me with these kits. 1/48 Model railroad people are usually bigger than 28mm, 32mm heroic etc...
MLaw wrote: adamsouza - I just got that kit in.. it's what we were talking about. The pilot is a tiny bit smaller than a 28mm.. but it's not something you're going to notice honestly. I plan on leaving the pilot out.. when you have it closed you can't see if there's someone in it and I will have it open for display in an open mechbay scene so empty seat is better for me.
Thank you for the feedback.
That is what worries me with these kits. 1/48 Model railroad people are usually bigger than 28mm, 32mm heroic etc...
Are you talking about O scale Model Railroad? Remember that those are not a perfect match and a lot less care is given to making them size appropriate than the O scale trains. They are intended to be background elements on a table or barely visible inside a building or in a train car. I mentioned having a 1/48 Hasegawa YF-19 earlier.. I matched him up more or less perfectly to quite a few of my 28mm figures. GW stuff is clownish and oversized.. I'm sorry.. heroic scaled.. so it doesn't always match properly. I also have some Revell, airfix, and Tamiya 1/48 kits and have compared things like seat size, height of windows, diameter of wheels, and where possible, size of people. A lot of 1/48 stuff seemed small at first due to all the heroic scale I had worked with but if you pay attention to guys like Dwartist or some of the others out there, you see them using the kits and it looks natural when photographed. That said, there are some 1/48 kits.. especially slightly older ones, that just don't match up. I do have an old Tamiya 1/48 troop transport truck (I'd have to look at the name) and it seems to be closer to the 1/56-1/60 side of things.. but I believe it was originally tooled before the advent of digital model planning as it currently exists.
When I start assembling the Patlabor kit I will set the pilot aside. I have a GW gunner from the old IG stuff who is in a similar position along with an I-Kore void 28mm chaingunner who is curled into a firing position... it should give you a good idea of the size difference. Someone else posted the 1/48 Ingram kit we're discussing a page or two ago. It has a nice, substantial feel. If you see the show or movies, these vehicles are large but they're not really Gundam or Ultraman sized. More like Stay Puft Marshmallow Man or maybe the newer King Kong sized.
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That was me that posted the Ingram. It's standing next to some Mantic Enforcers so you can get a sense of the scale. Check my gallery if you want to see more pics.
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