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Games Workshop had always had its issues. I've been in the hobby for over fifteen years now, and I absolutely have been frustrated by the company.

However, I have to say that I am actually really, really happy with how things have been going recently. I was always a bit upset at the speed of their rules and model updates, and we've been getting those with so much more speed in the past year. I was also always a bit grumpy about the fact that there were so many restrictions on the awesome models I could and could not use in games, looking at the craziness on FW and thinking that I would never actually get a chance to field some super-heavy monstrosity. Now, I absolutely can whenever I'd like!

There has also been a trend towards allowing big, exciting, scary units into armies. I could not be more thrilled. Please, please keep them coming! Riptides, Wraithknights, Deathknights, and Now Imperial Knights are all now going to be regularly fielded in games. The Tyranid releases looked amazing as well, and we finally got flyers that shook up the dynamic of the game and added new elements of strategy. I have literally never been more excited about 40k! In fact, though I see some people say that these changes were driving them away, it has really drawn me back in! The quality of the models, the scale and power in even common games, the horrifying monstrosities you get to bring down. It's just...so cool.

I'll just end it here, but I could go on. Hope you don't mind this minor inclusion of optimism into the grimdarkery of your grimdark future.

P.S. I'm not blind to rule-balance issues and blatantly silly things. Serpent Shields are absolutely silly and do not fit at all. Rerollable 2++ is clearly broken. I'm just saying that funky rules issues and broken units have always and will always exist, but in general things are better now than ever in my opinion.

Edited by insaniak. Please see Dakka's Rule#1

Post restored and expanded by Arschbombe.

Stupid is as stupid does.

40k has entered its stupid phase. Escalation is stupid. Allies, as used by the playerbase, have become stupid. We've got a $17 dataslate for a single, $17 model. That's stupid. Tyranids have a new, substandard codex being released in four parts. That's stupid. They've given up completely on making a coherent, balanced game. They're just throwing crap at the wall and seeing what sticks. It's stupid. A 4x6 table is no longer big enough to hold all the stupid, oversized models. Does anyone remember when dreadnoughts were considered big? They can't be bothered to maintain the codices and armies we already have in a timely fashion, but they can release new ones. That's stupid.

That there are folks out there that are really enjoying this stupidity amazes me. But then so does coprophagy.

Calvin-ball can be fun too, I guess.

I'm also realy happy with GW at the moment, since I don't play competetively I've been able to avoid the worst balancing issues and the quick release of more models that look awsome, additional options for using them, eg supplements and stronghold assault and new codexes.

Well, I really liked the Sixth edition main rules. I've been fairly neutral on the latest codexes - I don't see them as overall much better or worse than fourth or fifth edition ones.

The models have been mostly good, especially the big centrepiece figures.

White Dwarf has improved a little since the change to weekly format.

Overall, I'm happy and looking forwards to what is coming next.

Its not perfect and never will be, there will ALWAYS be something someone disagree with but at the moment i think its pretty good since i play dark angels and they have one of the most balanced codexs

I'm happy with the speed of releases. Hopefully the days of having a 12yr old codex are gone. I say play it all. I'm saying this without owning any FW or other super heavies. I'll continue to throw my DE at them and if I lose I'll come back with a new list. People will complain either way. "The rules take forever to come out" or "I can't keep up with all the new stuff lets ban it".

 slk28850 wrote:
I'm happy with the speed of releases. Hopefully the days of having a 12yr old codex are gone. I say play it all. I'm saying this without owning any FW or other super heavies. I'll continue to throw my DE at them and if I lose I'll come back with a new list. People will complain either way. "The rules take forever to come out" or "I can't keep up with all the new stuff lets ban it".

100% agree with the let it all.

I have two Imperial Knights on the way, but up to now have never owned any super-heavies or anything. Part of the fun of the game is testing the might of your army against varying threats. Sure, I enjoy playing games with army limits (especially in lengthy campaigns) but really, I would never want somebody to "nerf" their own army so I could feel better about mine. It would make any victory I had feel hollow.

I'm not very happy with GW as their prices are so high, but I do like the direction the game is going. I love huge monsters and tanks, so yes please, keep them coming!

 Iron_Captain wrote:
I'm not very happy with GW as their prices are so high, but I do like the direction the game is going. I love huge monsters and tanks, so yes please, keep them coming!

Their prices are super high, no getting around that. I definitely wish they'd reign them in a bit, moreso to encourage newer players to build up good armies quickly than anything.

Still, for me personally it is still great entertainment value per dollar spent. The $140 Imperial Knight Is going to probably take me about four hours to clean, magnetize and assemble, and then probably another 8 hours at least to paint and base. That's about $12 per hour of entertainment value if you're like me and enjoy doing those things, and that doesn't even take into account the hours and hours of enjoyment I'll get out of gaming with them. It's a high cost, but given the quality of their models is really not outside the realm of high-quality models in general.

But that's probably just how I justify spending hundreds on plastic crack to myself.

Assembly is fun, but painting is a chore at best, a gradual torture at worst. It's a handicap to the *actual* fun of playing a game.

That said, I'm not happy with pretty much everything the OP enjoys. I hate the big stompy models, I hate fliers, and I'd really like the rules to go back to what was roughly "There are a gazillion super-deadly things out there that make a game unfun. THIS game is about small units trying to root one another out of a cramped environment that neutralizes those supernasty things by existing. This is a story about the guys with the hard load."

Much more fun than a game of "Take cover while the air force bombs you." or "Sit there and take models off the board while my superheavy X dominates the board since you didn't bring a superheavy gun to neutralize it."

Bleah.

I have to admit- GW is making some very pretty models for me to play 4th edition with.

Not really. Things get a bit convoluted.

The new add-ons given by scalation, strongehold, and sub-escalation (Knights) have strongly shifted the meta.

The tournament scene will also be affected and will become more heterogeneous since not all tourneys will allow superheavies.

Wakshaani wrote:
Assembly is fun, but painting is a chore at best, a gradual torture at worst. It's a handicap to the *actual* fun of playing a game.

That said, I'm not happy with pretty much everything the OP enjoys. I hate the big stompy models, I hate fliers, and I'd really like the rules to go back to what was roughly "There are a gazillion super-deadly things out there that make a game unfun. THIS game is about small units trying to root one another out of a cramped environment that neutralizes those supernasty things by existing. This is a story about the guys with the hard load."

Much more fun than a game of "Take cover while the air force bombs you." or "Sit there and take models off the board while my superheavy X dominates the board since you didn't bring a superheavy gun to neutralize it."

Bleah.

Well, to be fair I do like those sorts of games as well. But that's what I think is so cool about the current state of things, we have options. I think it is equally as fun to have a bunch of guys trying to take out one behemoth monster or vice versa. It's also great to have climactic clashes of the titans in games outside of Apocalypse, which is rarely if ever played (I've never played a game in my fifteen years of wargaming) and which made it unwise to buy big crazy models simply because you'd never take them off the shelf. I find that if you want to have small skirmishes that is much better represented by simply playing lower points cost games. Having 100 dudes face off against 75 along with transports/tanks/etc. is also not very skirmish-y. But to each their own, like I said, you now have options.

As far as hating painting, I used to as well. I find that I enjoy it more now that I've gotten better (not saying you aren't good or anything). I'm glad I've started to enjoy it more, because it really is fairly integral to the hobby unless you want to play a grey tide or pay someone else to paint for you.

Speaking purely as a casual gamer and an avid painter, I am enjoying 40k now as much as I ever have, if not more.

Allies and now things like the Knights give me a lot more scope to change up my lists, and I am lucky enough not to know anyone who would abuse the combos offered by them. The core rules, while clunky in places, are good enough to tell a story with, and far more cinematic (A much-maligned word) than 5th Ed.

The accelerated release schedule means that there's a lot more to keep up with, but also helps maintain an interest whereas before I would 'zone out' of 40k for a couple of months. Dataslates (though I have yet to buy any) and rules in WDW mean that stuff not deserving of a 'full' codex can still be done, and more variety has never been a bad thing.

So yeah, I am perfectly happy with 40k as it stands (though like everyone, I can do without the price increases)

 Paradigm wrote:
Speaking purely as a casual gamer and an avid painter, I am enjoying 40k now as much as I ever have, if not more.

Allies and now things like the Knights give me a lot more scope to change up my lists, and I am lucky enough not to know anyone who would abuse the combos offered by them. The core rules, while clunky in places, are good enough to tell a story with, and far more cinematic (A much-maligned word) than 5th Ed.

The accelerated release schedule means that there's a lot more to keep up with, but also helps maintain an interest whereas before I would 'zone out' of 40k for a couple of months. Dataslates (though I have yet to buy any) and rules in WDW mean that stuff not deserving of a 'full' codex can still be done, and more variety has never been a bad thing.

So yeah, I am perfectly happy with 40k as it stands (though like everyone, I can do without the price increases)

I love the Allies system, primarily because I have army ADD and like to change things up frequently. Now I can use the units I like competitively without having to build up a completely new army. My Orks, Tau, and Necrons have never been happier, and my Dark Angels are just so ready for their new Knight Brethren!

Very happy with the current state of the game.

People will always complain about what's 'broken' with the game. In the past, there were things like Tyrannid seeding swarms, 3rd edition Iron Warriors, Slaanesh CSM with the unstoppable demon prince with the Siren power, etc., etc....

There will always be things about the game that some people don't like, while other players really enjoy those things.

I believe that the current environment is more dynamic and has more options than ever before. This is something that I like.

Others will, of course, disagree.

6th isnt soo bad to be honest, im warming to it anyway.
Things like the allies matrix are great since i can actually work on multiple armies and run them together if needed, allowing me to mix up armies.

The only thing i dislike is the way they seem to be trying to push games up in points.
Apoc was quite a big hit, and a nice touch for gamers who wanted massive games and to throw titans into them.

However, i feel that GW is slowly pushing this forward now and making it part of the normal 40k game.


If they kept super heavies out of regular 40k then i'd be happy.
Last thing i want is a casual pick up game and to be faced with a few knight's as it really does not interest me.

Its comming down to who has the biggest model with the strongest gun.



Price wise, its GW, it will continue to rise.
No point trying to argue with something already in motion.



On a huge plus point, they are slowly getting rid of this abomination that is finecast and going plastic with alot more models/units.
This really is one of the best points for me to be honest.

Honestly my main complaint with GW is that they have just given up on FAQs. I understand they do not appear to see any profit in a consistent ruleset but it is taking the piss that we're 11 months since we had a proper update to the FAQs.

However I don't think anything good can come of this thread and I'm bailing here.

 Jackal wrote:
6th isnt soo bad to be honest, im warming to it anyway.
Things like the allies matrix are great since i can actually work on multiple armies and run them together if needed, allowing me to mix up armies.

The only thing i dislike is the way they seem to be trying to push games up in points.
Apoc was quite a big hit, and a nice touch for gamers who wanted massive games and to throw titans into them.

However, i feel that GW is slowly pushing this forward now and making it part of the normal 40k game.


If they kept super heavies out of regular 40k then i'd be happy.
Last thing i want is a casual pick up game and to be faced with a few knight's as it really does not interest me.

Its comming down to who has the biggest model with the strongest gun.



Price wise, its GW, it will continue to rise.
No point trying to argue with something already in motion.



On a huge plus point, they are slowly getting rid of this abomination that is finecast and going plastic with alot more models/units.
This really is one of the best points for me to be honest.

On the issue of pushing points up, I'm just curious, what points were you playing before 6th, and are you feeling pressure to play higher points costs than you are comfortable with now?

If that's an issue I guess I haven't noticed it. I've always played in the 1850-2000 range. Unless I'm setting up a tutorial or skirmish-type game, the lowest I generally go is 1500 points. Certainly there are lots more units with higher points costs, but the points level has stayed roughly uniform for me.

i'm a painter collector rather than a gamer really, and i'm happy with the state of things at the moment. except for pirices. those suck, but the models are beautiful.

You know what I'd like?

I'd like to buy a codex, put together an army based on the rules in that codex, and then head out to the club and have a good game against whoever's there.

I can't really do that now. I need to make an army list based on who I expect to play and what I expect them to bring. If I bring my shooty Eldar list against the Nid guy, it's not gonna be a lot of fun for either of us. And if I bring my Blood Angels, it's gonna be just as lame if I run into the Daemons player.

themadlbb - I usually play anywhere between 1,000 - 2,000 pts games.
However, ive noticed alot more people recently pushing up to 2,500 simply so they can include alot of the bigger things.

Maybe its just the area i live in?
No idea really, but in the last month or so games have been getting higher on points.
Knights now have a codex, pushing a super heavy into games, bringing a D weapon with it.

If im going to play a large game, fair enough.
But i dont usually plan on playing a 1,500 game and seeing a knight or 2 land on the table.
Let alone an army of them.


Dont get me wrong, they really are lovely models and i have ordered one because of that.

But yea, thats just my thoughts anyway.

I am happy with all the content being frequently put out. But I would love something for my Chaos Marines at some point. Constant loyalist releases are starting to make me regret my choice in army.

As a tournament player in an area where comp is largely still in use, the current abandonment of balance is irritating, as it limits what I can and can't use and reduces the number of different armies in use.

As a casual player, it's equally irritating, because there are certain units and combos that I'm going to feel bad for showing up with in a casual game.


So in a game where, given the current release rate, variety should be increasing, the lack of balance it's must having the opposite effect.


So no, not a fan. I like big models. I have no problem with them being included in standard games. But I want rules that don't make me feel bad for choosing to use certain units.

The release rate is great for players, and is a huge improvement over what was happening in the past. I just personally think 6th is fundamentally flawed, and it seems like an arms race with every new "outside" release. Outside meaning things like escalation, knights coming in, D-weapons in main games, super heavies, etc.

I'm happy with the release rate of codices, I'm unhappy with the the trend towards even more ridiculous imbalance and turning standard 40k into mini-Apocalypse.
But most of all, I'm unhappy with my Codex seeming like they copied the previous book, took out our reserves tricks, then gave Cruddace a day to add a few things and change some stuff to try and disguise the rushed copy-paste job they did.

You know what I'd like?

I'd like to buy a codex, put together an army based on the rules in that codex, and then head out to the club and have a good game against whoever's there.

I can't really do that now. I need to make an army list based on who I expect to play and what I expect them to bring. If I bring my shooty Eldar list against the Nid guy, it's not gonna be a lot of fun for either of us. And if I bring my Blood Angels, it's gonna be just as lame if I run into the Daemons player.

I completely agree.

Also I feel like It's cool that they are coming out with more models but do they have to release 3 books to ho with it? Each one costing 50 to 75 $ or over a hundred for special edition.
I think it is a bad time to be a college student or even have a life outside of 40k.

I wouldn't say "REALLY HAPPY" but the release of knights almost put me there ,as I have wanted them ever since I started 40k (even if just for a mantel piece).
I have my complaints, I think the prices could be 30-10 bucks cheaper depending on the model but that is easily solved by shopping around or just buying second hand. I'm also not to amused bythings like riptide spam but hey, I play IG, we hold the line or die trying.

It's not exactly brilliant, but it's not "ABANDON SHIP" level of bad like some would claim. It looks like they might actually be trying to pick themselves out of a slow spiral down, and hopefully they continue the trend.

"Cloudy with a chance of sunlight" is probably the best way to describe it.