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I think Codex: Crimson Slaughter is going to be another eCodex. So far all the physical/ real codexes (which cost just as cost just as the eCodexes) have a over priced limited edition released at the same time.

Yeah I don't understand in what world a digital book costs the same as a physical book. Other than GW-Land of course

WayneTheGame wrote:
Yeah I don't understand in what world a digital book costs the same as a physical book. Other than GW-Land of course

It doesn't. It generally costs about 10USD less to get the ePub/Mobi than the physical book.

Smaug wrote:
I think Codex: Crimson Slaughter is going to be another eCodex. So far all the physical/ real codexes (which cost just as cost just as the eCodexes) have a over priced limited edition released at the same time.

The problem with this as an idea is that usually they're labeled "Digital".

I'm disappointed that they're doing Codex: Crimson Slaughter and not some war band based off one of the original legions, but maybe they don't want to step on FW's toes? I'd like to see how the Alpha Legion operates, or the Iron Warriors.

Since it's Khorne based, I'll have to pass.

 kronk wrote:
I'm disappointed that they're doing Codex: Crimson Slaughter and not some war band based off one of the original legions, but maybe they don't want to step on FW's toes? I'd like to see how the Alpha Legion operates, or the Iron Warriors.

Since it's Khorne based, I'll have to pass.

How Alpha Legion operates? Armies based on sabotage and infiltration don't work unless you want a return to Alaitoc Disruption Tables. An army doesn't become a stealth and subterfuge army just because it employs cultists and the Marines can deploy after the enemy. There's not much you can do based on 40K rules, unless you want special rules that wipe out, weaken or delay half of the enemy army before the game even starts.

Codex: Iron Warriors can literally be summarised in one paragraph, just like it was before.

 pizzaguardian wrote:
@Kroot
Maybe just maybe it is a whole new csm squad box with whole new bits, one can hope right.
Although if it might be a 5 man box of new minis.

An anonymous source on Faeit212 predicted new box art yesterday. I was referring to that rumour:

i can confirm that this weekend we will be seeing a chaos box art update and the new hellbrute kit aswell as a crimson slaughter codex release

Overall, what is 40k? Is it not a table top, board game? Risk on steroids?

Why do people have such loyalty to a chapter or legion or particular army?

It's a game, we play with toys.

If you've been pissed for years with GWs antics, stop playing, go to another website.

Maybe start your own haters_gonna_hate.com forum

Few Thoughts:

With the Horus Heresy FW books, we literally will have all the Legions and their rules (seriously, figure it out). I can't see GW publishing 30k and 40k rules for the legions. Get over it folks, we know where the legion rules are coming from, stop looking in other places and then wondering why they aren't there. Really, stop, its annoying like explaining the same thing over and over again to a 3yo is annoying.
30k = Legions, 40k = Warbands and Renegades

I'm all for this (most of my marines are red and my daemons eat Khorne flakes). If this supplement makes the CSM more competitive, then its a great idea, if not, I save $$.

That being said, GW needs better rules and codices, not more rules and codices. Sad how they never understand their own issues.

Also, clearly GDub is trying to great good buzz for the DV starter before the rumored updated starter hits late summer.

Warbands and Renegades don't necessarily mean an amalgamation force of various groups, that's what I think the issue is. There are those of us who want a "pure" warband, not this stuff like Honsou in the novels where he has a few Iron Warriors, and I think some ex-Raven Guard guy, and whatever other brutes he recruits on some backwater world and it's some frankenstein army. We want an army entirely of Night Lords, or Iron Warriors or Word Bearers and have them function somewhat different from the above-mentioned renegade warband.

I personally don't want a return to the Lost & the Damned/Slaved to Darkness stuff of having a warband with every model looking different.

 Lobukia wrote:
Few Thoughts:

With the Horus Heresy FW books, we literally will have all the Legions and their rules (seriously, figure it out). I can't see GW publishing 30k and 40k rules for the legions. Get over it folks, we know where the legion rules are coming from, stop looking in other places and then wondering why they aren't there. Really, stop, its annoying like explaining the same thing over and over again to a 3yo is annoying.
30k = Legions, 40k = Warbands and Renegades

I'm all for this (most of my marines are red and my daemons eat Khorne flakes). If this supplement makes the CSM more competitive, then its a great idea, if not, I save $$.

That being said, GW needs better rules and codices, not more rules and codices. Sad how they never understand their own issues.

Also, clearly GDub is trying to great good buzz for the DV starter before the rumored updated starter hits late summer.

Considering that Warbands can be pure khorne, pure tzeentch, and the like.


Also warbands and renegades is pretty downright WRONG.

There is TWO warband based legions that were shattered.

Emperors Children and World Eaters, and even then it's mentioned you can still find heavy groupings of warbands still at cohesive units, worshipping slaanesh and still having the Wargear. It's not exactly a decentralized force with everybody worshipping a different god.


Word Bearers have an extensive grouping and are the second largest.

Iron Warriors have a Chapter Like Structure.

Black Legion has warbands, but also a heavy cohesive unit around the top thanks to Abbadon.

Deathguard is together, but also has it's renegades (Typhus)

Thousand sons are together, except for renegades (Ahriman)

Alpha Legion might still be at full power and control.

I mean SPACE MARINES aren't exactly legions either but they still get to keep their identity. So that logic is pretty anyways. Yes there are independent structures of warbands that have left the legions on their own, but so what? It's not like we're cutting Ultramarines identity because they have a million successor chapters.

Let me expand on what I said above: I think there should be (at least) two kinds of Chaos armies: Traitor Legions and Warbands/Renegades. They should be similar, but different. When I think of the amalgamation Chaos army that has a bit of everything, I think of a Warband under some powerful chaos lord, and I think most of the newer renegades fall under this category as there tends to not be a lot of them (either the chapter was almost all wiped out before they turned, or they're just a chapter or less than a chapter).

When I think of a Traitor Legion army, let's say Night Lords, I think of almost 100% Night Lords marines and no cult troops; a unified force basically versus having a bit of various mini-bands. I'd rather have that distinction so if I play Iron Warriors, I can play an army that's different than your random warband with a bunch of different guys.

This looks like nonsense.

Therefor, I believe it.

Smaug wrote:
I think Codex: Crimson Slaughter is going to be another eCodex. So far all the physical/ real codexes (which cost just as cost just as the eCodexes) have a over priced limited edition released at the same time.

I don't think its a codex, I think its a supplement. The naming scheme lines up. Black Legion, Crimson Slaughter. If that's true it will be a digital only release for 3 months then be put into print.

It's pretty obvious Codex: Crimson Slaughter will be the same sort of digital supplement release as Codex: Black Legion. If you don't like it, don't buy it. As for Chaos bikes and Chaos Space Marines in there, maybe we're getting new kits to go along with the new Hellbrute kit? I think it's pertinent that there are pictures of said Hellbrute in this thread too, for those not in the know:

It's fairly certain that everything except the Codex and Helbrute is just re-boxed, there's no way GW would put out half a dozen new kits all at once if they have weekly releases now.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
It's fairly certain that everything except the Codex and Helbrute is just re-boxed, there's no way GW would put out half a dozen new kits all at once if they have weekly releases now.

Rebox and jack up the price abit! That always works!

Yay so the only new model is a completely useless model in-game. I expect nothing less of you GW lol

Who makes these decisions? New chosen that could be USED as CSM? OR

The big brother to the mutilator!?

 Kirasu wrote:
Yay so the only new model is a completely useless model in-game. I expect nothing less of you GW lol

Who makes these decisions? New chosen that could be USED as CSM? OR

The big brother to the mutilator!?

Or, you know, maybe GW wants to release nice new models that so far weren't available outside of the Starter Set yet.

Why? Why would that matter? Who the hell cares about a helbrute when you could release models that SELL.. Chosen aren't available outside the starter set, they could have done that instead of a helbrute.

You could use chosen as chosen, CSM or havocs.

 Kirasu wrote:
Why? Why would that matter? Who the hell cares about a helbrute when you could release models that SELL.. Chosen aren't available outside the starter set, they could have done that instead of a helbrute.

You could use chosen as chosen, CSM or havocs.

And, in the same way, you can use CSM as Chosen.

I, for one, like the looks of the model and will buy one. I don't care if it isn't übercompetetive, it looks nice.

I guess GW and people like me actually care about it

 Kirasu wrote:
Why? Why would that matter? Who the hell cares about a helbrute when you could release models that SELL.. Chosen aren't available outside the starter set, they could have done that instead of a helbrute.

You could use chosen as chosen, CSM or havocs.

Wasn't the original rumor plastic Havocs and/or Chosen and/or CSM? I think we need to wait just a bit before we jump on GW for that; I mean if all this release consists of is a $50 digital codex for a warband most people don't care about and a plastic Helbrute that nobody fields other than newbies, then we can bash GW again

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Why? Why would that matter? Who the hell cares about a helbrute when you could release models that SELL.. Chosen aren't available outside the starter set, they could have done that instead of a helbrute.

You could use chosen as chosen, CSM or havocs.

Wasn't the original rumor plastic Havocs and/or Chosen and/or CSM? I think we need to wait just a bit before we jump on GW for that; I mean if all this release consists of is a $50 digital codex for a warband most people don't care about and a plastic Helbrute that nobody fields other than newbies, then we can bash GW again

The release schedule doesn't instill me with hope on that front.

 Kirasu wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Why? Why would that matter? Who the hell cares about a helbrute when you could release models that SELL.. Chosen aren't available outside the starter set, they could have done that instead of a helbrute.

You could use chosen as chosen, CSM or havocs.

Wasn't the original rumor plastic Havocs and/or Chosen and/or CSM? I think we need to wait just a bit before we jump on GW for that; I mean if all this release consists of is a $50 digital codex for a warband most people don't care about and a plastic Helbrute that nobody fields other than newbies, then we can bash GW again

The release schedule doesn't instill me with hope on that front.

Me either, but for once I'll wait and see instead of jumping on the "What are they thinking?" front. Honestly I like the Helbrute model (it's grown on me) but selling a model that's all but useless in the actual game (due to their rules being crap) just smacks of trying to trick newbies or inexperienced people or being completely out of touch. I get that they consider themselves a miniatures company first, but even the densest person would have to realize that the game sells the miniatures, and they would sell a lot more if the minis had good rules by selling to gamers versus selling to collectors.

Jesus, no wonder their stock is falling like Jennifer Lawrence at Oscar time.

Back to painting Haqqislam!

Well, I suppose the release list tells us which kits are not getting updated any time soon. There's still hope for the rest (Havocs, Chosen, Cults, Oblits...)

 Kroothawk wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:
@Kroot
Maybe just maybe it is a whole new csm squad box with whole new bits, one can hope right.
Although if it might be a 5 man box of new minis.

An anonymous source on Faeit212 predicted new box art yesterday. I was referring to that rumour:

i can confirm that this weekend we will be seeing a chaos box art update and the new hellbrute kit aswell as a crimson slaughter codex release

Ah i was just joking around, didn't see those.

I hope they change the fluff of the Crimson Slaughter a bit. Their old fluff makes them seem not very loyal to Chaos to me (they only really care about silencing the voices), which really really clashed with the storyline for that campaign which tried to play them off as loyal to chaos by saying they were trying to win the planet for mankind's "natural masters". That summer campaign was trying to show players that the Crimson Slaughter did honestly believe in chaos, despite how their old fluff implied they didn't.

I don't think lots of people really want to play a warband that's only serving chaos because they can't deal with voices. As pointed out earlier in this thread, truly devout chaos followers would possibly rejoice at being reminded of the things they killed (which is why the fluff postulates that Khorne's "curse" might have actually meant to have been a reward). Most Chaos players I'd think would prefer playing a bunch of marines who's either serving chaos of their own free will or who's serving chaos as a tool for their own ends, as opposed to some guys who are just being blackmailed into it (technically I guess you could consider the Death Guard as being blackmailed into it but I don't think many players make their own Death Guard warband backgrounds and motivations like that). Even being tricked into serving chaos is more dignified than the reason that the Crimson Slaughter are serving it (hell, for that final battle, they weren't even serving it so much as looking for an artifact to FREE them from it. An artifcat that might have never existed in the first place... losers.)

....also, dthe Crimson Slaughter lost and got wiped out by the Dark Angels in the same battle that the campaign is about. I'm not sure why a lot of players would want to play a warband that couldn't even deal with a bunch of Dark Angels without being DESTROYED. It's not like they did anything particularly notworthy before being anhilated like a bunch of losers unlike the Von Carsteins.

......I'm hoping they retconned all that because right now the Crimson Slaughter has always come off to me (even looong before this codex was announced) as some loser filler villain that just got destroyed like many other warbands out there that were never significant to anything.

 pizzaguardian wrote:
Ah i was just joking around, didn't see those.

As a kind of punishment, Natfka posted your list, claiming an anonymous faeit212 reader as source

 Kroothawk wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:
Ah i was just joking around, didn't see those.

As a kind of punishment, Natfka posted your list, claiming an anonymous faeit212 reader as source

So now he's going to hear rumors in his head and turn to Chaos, right?

Somebody call the Dark Angels.