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Is the supplement Direct Only?

I thought the Night Lords had reunited (relatively speaking) at the end of their novel series?

World Eaters are sundered but Angron is capable of putting them back together with enough work and effort, if only temporarily. That's what he did for the first war for Armegeddon.

Sm players=" dude stop with Chaos Legions Legions are dead, you won't have any Legion/Warband rules"

CSM players=" then i think you also don't need any Chapter tactics, after all your Legions are also split up arn't they?"

Sm playrs=" but, but, Chapter tactics are parts of our Chapters an armies identity and legacy!"

CSm players=" thats how we feel about Legions/Warbands mate"

Chaos Space Marines, the only Marines variant that can't be proud of his legacy from the Legions...

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Chaos Space Marines, the only Marines variant that can't be proud of his legacy from the Legions...

Exactly.

"We want Legion rules!"
"You can't have any Legion rules!"
"Fine then. Blood Angels should be folded into the Marine 'Dex."
"HOW DARE YOU!!!"

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
What happened to their ears ?

Wut?!?

Goreshade was once PP's version of Elves

Ooh, well they are under the flowinf mane of his hair.

easier to model that way.

Really, the only Legions that are totally broken up are...

Thousand Sons - after Ahriman's Rubric, most of the Thousand Sons were turned to dust, and those that weren't were sorcerers. Ahriman himself was actually banished from the Thousand Sons, and the remaining sorcerers fractured from there.

World Eaters - simply, they are too eager to spill blood to care for affiliations. They'll fight for anyone, they'll fight anyone.

Emperor's Children - after fleeing to the Warp after the Heresy, they preyed on what slaves they could find, and then each other, and then the other legions all around them, all in the pursuit of excess. There's not much left of the Legion of Emperor's Children. They, like the World Eaters, will fight wherever they can for sensation and spoils.

The rest, to some degree or another, are still together. Yes, there have been warbands that have fractured out, but the rest have a familiar banner that they can fall under, and have some measure of significant strength and presence in the galaxy.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Sm players=" dude stop with Chaos Legions Legions are dead, you won't have any Legion/Warband rules"

CSM players=" then i think you also don't need any Chapter tactics, after all your Legions are also split up arn't they?"

Sm playrs=" but, but, Chapter tactics are parts of our Chapters an armies identity and legacy!"

CSm players=" thats how we feel about Legions/Warbands mate"

Chaos Space Marines, the only Marines variant that can't be proud of his legacy from the Legions...

Orders are still alive, can we get some Codex: Order of the Ebon Chalice, and Codex Supplement: Order of the Argent Shroud ?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Sm players=" dude stop with Chaos Legions Legions are dead, you won't have any Legion/Warband rules"

CSM players=" then i think you also don't need any Chapter tactics, after all your Legions are also split up arn't they?"

Sm playrs=" but, but, Chapter tactics are parts of our Chapters an armies identity and legacy!"

CSm players=" thats how we feel about Legions/Warbands mate"

Chaos Space Marines, the only Marines variant that can't be proud of his legacy from the Legions...

Orders are still alive, can we get some Codex: Order of the Ebon Chalice, and Codex Supplement: Order of the Argent Shroud ?

I'm down with that. Order Tactics.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Sm players=" dude stop with Chaos Legions Legions are dead, you won't have any Legion/Warband rules"

CSM players=" then i think you also don't need any Chapter tactics, after all your Legions are also split up arn't they?"

Sm playrs=" but, but, Chapter tactics are parts of our Chapters an armies identity and legacy!"

CSm players=" thats how we feel about Legions/Warbands mate"

Chaos Space Marines, the only Marines variant that can't be proud of his legacy from the Legions...

Orders are still alive, can we get some Codex: Order of the Ebon Chalice, and Codex Supplement: Order of the Argent Shroud ?

*pats on the back*

Poor, poor Sisters of Battle...

*reaches downward*

 SarisKhan wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Sm players=" dude stop with Chaos Legions Legions are dead, you won't have any Legion/Warband rules"

CSM players=" then i think you also don't need any Chapter tactics, after all your Legions are also split up arn't they?"

Sm playrs=" but, but, Chapter tactics are parts of our Chapters an armies identity and legacy!"

CSm players=" thats how we feel about Legions/Warbands mate"

Chaos Space Marines, the only Marines variant that can't be proud of his legacy from the Legions...

Orders are still alive, can we get some Codex: Order of the Ebon Chalice, and Codex Supplement: Order of the Argent Shroud ?

*pats on the back*

Poor, poor Sisters of Battle...

*reaches downward*

Shouldn't be surprised coming from a devotee of Slaanesh.

 Eldarain wrote:
Is the supplement Direct Only?

This one isn't, unlike the previous codex supplements that they've put out. Though it's probably just a one off with it supporting the new box art for most of the CSM plastics.

....well, I gotta say, with the codex and novella, GW actually managed to fix almost every issue I mentioned with the Crimson Slaughter being a generic filler villain.

Well, they're still relatively small fry if compared to Abaddon or Huron, but after seeing how they've been so ridiculously fleshed out without having to grow THAT big, perhaps that's intentional. They seem like a case study of "How to fully-flesh out your own special snowflake warband", now.

Stand alone post was locked but:

"Not sure Chicago has enough salt for this after this winter but...

"via Necronspurs2012 on Faeit 212
On tuesday night a few night lord formations were posted on the gw website along with the new guard ones but immediately were taken down."

Might as well get the CSM hopes up and heartbreak over with now."

Formations might indicate dataslate at least? Of course I place almost no likelihood in this being accurate but getting my hopes up and pretending it might be true is satisfying enough for some sort of quick sadistic type excitement fix.

On the old "legions are broken up" chestnut - let's not forget that the majority of Space Marine Legions were many, many times the size of Space Marine chapters (in fact, "Chapter" was a smaller sub-grouping of the Legions, with most having quite a few chapters within. It's completely feasable to have tons of Iron Warrior warbands of 10-100 running around while still having a unified force, of, ooh, say, 15,000 or so Legion CSM.

 Azazelx wrote:
On the old "legions are broken up" chestnut - let's not forget that the majority of Space Marine Legions were many, many times the size of Space Marine chapters (in fact, "Chapter" was a smaller sub-grouping of the Legions, with most having quite a few chapters within. It's completely feasable to have tons of Iron Warrior warbands of 10-100 running around while still having a unified force, of, ooh, say, 15,000 or so Legion CSM.

Actually Iron Warriors have made themselves a chapter grouping aside from their warband style, aside from the Word Bearers, they are the most organized of the former legions.

Their current organisation is completely non-standard. A Grand Company will often be divided into component detachments led by lesser champions. A tendency towards operating in multiples of three has been noted. While their Primarch remains in his fortress at Medrengard , the Iron Warriors are now almost exclusively led by Warsmiths who command Grand Companies. A Warsmith is a high-ranking leader within the Iron Warriors Legion with control of a Grand Company, seemingly similar to a Chapter Master with several companies lead by Chaos Champions still called Captains. The Iron Warriors are known to pursue their recruitment programs aggressively, notably capturing a sizable source of pure gene-seed from the facility on Hydra Cordatus and using it to hot-house new Iron Warriors using a chaotic techno-organic method.

If 100 Marines of the Imperial Fists chapter can get an entire supplement.. then I'm sure chaos legions could too

 Jaiste wrote:
Stand alone post was locked but:

"Not sure Chicago has enough salt for this after this winter but...

"via Necronspurs2012 on Faeit 212
On tuesday night a few night lord formations were posted on the gw website along with the new guard ones but immediately were taken down."

Might as well get the CSM hopes up and heartbreak over with now."

Formations might indicate dataslate at least? Of course I place almost no likelihood in this being accurate but getting my hopes up and pretending it might be true is satisfying enough for some sort of quick sadistic type excitement fix.

Yeah, Necronspurs is not doing so well on the tracker right now.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Orders are still alive, can we get some Codex: Order of the Ebon Chalice, and Codex Supplement: Order of the Argent Shroud ?

The Sisters of Battle are defined by their orthodoxy. Every Sister in the galaxy is trained at one of two schools, and so are a much closer knit organisation than the Space Marines or Imperial Guard. They should have one army list with everything, not half a dozen each missing bits.

The same is true of orks, but for the opposite reason - while there's a lot of variation between orks, their lack of any real chain of command except "That guy's the biggest, so he's the boss!" means that any combination of orks is valid.

So should I give up hope that chosen and havocs are not coming?

Wrecker wrote:
So should I give up hope that chosen and havocs are not coming?

You must be a renegade. We are legion and we are prepared for the long war (wait).

Aye it is true I am bout fresh blood for chaos. And I shall wait for the veteran chosen

Mayhem pack is as Nusguam says, 3 hellbrutes with IWND and Deep Strike.
They role each movement phase on the crazed table, even if not
suffered a pen/glance.

Helcult: 1 hellbrute, 2 units of cultists. The helbrute does not join
the unit, but if he is obscured by his cultist pack he gets a cover
save (3+), when passed a cultist dies. Also gains rage and a kharn-like
betrayer rule. Makes the cultists fearless as long he is alive.

Last is a formation of 5 brutes, with 1 champion. They can make Look
out sirs to him. Aslong champ is alive owning player can choose what he
wants on the crazed table whenever 1 or more in the unit have a
marker. Affects whole unit.

apparantly some people allready got to download their dataslates and thats what we get.

Still missing some clarifications, like if the dreads forms a vehicle squadron, or if like with all the formations thus far are only needed to be taken at the same time, but can act indenpendantly from each others, in what radius must the Cultists stay from the dread to benefit the rules, does the Alpha dread from the 3rd formation count as a Character?

Ok these dataslates have peaked my interest. I'll have to closely read them all before I buy any Helbrutes.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

Mayhem pack is as Nusguam says, 3 hellbrutes with IWND and Deep Strike.
They role each movement phase on the crazed table, even if not
suffered a pen/glance.

Helcult: 1 hellbrute, 2 units of cultists. The helbrute does not join
the unit, but if he is obscured by his cultist pack he gets a cover
save (3+), when passed a cultist dies. Also gains rage and a kharn-like
betrayer rule. Makes the cultists fearless as long he is alive.

Last is a formation of 5 brutes, with 1 champion. They can make Look
out sirs to him. Aslong champ is alive owning player can choose what he
wants on the crazed table whenever 1 or more in the unit have a
marker. Affects whole unit.

apparantly some people allready got to download their dataslates and thats what we get.

Still missing some clarifications, like if the dreads forms a vehicle squadron, or if like with all the formations thus far are only needed to be taken at the same time, but can act indenpendantly from each others, in what radius must the Cultists stay from the dread to benefit the rules, does the Alpha dread from the 3rd formation count as a Character?

the helfist murderpack is a squadron (confirmed in the rules) of 5 brutes, one of which is nominated to be a champion. he gets unit type vehicle(character) and a 5+ invul save. the other dreads in his unit can look out sir! for him if they're within 6". if any of the brutes in the formation get a crazed token and the champ is alive, the controlling player chooses which result he wants instead of rolling, and applies that to the entire squadron. note that the helbrute champ doesn't have the champions of chaos rule; the boon table wouldn't work with them anyway.

the helcult is one helbrute and two cultist squads, all separate units. the cultists get fearless while their brute is alive, and loose fearless when he dies but gain zealot. they don't have to stay near him, but if they provide a cover save to the brute from a firing unit, that cover save is a 3+. if this test is successful, remove the nearest cultist (to the firing model? to the brute? doesn't say, i'm assuming closest to firing unit) as a casualty with no saves allowed. the helbrute gains rage, and any 1's in CC aren't discarded but instead are treated as hits on any friendly unit within 6" of the brute whether that unit is in CC or not.

the mayhem pack is 3 separate helbrutes, each gaining IWND and deep strike. must begin game in reserves. one roll for entire formation to arrive but there is nothing that says they must be deployed together. they roll on the crazy table every one of your movement phases instead of just after they get glanced/penned.

hope that clears a few things up.

Helfist and Mayhem pack sound pretty good. Can you make the roll on the crazy table the same turn the Mayhem pack deep strikes?

crazed rolls are 'at start of movement phase'

Well... those new 'Brute kits do look pretty sweet...

Although the really detailed sculpts look great, I can't help but think they'll be harder to kit bash and customize...

So, for the unfortunate of us without Smart Phones and Tablets, can I download this thing and print it out?

Like said a millionth time in ALL the threads about digital content.

Dll Calibre software, this thing allows you to read and convert Mobi and Ebook files into PDF files.

really need to put a sticky thread about that...