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2014/03/03 10:01:35
Subject: New Chaos Space Marines Release- March 7 Update - Orders Up
CODEX: CRIMSON SLAUGHTER (ENGLISH) 1 £30,00
CHAOS SPACE MARINE SQUAD 1 £23,50
CHAOS SPACE MARINE HELBRUTE 1 £33,00
CHAOS BIKERS 1 £21,00
CHAOS SPACE MARINE ATTACK FORCE 1 £120,00
CHAOS RHINO 1 £23,50
CHAOS TERMINATOR LORD 1 £15,00
CHAOS SPACE MARINE RAPTORS 1 £21,00
CHAOS SPACE MARINE FORGEFIEND 1 £41,00
CHAOS LAND RAIDER 1 £46,00
CHAOS TERMINATORS 1 £28,00
VISIONS OF HERESY (ENGLISH) 1 £45,00
WHITE DWARF WEEKLY 7 (ENGLISH) 1 £2,40
This is what i got so take it with salt if necessary
This is the list GW has been sending out for the CSM. Obviously some are old stuff but the Attack Force and the Codex is new so that's sth.
Edit 1: Images of Hellbrutes that has been around for a while
Spoiler:
Brother SRM wrote: It's pretty obvious Codex: Crimson Slaughter will be the same sort of digital supplement release as Codex: Black Legion. If you don't like it, don't buy it. As for Chaos bikes and Chaos Space Marines in there, maybe we're getting new kits to go along with the new Hellbrute kit? I think it's pertinent that there are pictures of said Hellbrute in this thread too, for those not in the know:
Edit 2 : Contents of the Attack Force - Correct version via Kroot
pretre wrote: via a reader on Faeit 212
I managed to get a look at the new White Dwarf. The Crimson Slaughter have the usual relics, warlords traits and so on. The Force Org change is that you can take Possessed as Troops.
Edit 6 : White Dwarf page of the Attack Force
Spoiler:
Brother SRM wrote: Confirmation that there aren't new Chaos Space Marines:
- 72pp codex
- Full history of the fallen Crimson Sables transformation into the Crimson Slaughter
- Warlord Traits
- Relics
- "Echoes of War" Narrative Missions
- Planetstrike & Cities of Death Strategems
- Crimson Slaughter Army List: Possessed CSMs can be taken as TROOPS
Edit 9 : Possible Later Release- Although this really compresses releases if true.
Spoiler:
Checked with BOLS, they still claim there will be Chosen and Havocs and even something else.
The following week (March 15 pre-orders, March 22nd release) we will see the following:
- CSM Chosen plastic kit
- CSM Havocs plastic kit
If you recall a couple of months ago there was talk of a fourth CSM mini set coming to plastic alongside the other three.
The earlier chatter pointed to a Chaos Cultists kit.
The latest chatter has seen the Cultist talk die down and Oblit talk uptick a bit, but the jury is still out.[/qoute]
Edit 10 : Photos of the new releases
Spoiler:
BrassScorpion wrote: Advance Orders for Codex Crimson Slaughter, the new Helbrute, new Attack Force and related merchandise are now up on the GW website.
Prices on several existing Chaos Space Marine kits have gone up about $2 US in most cases. Example: Forgefiend up to $68 US from $66, Raptors up to $35 from $33.
The Crimson Slaughter seek to wash away their sins in a tide of blood. This collection allows you to join them now in the Long War to bring down the Imperium they once willingly served.
This collection includes: 1 copy of Crimson Slaughter: A Codex Supplement and 1 Helbrute.
The Helbrute is a plastic kit that is supplied unpainted and requires assembly - we recommend using Citadel Thin Plastic Glue and Citadel Paints.
$103.50 USD
Same price as buying separate. Why the hell haven't they figured out that even tossing a $5 discount on a bundle like this would actually move more product.
THE STORY
In the entire galaxy there is nothing more cursed than a traitor.
Excommunicated, hated and hunted, the Crimson Slaughter turned from the Emperor’s Light and have since carved a bloody trail through the Imperium. But before they betrayed their oaths and turned to the worship of the Dark Gods, they were the Crimson Sabres, stalwart and loyal. This is the story of their fall, as Scout Captain Anzo Riegler, a lone voice of reason amidst Chaos, becomes an unwitting pawn in his Chapter's demise.
Edit 13 : New transfer sheet?
Spoiler:
reds8n wrote: New/revamped ( improved ?) transfer sheet
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Grey Templar wrote: The Riptide can't be a giant death robot, its completely lacking a sword or massive chainsaw. All giant death robots have swords or massive chainsaws.
Grey Templar wrote: The Riptide can't be a giant death robot, its completely lacking a sword or massive chainsaw. All giant death robots have swords or massive chainsaws.
"Deception is the point. Any fool can calculate strength. That one has been doing it from the moment he saw us. Now, he has to calculate what he can't see. And fear what he doesn't know."
Seriously crimson slaughter... unless it's a general 'renegades' codex at its heart then I see that being badly received by the people who are crying out for legion representation.
I could see it being possibly true though, update the box art on everything to the new black and blue, and push out the new helbrute at the same time to try and revive the lines sales a little. Not exactly a mind blowing release but it's good to see even a single model second wave.
Crimson Slaughter kinda look cool but seriously? What's with their obsession with newer renegades? I'd wager most Chaos players prefer the actual traitor legions not these newer renegades.
That fluff is lame though. Keep killing things to silence the voices of everything else you've murdered.
Also love the price increases just because with no reason. Oh GW will you ever learn?
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Ok, I feel a bit dirty for siding with GW, but people seem to be writing off the book with no knowledge of it's contents, and complaining about price rises that are, for once, broadly in line with UK inflation?
C'mon people, there's plenty to complain about, let's not be undermining valid criticism and complaint with knee jerk reactions.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
WayneTheGame wrote: Crimson Slaughter kinda look cool but seriously? What's with their obsession with newer renegades? I'd wager most Chaos players prefer the actual traitor legions not these newer renegades.
That fluff is lame though. Keep killing things to silence the voices of everything else you've murdered.
Also love the price increases just because with no reason. Oh GW will you ever learn?
You never know, people may actually contact GW direct and say they like the idea of Renegades and wanted to know more about the ones featured in Dark Vengeance.
KoganStyle wrote: No, we are writing off the fluff (it isn't good enough to be called a background story/lore actually) as a terrible basis for a new codex
If you summarised the fall of any first founding legion I'd say the fluff is just as awful. These guys going insane due to voices in their heads is actually more believable than most of the "I'm angry at my dad / Jealous of my bros" crap. As far as why GW is releasing a codex for them is concerned, it's obvious. They're the guys from the starter kit and GW wanted to update the Helbrute model with weapon options anyway. All the stuff is painted red so the color scheme is ready. It's Blood Ravens v2.
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I'm reserving my judgment to actually see what it is, but if it's their typical $50 toss a bunch of crap nobody cares about, rules for optional things and two pages of an actual army I'm not going to be happy when Chaos is in such dire straits.
With any luck though at the very least it will be usable for all armies and not just CS, but given how they like supplements it'll probably only be for Crimson Slaughter and won't change anything. If that's the case, then I think it's the most damning proof that they don't care about veterans one bit, because who is more likely to have a "Crimson Slaughter" CSM army? Some kid who just bought Dark Vengeance. Who is more likely to have a Chaos army representing one of the traitor legions? Anybody else who has played Chaos at all before. Who does GW cater to? The kid, by giving them a special codex that makes them feel special.
Time will tell but honestly given GW's track record of these things, I'm not holding my breath, and I say that as a former CSM player who is/was seriously considering starting it again. The irony is that I kinda like the Crimson Slaughter color scheme, but not to that extent and prefer Iron Warriors. Plus I think it will have a stigma associated with it, being a "noob" thing, if that makes sense. Kinda like how in 2nd edition it was people playing Ultramarines 2nd Company who got labeled as a noob (although I don't recall that happening to Black Templars in 3rd edition).
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KoganStyle wrote: No, we are writing off the fluff (it isn't good enough to be called a background story/lore actually) as a terrible basis for a new codex
Who cares about the fluff in this book?
Seriously, the whole legions vs renegades thing is already laid down, if a player is so short of imagination that the only army they feel they can generate from this book is a Crimson Slaughter warband, then more fool them. Much more important is if the list gives players more opportunity to represent their vision of how they want their army to be on the table, then that's got to be more important, surely?
Given the last couple of releases (Inquisition, LotD and Knights specifically) I wouldn't have high hopes, but as there is currently zero info outside of a name price and probable release date, let's keep our powder dry.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
azreal13 wrote: Ok, I feel a bit dirty for siding with GW, but people seem to be writing off the book with no knowledge of it's contents, and complaining about price rises that are, for once, broadly in line with UK inflation?
Well, we don't know how many Chaos Marines are in the box, and for all we know they've invented a way of splitting 5 models (like the Raptors) in half and still making it so buying two boxes gets you exactly 5 models.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Huh. That's... unexpected. The codex, I mean. I'm guessing it's another allies codex, like LotD and the Inquisition. But still, odd choice for it. Maybe it ties in to those other rumours about the Dark Vengence event?
Order of the Righteous Armour - 542 points so far.
KoganStyle wrote: No, we are writing off the fluff (it isn't good enough to be called a background story/lore actually) as a terrible basis for a new codex
As opposed to the "good fluff" for the Iron Warriors(they like sieges!), World Eaters(they like to hit things with other things! also they're SUPER ANGRY!), Death Guard(they have no hygiene), etc.
Troike wrote: Huh. That's... unexpected. The codex, I mean. I'm guessing it's another allies codex, like LotD and the Inquisition. But still, odd choice for it. Maybe it ties in to those other rumours about the Dark Vengence event?
The price, and that it appears to be a physical book, suggests it isn't like Inq or LotD. Could be like Knights, with a pitiful number of units, it could be a pretty shameful cut/paste with minimal tweaks, or it could be a 6.5 dex with an increase in variety and options to allow a wider scope of army types.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Troike wrote: Huh. That's... unexpected. The codex, I mean. I'm guessing it's another allies codex, like LotD and the Inquisition. But still, odd choice for it. Maybe it ties in to those other rumours about the Dark Vengence event?
The price, and that it appears to be a physical book, suggests it isn't like Inq or LotD. Could be like Knights, with a pitiful number of units, it could be a pretty shameful cut/paste with minimal tweaks, or it could be a 6.5 dex with an increase in variety and options to allow a wider scope of army types.
It will probably be somewhat like the Black Legion codex, with some fluff content and few new units but some "unique" formations.
Well, this could be ascribed to a loss in translation, but the Black Legion book is referred to as "Black Legion: A Codex Supplement" not Codex: Black Legion, so there does seem to be a naming convention dissonance here.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Put me in camp "What's so wrong with the Crimson Slaughter fluff?"
You can hardly call the Legions much better, and that's with years and years of fluff and series of novels devoted to them.
Give Slaughter a chance.
angelofvengeance wrote: Has it occurred to anyone that maybe it might be nice to branch out from the usual Traitor Legions for a change?
Branch out from what? None of the Traitor Legions have their own rules except for one of them, and that single solitary one is the most vanilla of vanilla Chaos.
WHERE IS MY GOD BALLS DAMNED WORLD EATERS CODEX!!!!!!
You really gotta be kidding me...
Damnit Slayer! Have you not read about Codex Inquisition and Codex: Legion of the Damned? Codex Crimson Slaughter will be Codex: Chaos Marines where every units are removed save for cultists, chosens, metabrutus, and chaos lord. But, wait, you will get one new relic (but you can not use those from the main codex) and a new warlord traits table ! Do you really still want some World Eater codex now ?
WayneTheGame wrote: That fluff is lame though. Keep killing things to silence the voices of everything else you've murdered.
Yeah. Real faithful would just look for a way to kill those filthy traitors and heretics again, and rejoice at having a reminder of how good a job they did .
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Nightlord1987 wrote: My guess will be that everyone must take the Mark of Khorne. No Berzerkers. A daemon weapon sword for Kranon. Fear as a warlord trait.
That kinda sounds cool BFTBG
Okay so... I re-read the Crimson Slaughter fluff. It kinda grew on me (maybe it's the voices in my head ) but it's not that bad. I do kinda like how the Helbrute is Kranon's brother and he threw him in prison for not siding with the "Hey let's kill all the things to stop the voices!" mantra, and then when he went insane from it himself he got thrown into the Helbrute and he's even crazier now.
Still a bit skeptical because I never liked these other minor renegades, I liked the idea of it being mostly traitors and then like Red Corsairs that were where all the other "Hey the Imperium sucks!" guys went to, while now there's a bunch of other renegades (although I admit that does make sense that more would fall). Crimson Slaughter isn't that bad, but honestly I'd rather have some distinction between "Traitor Legion" as in the originals and "Renegade Chapters" which are the newer. Like maybe give Traitor Legions access to some of the 30k stuff like Jetbikes and those Mars weapons (retcon the fluff as it was explained as those broke down or whatever and they couldn't repair them), give Renegade Chapters minor access to things like Razorbacks or Speeders or the like, anything to make them different while still being "Chaos".
Tacticool always trumps tactics
Legion: Dark Angels 
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