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Red Corsair wrote: Saw a box of CSM at the FLGS and it was just the old kit in the new style box...
Pics or it didn't happen. Seriously, folks. In this day and age...
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Still might be chosen... *He says fully expecting to be disappointed*
BlaxicanX wrote: A young business man named Tom Kirby, who was a pupil of mine until he turned greedy, helped the capitalists hunt down and destroy the wargamers. He betrayed and murdered Games Workshop.
I know they are hated, but i think that the csm kit is pretty nice, and they are way more important thing to do than replace it. Especially if the rumored chosen box has some extra parts wich can be used on them to give them a more demonic look.
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pretre wrote: via a reader on Faeit 212
I managed to get a look at the new White Dwarf. The Crimson Slaughter have the usual relics, warlords traits and so on. The Force Org change is that you can take Possessed as Troops.
Worst force org change ever?
How on earth are you arriving at that? I'm not saying that possessed are a great choice but making something a troops choice gives players who have those figures or want to use those units more variety and utility. If you've got a possessed themed army, why wouldn't you want to have them be scoring troops?
I actually may be interested in picking up the attack force.
Looks like it is a pretty good buy. If it's between $165 and $175, that saves you quite a bit. Retail for all that is $248.25, so you save between $63.25 or $73.25. Tack on a FLGS or third party discount, and you've saved quite a bit.
godswildcard wrote: I actually may be interested in picking up the attack force.
Looks like it is a pretty good buy. If it's between $165 and $175, that saves you quite a bit. Retail for all that is $248.25, so you save between $63.25 or $73.25. Tack on a FLGS or third party discount, and you've saved quite a bit.
But I've been wrong before!
Unless it was changed I think it was listed at like $200, which for me is weird because the SM Strikeforce is a bit more than that and is an actual full army; the Attack Force only has one Troops choice (barring splitting them into two 5x squads)
Automatically Appended Next Post: Current rumor now is that it is officially a Supplement, and not a Codex. Crimson Slaughter: A Codex Chaos Space Marines Supplement
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Great news for me, im almost done with a unit of ten posessed in a kitbashed evil landraider.
The unit started as a fluffy joke for some wordbearer allies of mine. But as troops they will be awesome. And they are my favourite models for the csm range.
Also, confirmed pictures of the Attack Force have been spotted. Still kind of disappointed there's only one CSM squad in it, when it'll run almost as much as the SM Strikeforce.
Supposed Cover (from Fibonacci on B&C):
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Cool cover. Even the CSM codex cover was cool looking despite being reused art. I'm not a fan of the full color and hardback codex switch but the covers have been top notch compared with the soft cover versions.
Unless it was changed I think it was listed at like $200, which for me is weird because the SM Strikeforce is a bit more than that and is an actual full army; the Attack Force only has one Troops choice (barring splitting them into two 5x squads)
Automatically Appended Next Post: Current rumor now is that it is officially a Supplement, and not a Codex. Crimson Slaughter: A Codex Chaos Space Marines Supplement
That's disappointing, but I guess it would still be worth it. A 20% discount prices it at $160, saving you $88 off retail.
warboss wrote: How on earth are you arriving at that? I'm not saying that possessed are a great choice but making something a troops choice gives players who have those figures or want to use those units more variety and utility. If you've got a possessed themed army, why wouldn't you want to have them be scoring troops?
It was a joke, but... Possessed are still pretty horrible.
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Well from what the book looks to contain, it's a typical supplement. "Echoes of War" missions, Cities of Death and Planetstrike strategies, probably a page of wargear and what's different, and nothing else.
If they do change the codex to a supplement, that will actually leave me less annoyed. Not UNannoyed, but still.
Where are those rumoured Daemons AND Marine supplements for each God? Mention Emperor's Children in the Slaanesh one of those and then do Supplements for the undivided Legions and I would praise GW every day.
Yet another Chaos release that I will ignore. Was a huge fan of all things Chaos until the last uninspiring and bland dex [which succeeded an uninspiring and bland dex] and even less inspiring new models. Ignoring established legions/warbands to focus on one that has terrible fluff and nothing to distinguish it from the crowd [obviously just my own opinion] will do nothing to tempt me to take my Emperor's Children off their shelf or give over my money to GW. Shame.
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Not only that but like the other supplements its 72 pages, one of which is "rules", one of which is relics and the rest is fluff or missions for narrative battles featuring them and things for their other supplements. So you're paying $50 for basically 2 pages, maybe 10 max if you actually use the other stuff, and the rest fluff and pictures.
Just as usual then, only this time the fluff is about somebody nobody cares about...
"Deception is the point. Any fool can calculate strength. That one has been doing it from the moment he saw us. Now, he has to calculate what he can't see. And fear what he doesn't know."
- 72pp codex
- Full history of the fallen Crimson Sables transformation into the Crimson Slaughter
- Warlord Traits
- Relics
- "Echoes of War" Narrative Missions
- Planetstrike & Cities of Death Strategems
- Crimson Slaughter Army List: Possessed CSMs can be taken as TROOPS
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Excessus wrote: Just as usual then, only this time the fluff is about somebody nobody cares about...
Pretty much. Very disappointed I was hoping for something to make Chaos good. I was excited about it, but I'm not paying $50 (technically $100 for C:CSM too) for pages of fluff, missions that nobody uses to refight battles nobody cares about, and one page of rules that lets me use a bad unit as Troops instead of Elites.
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Well, other than the supposed lack of other changes, I could see the change of possessed to troops being possibly used for a non-1KS Tzeentch list. Though that depends on you not being forced to take a different mark to unlock this change. It'd also depend on using Dreadclaws / Kharybdis Assault Claws to get them to where they're needed.
It'd not be a massively impressive list, but it'd be an alternative to just 1KS for Tzeentch CSM.
Either way, the completionist in me will want a copy of this book, even if it's not something I end up using.
pretre wrote: - 72pp codex
- Full history of the fallen Crimson Sables transformation into the Crimson Slaughter
- Warlord Traits
- Relics
- "Echoes of War" Narrative Missions
- Planetstrike & Cities of Death Strategems
- Crimson Slaughter Army List: Possessed CSMs can be taken as TROOPS
And that requires a full-price hardback release that could have better served putting out a single "Legions of Chaos" book with new rules for the major Legions/Warbands, including any required FOC changes, Warlord Traits and unique Wargear.
Excessus wrote: Just as usual then, only this time the fluff is about somebody nobody cares about...
Pretty much. Very disappointed I was hoping for something to make Chaos good. I was excited about it, but I'm not paying $50 (technically $100 for C:CSM too) for pages of fluff, missions that nobody uses to refight battles nobody cares about, and one page of rules that lets me use a bad unit as Troops instead of Elites.
GW sure knows how to please the crowd. First black legion, now CS and posessed, and also a brand new helbrute. Who needs super heavy knights!
Excessus wrote: Just as usual then, only this time the fluff is about somebody nobody cares about...
Pretty much. Very disappointed I was hoping for something to make Chaos good. I was excited about it, but I'm not paying $50 (technically $100 for C:CSM too) for pages of fluff, missions that nobody uses to refight battles nobody cares about, and one page of rules that lets me use a bad unit as Troops instead of Elites.
GW sure knows how to please the crowd. First black legion, now CS and posessed, and also a brand new helbrute. Who needs super heavy knights!
It really feels like they're just giving anyone who doesn't buy into their "forge the narrative" line and actually wants good rules the finger.
pretre wrote: - 72pp codex - Full history of the fallen Crimson Sables transformation into the Crimson Slaughter - Warlord Traits - Relics - "Echoes of War" Narrative Missions - Planetstrike & Cities of Death Strategems - Crimson Slaughter Army List: Possessed CSMs can be taken as TROOPS
And that requires a full-price hardback release that could have better served putting out a single "Legions of Chaos" book with new rules for the major Legions/Warbands, including any required FOC changes, Warlord Traits and unique Wargear.
What a wasted opportunity.
If you think that GW would put out a single book with multiple legions after putting out 60+ page books for 1 unit, you haven't been paying much attention to their recent publishing habits. You might as well as them to put 2 landraiders back in a single box for $30 (US or AUD.. your choice since it's about as equally likely). At *best*, you might get a single page of rules lifted from the 3.5 codex in each book.
I do agree with your last sentance though but as an accurate description of 6th edition in general.
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warboss wrote: If you think that GW would put out a single book with multiple legions after putting out 60+ page books for 1 unit, you haven't been paying much attention to their recent publishing habits. You might as well as them to put 2 landraiders back in a single box for $30 (US or AUD.. your choice since it's about as equally likely). At *best*, you might get a single page of rules lifted from the 3.5 codex in each book.
Keep in mind that as much rage as there is for the supplements, dataslates and knight codexes, GW is still updating core armies at a rate of 3.5 per year (ignoring Knights, LotD, AS and Inq).
The fastest they ever updated codexes in previous editions was 4th edition where they updated 10 codexes in 4 years (2.5 per year) and that was at the expense of any supplements, expansions. In 6th, they have done 7 codexes (main codexes, mind you) in 2 years and continued to put out optional material at a rate not seen since 3rd edition.
The 'math':
Spoiler:
3rd Edition - 6 Years (1998-2004) (~2 codex per year) 13 Codexes: SM, DE, Necrons, CSM, DA, Orks, Eldar, IG, Tyranids, Tau, DH, WH, CSM3.5 7 Supplements: Assassins, Catachans, SW, Craftworld, EOT, Arma, BA 1 Expansions: Cityfight 25 'Data slates': 11 different army lists and 14 different optional units/rules.
4th Edition - 4 Years (2004-2008) (~2.5 codex per year) 10 Codexes: SM, Tyranids, BT, Tau, Eldar, DA, BA, CSM, CD, Orks 1 Supplements: Catachans Supplements: Cities of Death
5th Edition - 4 Years (2008-2012) (~2 codex per year) 9 Codexes - SM, Tyranids, SOB, IG, SW, BA, DE, GK, Nec 5 Expansions: Death Worlds, Spearhead, Battle Missions, Planetary Empries, Planetstrike
6th Edition - (2012-Present) (~3.5 codex per year, 5.5 per year if you count the mini-digi codexes) 7 Codexes: CSM, DA, CD, Tau, Eldar, SM, Tyr 4 questionable (mini/digi) codexes: AS, Inq, LotD, IK 5 Supplements: Raukaan, SoT, BL, Farsight, Iyanden 6 Expansions: Kill Team, Escalation, SHA, Death Worlds, DFTS, CoF 10 Dataslates - Tyr I, Tyr II, Tyr War Vet, Cypher, Reclusiam, Centurion, Eldar GW, Adeptus Astartes SW, Tau FB, Be'Lakor
6th edition has released almost twice many codexes as any previous edition in the normal time. Even if you exclude Inq, AS, Lotd and IK, they have released 7 codexes in 2 years which is more than any other edition.
Long story short, even with the book for one unit of Knights, that doesn't mean they won't put out more substantial books.
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The helbrute price wouldn't be too bad *if* it is a completely poseable kit and not just the helbrute from DV repackaged.
It's really obviously a wholly new kit with multiple options. I've posted multiple pictures in this thread showing that.
None of which I can actually see thanks to the way things are set up on my side of the firewall.
But it is good to know that it will be a fully realized kit. Curious to see one now.
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CSM 6k points CSM 4k points
CSM 4.5k points CSM 3.5k points
and Daemons 4k points each
Renegades 4k points
SM 4k points
SM 2.5k Points
3K 2.3k
EW, MW and LW British in Flames of War
CSM 6k points 
CSM 4k points
CSM 4.5k points 
CSM 3.5k points
Renegades 4k points
SM 4k points
SM 2.5k Points
3K 
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