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 Platuan4th wrote:

 Excessus wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Shredsmore wrote:
That part on the White Dwarf cover with "making mutated Chaos Space Marines" makes me excited.

Buy our new Chaos Mutants, just $80 for 5 monopose snap-fit figures.

Or: Buy a CSM box, buy some spawns, add glue, done!

Most likely: Buy CSM box and mutation sprue.

As if they'd ever bring that mutation sprue back...

 bubber wrote:
Just saw this on the BL website:
'Make sure you check out our website this weekend, we have another exciting new title on the way.'



(http://www.blacklibrary.com/new-at-bl/Codex-Imperial-Knights.html)

Great the next big thing for Bkack Library, novellas too long a read for your attention span, well great news! We've reduced them even further to just being a title! Its the future of writing!

 Excessus wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Excessus wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Shredsmore wrote:
That part on the White Dwarf cover with "making mutated Chaos Space Marines" makes me excited.

Buy our new Chaos Mutants, just $80 for 5 monopose snap-fit figures.

Or: Buy a CSM box, buy some spawns, add glue, done!

Most likely: Buy CSM box and mutation sprue.

As if they'd ever bring that mutation sprue back...

You mean the one that's still on the GW site?

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440213a&prodId=prod1290060

 Platuan4th wrote:

You mean the one that's still on the GW site?

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440213a&prodId=prod1290060

Ah, nvm me then, I'm talking crazytalk it seems...

Seems to me that Crimson slaughter is mostly khorne related, but i bet you that they changed that part for it to be a multi-god codex.
Individual legions would limit the amount of different models a collector would need and therefore they aren't doing it. Why do you think the cult troops have suffered
such neglect? Most of the legions would have limited options or would need entire kits of their own, and that is simply too massive a project and would be too difficult to market.

 tarnish wrote:
Seems to me that Crimson slaughter is mostly khorne related, but i bet you that they changed that part for it to be a multi-god codex.
Individual legions would limit the amount of different models a collector would need and therefore they aren't doing it. Why do you think the cult troops have suffered
such neglect? Most of the legions would have limited options or would need entire kits of their own, and that is simply too massive a project and would be too difficult to market.

Don't see that myself.

The mainstay of any Legion list, gameplay and fluff wise, will be regular Traitor Marines, which already have a kit that you'd simply paint appropriately.

To represent the various Legions, you simply introduce a chapter tactics mechanic, and, where appropriate, allow force org mods for certain cult troops, all of which are represented in model form, in some cases both from FW and GW, already.

One could perhaps think about a plastic cult box for those currently in resin (3) but I don't see how this is too difficult to market or a massive project?

 tarnish wrote:
Seems to me that Crimson slaughter is mostly khorne related, but i bet you that they changed that part for it to be a multi-god codex.
Individual legions would limit the amount of different models a collector would need and therefore they aren't doing it. Why do you think the cult troops have suffered
such neglect? Most of the legions would have limited options or would need entire kits of their own, and that is simply too massive a project and would be too difficult to market.

They are Undivided; Khorne is just the one who cursed them with the ghosts/voices that drove them to Chaos in the first place, but they don't serve him.

I honestly can't think of any of the existing chaos legions i'd less like to see expanded than those crimson slaughter guys.

The old cult legions have more flavour fluffwise for the demonlovers out there and Night Lords and Alphas make for fare more interesting non-decominc traitor marines.

Current rumor from Faeit212 is that they get to take Possessed as Troops, and that it's still basically a codex supplement (but possibly renamed to make it seem more "legit").

WayneTheGame wrote:
Current rumor from Faeit212 is that they get to take Possessed as Troops, and that it's still basically a codex supplement (but possibly renamed to make it seem more "legit").

That would be cool, not spend money to download cool. but still a neat idea

hmmm... I'm kinda hoping more for an improvement on USABLE units.... I'm actually looking forward to this release to help fan out my Non-Nurgle units and taking them out of the dresser...

The only Chaos models I don't own are Possessed!

Give me a reason to field Raptors and Terminators!

 kronk wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I cry in my beer that this wasn't a Red Corsairs supplement. Huron's fall from grace was kick ass and covered well in IA:9 and 10 by FW.

Well then, would we really even need a Red Corsairs supplement if Forgeworld already has them covered so well with the Badab War? Any supplement (at least to the standard of supplements done so far) pales in comparison to the Forgeworld books. That's not a knock on current supplements, that's just high praise for Forgeworld.

Honestly if that's the only change they make then it's proof that GW is clueless. I could maybe forgive making a Crimson Slaughter codex instead of one for the legions or the cults or anything else, but having the only change be the ability to take a useless choice as Troops? It shows they have zero idea of the problems with the meta, or worse they just don't give a damn at all and really think that their customers are stupid enough to buy whatever slop they throw out, instead of cleaning the fething wax from their ears and listening to what people are asking for.

If these things are rules that somebody came up with that sounded cool, they should be offered for free so it's not a big deal to try it out in most cases. But charging for what's basically a change nobody wants or cares about and that doesn't actually help fix any issues with an army? They really are taking the mickey here.

EDIT: According to one of the comments on Faeit212, their possessed are new/better with a different chart to roll on.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 kronk wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I cry in my beer that this wasn't a Red Corsairs supplement. Huron's fall from grace was kick ass and covered well in IA:9 and 10 by FW.

Well then, would we really even need a Red Corsairs supplement if Forgeworld already has them covered so well with the Badab War? Any supplement (at least to the standard of supplements done so far) pales in comparison to the Forgeworld books. That's not a knock on current supplements, that's just high praise for Forgeworld.

The FW books are pre-chaos/renegade. I'd like to see them covered after they turn to chaos/renegades, like their brief coverage in Aaron Dembski-Bowden's Night Lords trilogy. They are WAY different from their portrayal in IA:9-10 by that point.

in this weeks white dwarf only hellbrute and attack force are mentioned as new models, the codex is also a supplement

pwnsummer wrote:
in this weeks white dwarf only hellbrute and attack force are mentioned as new models, the codex is also a supplement

It's a supplement but a physical book? If so I wonder if calling it a "codex" is to force acceptance, since supplements tend to be barred from tournaments and the like?

yea it coems in 3 types normal, limited edtion and digital

Guess it would be crazy to hope for an improvement on Cultists (possessed cultists?) or Helbrutes (possessed helbrutes?) right?

*Glimmer of hope*

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Guess it would be crazy to hope for an improvement on Cultists (possessed cultists?) or Helbrutes (possessed helbrutes?) right?

*Glimmer of hope*

Given the track record, I'm just hoping it's not like 20 pages of fluff, a timeline of what they've done since being founded, a couple of pictures, the usual Planetstrike/Cityfight crap nobody cares about, a page of rules of which the only change is Possessed as troops, and then 5 pages of models.

via a reader on Faeit 212
I managed to get a look at the new White Dwarf. The Crimson Slaughter have the usual relics, warlords traits and so on. The Force Org change is that you can take Possessed as Troops.

Worst force org change ever?

Count me as one more in the "Alright, they are actively teasing us at this point" camp. It's not like they only have 2-3 Legion books to release and thus have to pace themselves ultra-carefully.

Let's be practical. You have 8 Chaos legions to have supplements about; then probably one more for Red Corsairs and even one more for Renegades. You could release a much-craved supplement every 4 months and you likely would still not be done by the time 8th edition is due.

I fully believe that it's just going to be Possessed as troops and a new warlord table and relic list. "Well, last time we did Chosen, so now let me look at the site...people love Possessed, right? Sure they do. So they are troops now."

Back to painting ALEPH.

Supposedly these possessed have a new chart to roll on that's "better".

WayneTheGame wrote:
Supposedly these possessed have a new chart to roll on that's "better".

Nope. If it was a new chart to choose from, maybe.

seems like they could have sold more books if they wouldve made this supplement for just about any other chaos legion/warband. and placing one of the least popular chaos units into the spotlight (possessed) feels suspiciously like manipulating game balance to sell kits. or at least trying to nudge newer players in that direction.

I think that the next Tyranid dataslate should make Pyrovores troops. That would be excellent.

Actually, possessed aren't that bad, but they compete with Chosen and Terminators in the Elites slot, and can't score like their cult brethren. They have alot of advantages, like built in Strength 5, Fearless, Fleet and 5++ save.

Taking them as troops also means you don't have to take a Marked lord to unlock Cult troops, so you are free to experiment with the other HQ options, like running double sorcerers or something.

Not saying it will magically make everyone super happy, but they aren't terrible and it represents at least a slight eyebrow raising new army list twist.

sand.zzz wrote:
seems like they could have sold more books if they wouldve made this supplement for just about any other chaos legion/warband. and placing one of the least popular chaos units into the spotlight (possessed) feels suspiciously like manipulating game balance to sell kits. or at least trying to nudge newer players in that direction.

Fool's Gold choices to sell inferior kits to newbies who don't know any better sounds like it would be right up GW's "churn and burn" sales strategy...

...since when the gak do Crimson Slaughter rely on Possessed?* I didn't read the novella but I don't recall possessed or even daemons ever coming up at all in their known fluff or that GW-run campaign.



*answer: Since this codex, apparently.

TiamatRoar wrote:
...since when the gak do Crimson Slaughter rely on Possessed?* I didn't read the novella but I don't recall possessed or even daemons ever coming up at all in their known fluff or that GW-run campaign.



*answer: Since this codex, apparently.

Yep I was thinking the same thing. Having just read the novella there's no mention of possession at all, and no mention of daemons other than the one that the Hellfire Stone presumably summoned, and even that was just "It summons a daemon." and nothing more.

Of course, they could have retconned it. People already think they're a Khorne warband.

Actually I seem to recall one sentence that MIGHT indicate possession: When Kranon first shows up (at least I'm pretty sure its Kranon as he's the only one with a blue cloak), the mouth in his armor is the one talking but that doesn't get mentioned ever again and later on he actually talks normally, usually in a cartoon villain-like monologue with the voices in his head, telling it to not call him Sevastus.

Saw a box of CSM at the FLGS and it was just the old kit in the new style box...