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Maybe the new Crimson Slaughter codex allows you to take Hellbrutes as troops (or scoring).

<---wishlisting.

 kronk wrote:
As I've said, I think Crimson Slaughter was a silly choice when they could have done Alpha Legion or Thousand Sons.

Hence you are not in any way one of those I spoke about in my message. I have edited it to be clearer. I am certainly not suggesting every loyalist player is a bad person, just that (as among about any large enough group) some are.


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WayneTheGame wrote:
Personally I think they should just include all the SM chapter stuff in a single book, not multiples.

You are not alone. It is an age-old debate. It has been argued to death, but we may give it another go if you want. But doing so in another topic would be good .

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 kronk wrote:
As I've said, I think Crimson Slaughter was a silly choice when they could have done Alpha Legion or Thousand Sons.

Hence you are not in any way one of those I spoke about in my message. I have edited it to be clearer. I am certainly not suggesting every loyalist player is a bad person, just that (as among about any large enough group) some are.


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WayneTheGame wrote:
Personally I think they should just include all the SM chapter stuff in a single book, not multiples.

You are not alone. It is an age-old debate. It has been argued to death, but we may give it another go if you want. But doing so in another topic would be good .

Nah, I've played this game long enough to know that would never happen in a million years

 Skriker wrote:

The helbrute price wouldn't be too bad *if* it is a completely poseable kit and not just the helbrute from DV repackaged.

It's really obviously a wholly new kit with multiple options. I've posted multiple pictures in this thread showing that.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Skriker wrote:

The helbrute price wouldn't be too bad *if* it is a completely poseable kit and not just the helbrute from DV repackaged.

It's really obviously a wholly new kit with multiple options. I've posted multiple pictures in this thread showing that.

Now, now! Don't let a daft things like logic and facts get in the way of the GW hate.

 Medium of Death wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Skriker wrote:

The helbrute price wouldn't be too bad *if* it is a completely poseable kit and not just the helbrute from DV repackaged.

It's really obviously a wholly new kit with multiple options. I've posted multiple pictures in this thread showing that.

Now, now! Don't let a daft things like logic and facts get in the way of the GW hate.

There's enough hate even with it being a new kit... like unless they change the rules it'll still be garbage and nobody other than newbies will field one.

Well then, I'm using 3 in my army then!

Just saw this on the BL website:
'Make sure you check out our website this weekend, we have another exciting new title on the way.'



(http://www.blacklibrary.com/new-at-bl/Codex-Imperial-Knights.html)

WayneTheGame wrote:

There's enough hate even with it being a new kit... like unless they change the rules it'll still be garbage and nobody other than newbies will field one.

Or people who like the model will use it. I use a Forgeworld Chaos Dreadnought all the time because I like the model. I've been playing this game for 7 years.

 kronk wrote:
Well then, I'm using 3 in my army then!

Fethin' newb.

I bet you're a filthy casual, too.

(DCGM4life!)

 bubber wrote:
Just saw this on the BL website:
'Make sure you check out our website this weekend, we have another exciting new title on the way.'



(http://www.blacklibrary.com/new-at-bl/Codex-Imperial-Knights.html)

They have the novella "Crimson Dawn" available for preorder, which tells of the fall of the Crimson Sabres into the Crimson Slaughter.

Or that could be the cover of the Codex O_O

Looking at the new book semi-objectively (rather than someone who wants a 1KS / Tzeentch book) I can think of a few reasons why we're seeing this book rather than a legion / god specific book.

1) We've heard before that the supplements are driven more by someone wanting to work on it rather than a set release schedule. So if one of the people behind the CS fluff wanted to take that forwards then it's plausible that they've had it finished and ready to release for a while and were just waiting for a slot.

2) To tie in with the above, some sources have suggested that as we see more supplements released the changes they make to the base codex are likely to increase in complexity. So the BL codex didn't really change much where as this one could have the rumoured veteran skills, which would be a larger change.

3) If a legion / god specific book was put out then I'd imagine that the community would be much more vocal in their displeasure that it wasn't their chosen faction being represented. This would lead to more demand for the remaining factions to be done. Whereas a more generic book that doesn't really cater to most people's desires will cause initial outrage, but it means that they're not in the position of having to follow it up with X more books to cover the remaining factions.

Of course, those points are going on the assumption that it is a supplement that's being released rather than a stand alone codex. The issue with this is that the new book is listed in the releases as a codex rather than a supplement and it's also not a direct only release.

Now,GW could have changed the way they handle the release information they send out to stockists but I'd have expected to see that with the Sentinels of Terra book that's just been released in print rather than with some unknown and unexpected. Now, the counter argument here is that this is aimed at newer players who've based their force around the current starter set.

What this new book could be is something of a hybrid between a full codex and a supplement to an existing codex. A way to represent the newer marines that have turned to chaos, sort of Codex: Chaos Renegades, leaving C:CSM as Codex: Chaos Legions. If this is the case I'd expect to see fewer of the more chaos choices (drake, mutliators, etc) and a limited smattering of 'newer' marine items (whirlwind, razorback, maybe a LR Variant), Now, we all know that C:CSM can't have nice things, so the new codex won't be battle brothers with wither C:CSM or C:CD, likely they'll be allies of convenience for C:CSM and desperate allies with C:CD. This is to represent the fact that they've only recently fallen and may not have fully embraced the remnants of the legions.

I am guessing the Chaos Marine squad will simply be a repackaging of the current box set? Let the ninja price increases begin!

Nocturnus wrote:
I am guessing the Chaos Marine squad will simply be a repackaging of the current box set? Let the ninja price increases begin!

Already done, by like 50p or 1 pound

A buck more? That's not bad considering GW.


"They increase prices because they love me."

3) If a legion / god specific book was put out then I'd imagine that the community would be much more vocal in their displeasure that it wasn't their chosen faction being represented. This would lead to more demand for the remaining factions to be done. Whereas a more generic book that doesn't really cater to most people's desires will cause initial outrage, but it means that they're not in the position of having to follow it up with X more books to cover the remaining factions.

Considering Black Legion is released, that cats out of the bag.

Not to mention this will cause a MUCH more vocal issue, considering that this is something pretty much NONE wanted at all.

Especially if it turns out its needed to fix up Codex Helldrake.

The more I think about it, the more I cry in my beer that this wasn't a Red Corsairs supplement. Huron's fall from grace was kick ass and covered well in IA:9 and 10 by FW.

 kronk wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I cry in my beer that this wasn't a Red Corsairs supplement. Huron's fall from grace was kick ass and covered well in IA:9 and 10 by FW.

I wonder if that might be why. Red Corsairs have always to my knowledge been the "new" Chaos Renegades, as a comparison to the Traitor Legions, since 2nd edition at least (no idea about the RT days but I recall the Badab War being part of the fluff even then). Maybe this is GW's attempt to create the same kind of thing for the Crimson Slaughter as known antagonists when they want Chaos but not the old Legions?

I thought the 'Sprues and Glue' headline for that WD was pretty amusing.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

3) If a legion / god specific book was put out then I'd imagine that the community would be much more vocal in their displeasure that it wasn't their chosen faction being represented. This would lead to more demand for the remaining factions to be done. Whereas a more generic book that doesn't really cater to most people's desires will cause initial outrage, but it means that they're not in the position of having to follow it up with X more books to cover the remaining factions.

Considering Black Legion is released, that cats out of the bag.

Not to mention this will cause a MUCH more vocal issue, considering that this is something pretty much NONE wanted at all.

Especially if it turns out its needed to fix up Codex Helldrake.

Well, Black Legion are probably the most 'vanilla' of the CSM Legions so relatively safe to put a book out for. Where as the remaining are more specialised, one way or another. It's more GWs way of saying "Look, CSM players, we made you a codex supplement. Now hush whilst we spend time working on 'proper' space marines." To flip it around, in a setting where CSM were the main faction and SM were the remnants of some long forgotten split, they'd have done an Ultramarines supplement first. Both factions have their fans and fluff, but they're not very diversified from the unbranded version of the parent codex.

 Medium of Death wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Skriker wrote:

The helbrute price wouldn't be too bad *if* it is a completely poseable kit and not just the helbrute from DV repackaged.

It's really obviously a wholly new kit with multiple options. I've posted multiple pictures in this thread showing that.

Now, now! Don't let a daft things like logic and facts get in the way of the GW hate.

Where was the GW hate in Skriker's post?

 pretre wrote:
I thought the 'Sprues and Glue' headline for that WD was pretty amusing.

Yes. Maybe a article that's actually creative, rather than "Mix Citadel Kit #A with Citadel Kit #B".

prankster wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

3) If a legion / god specific book was put out then I'd imagine that the community would be much more vocal in their displeasure that it wasn't their chosen faction being represented. This would lead to more demand for the remaining factions to be done. Whereas a more generic book that doesn't really cater to most people's desires will cause initial outrage, but it means that they're not in the position of having to follow it up with X more books to cover the remaining factions.

Considering Black Legion is released, that cats out of the bag.

Not to mention this will cause a MUCH more vocal issue, considering that this is something pretty much NONE wanted at all.

Especially if it turns out its needed to fix up Codex Helldrake.

Well, Black Legion are probably the most 'vanilla' of the CSM Legions so relatively safe to put a book out for. Where as the remaining are more specialised, one way or another. It's more GWs way of saying "Look, CSM players, we made you a codex supplement. Now hush whilst we spend time working on 'proper' space marines." To flip it around, in a setting where CSM were the main faction and SM were the remnants of some long forgotten split, they'd have done an Ultramarines supplement first. Both factions have their fans and fluff, but they're not very diversified from the unbranded version of the parent codex.

Is that no different than how Iyanden is basically just wraithguard, knights, lords, etc though?

The Black Legion supplement actually was a needed addition to the codex...fluffwise. It told the story about the legion nobody really had any information about, and there are a lot of cool stuff in there!

whembly wrote:Maybe the new Crimson Slaughter codex allows you to take Hellbrutes as troops (or scoring).

No, that's the Codex hellbrute the week after that

pretre wrote:I thought the 'Sprues and Glue' headline for that WD was pretty amusing.

Sadly, it is a regular feature of the WD, showing you how to glue a miniature.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Skriker wrote:

The helbrute price wouldn't be too bad *if* it is a completely poseable kit and not just the helbrute from DV repackaged.

It's really obviously a wholly new kit with multiple options. I've posted multiple pictures in this thread showing that.

Now, now! Don't let a daft things like logic and facts get in the way of the GW hate.

Where was the GW hate in Skriker's post?

Hate is probably the wrong word. Certainly it appears the comment is born out of expecting GW to have done the minimum required.

 Kroothawk wrote:

whembly wrote:Maybe the new Crimson Slaughter codex allows you to take Hellbrutes as troops (or scoring).

No, that's the Codex hellbrute the week after that

pretre wrote:I thought the 'Sprues and Glue' headline for that WD was pretty amusing.

Sadly, it is a regular feature of the WD, showing you how to glue a miniature.

wat

Seriously, is that really what it has? I'd hope it would be something about converting?

That part on the White Dwarf cover with "making mutated Chaos Space Marines" makes me excited.

 Shredsmore wrote:
That part on the White Dwarf cover with "making mutated Chaos Space Marines" makes me excited.

Buy our new Chaos Mutants, just $80 for 5 monopose snap-fit figures.

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Shredsmore wrote:
That part on the White Dwarf cover with "making mutated Chaos Space Marines" makes me excited.

Buy our new Chaos Mutants, just $80 for 5 monopose snap-fit figures.

Or: Buy a CSM box, buy some spawns, add glue, done!

 Excessus wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Shredsmore wrote:
That part on the White Dwarf cover with "making mutated Chaos Space Marines" makes me excited.

Buy our new Chaos Mutants, just $80 for 5 monopose snap-fit figures.

Or: Buy a CSM box, buy some spawns, add glue, done!

Most likely: Buy CSM box and mutation sprue.