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I take it these are just regular possessed like the CSM codex? No options to give them bolters, bolt pistols or any other ranged weapon?

A nice concept nonetheless but it would have been good if we'd had that for variety.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 pretre wrote:
How does it make me look dishonest?

Because you’re making false equivalencies. 3rd Ed and 6th Ed are most alike in that we have a mess of rules from multiple sources, but to categorise the various sources of rules from 3rd Ed (and 4th and 5th) using the modern 6th Ed parlance seems like nothing more than attempt to justify GW’s new methodology.

It's not. It's an attempt to quantify an equivalent level of 'effort' and 'actual gaming use' put into the rules.

Releasing a thin little book that says “Look in Codex Space Marines” for the rules for Tactical Squads is quite removed from a massive hard-back book that says “Possessed are Troops now”. They’re putting out physical and digital Codices for single units now, and that never happened in 3rd Ed. Closest we ever got to this in 3rd was the Assassins Codex, which had 4 units in it. 3rd Ed was a complete mess by the end due to all the various rules from various sources, but it’s not the same as 6th Ed.

But the level of effort involved in 'look in C:SM' and 'Possessed are troops now' is largely the same and they serve largely the same function. They are supplements to the main codex.

Trying to paint me as some evil white knight mastermind because I'm comparing supplements to the mini-dexes is a little crazy.

As to the rest of what you said about productivity, I actually agree. GW has never been so active in their release schedule, and there doesn’t appear to be any downtime (even less now with the shift to weekly releases). It’s just a shame that they’re not putting their productivity to good use with things we actually want, like a Legion book, rather than things no one cares about, like Marine Chapter #47345 turning to Chaos.

Except there's nothing saying we won't get a legion book as that is largely a 'main codex' kind of thing and not a supplement kind of thing. Unless you're looking for 'World Eaters Supplement', Khorne Berzerkers are troops, altar of war, relics and a warlord chart.

I'd debate that as well. The studio's time couldn't have been better used making a Legions of Chaos book that all Chaos players would flock to buy, even if it included a few "buy all our play-sets and toys!" cynical nonsense like letting Iron Warriors take Squadrons of Helbrutes as Troops to drum up sales of the new kit? Nope. Rando Traitor Marines get a whole book to themselves. That's a better use of time and resources.

Sure, it could have, but we're still receiving more full codexes than we were at any time in GW's history. So all of this extra stuff, whether you like it or think it was a waste of time, is just icing on the cake and doesn't detract from the release schedule.

If they didn't publish a single dataslate, supplement, digidex since 6th ed launched, we would still be commenting on how many full codex releases we get and how much more material we're getting. But instead, because we're getting all the extra stuff, you're complaining that we're not getting even more full codex releases? Should they only focus on full codex releases now? You think people are mad now, imagine if they up their current 3-4 full codexes per year to 6-8 full codexes.


edit: to be clear, I'm not saying that a Crimson slaughter supplement is better than a Legions book. I'm saying that the Crimson Slaughter supplement is just a little thing they can produce while they're working on everything else. They're pumping these out because they can do it without slackening the pace of real releases. People are just incorrectly comparing them (supplements, digidexes, etc) to real releases (i.e. full codexes). They aren't the same and have (provably) not reduced the pace of real releases. In fact, real releases have gotten faster now that they have moved to this model.

I seriously thought this was a joke when I first read it. possessed as troops ? You couldn't write a better joke.

 Theduke07 wrote:
I seriously thought this was a joke when I first read it. possessed as troops ? You couldn't write a better joke.

We already wrote several better ones. Pyrovores and heldrakes.

 kronk wrote:
We wanted Heldrake Troops!

It's brilliant! Then GW builds a model of a heldrake resting on the ground and bam it's scoring on objectives! (it's in hover mode actually)

 pretre wrote:

 Theduke07 wrote:
I seriously thought this was a joke when I first read it. possessed as troops ? You couldn't write a better joke.

We already wrote several better ones. Pyrovores and heldrakes.

Heldrakes are at least useful.

Honestly, I was looking forward to this. I was even going to read as much fluff as I could on the Crimson Slaughter in preparation. Instead... why bother? They aren't fixing anything. They aren't addressing any concern. The game is the same garbage it was before, only now you get to spend more money on worse troop choices and an extra $50 that says you can use them, when it should be a booklet about the size of WDW and cost about as much too.

 StarTrotter wrote:

 kronk wrote:
We wanted Heldrake Troops!

It's brilliant! Then GW builds a model of a heldrake resting on the ground and bam it's scoring on objectives! (it's in hover mode actually)

But... does it come with a nest like a real chicken?

Was at a GW today. They kinda nudged that a Chosen kit was coming. Not the coming release, but the one after that. So I'm happy.

Possessed doesn't even make any sense from a narrative perspective. Although it does admittingly make me curious about potential fluff in the codex that explains why a warband that had practically nothing to do with daemons whatsoever in any of its appearances has possessed as a troop choice.

TiamatRoar wrote:
Possessed doesn't even make any sense from a narrative perspective. Although it does admittingly make me curious about potential fluff in the codex that explains why a warband that had practically nothing to do with daemons whatsoever in any of its appearances has possessed as a troop choice.

At the rate they're going maybe they got retconned into a Khorne faction, or a splinter group of Word Bearers, or who knows.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I take it these are just regular possessed like the CSM codex? No options to give them bolters, bolt pistols or any other ranged weapon?

A nice concept nonetheless but it would have been good if we'd had that for variety.

That would actully might make them worth takeing as troops in all honesty.

=/

 pretre wrote:

Chad Warden wrote:

3rd Edition - 6 Years (1998-2004) (2 codex per year)
12 Codexes: SM, DE, BA, CSM, DA, Orks, Eldar, IG, Tyranids, Tau, DH, WH
6 Supplements: Assassins, Catachans, SW, Craftworld, EOT, Arma,
1 Expansions: Cityfight
25 'Data slates': 11 different army lists and 14 different optional units/rules.

You forgot Necrons and Chaos 3.5
BA were a minidex

Updated!

Got another couple for you Petre, both Codex: Dark Angels and Codex: Dark Eldar received second editions with some minor errata added in. Can't remember what Dark Angels got, the second edition for Dark Eldar had the Wych Cult rules.

GW is trying to differentiate their FW 30k line from the 40k one. I think that's why they shy away from legion stuff in 40k and push the warband aspect while FW is churning out lots of stuff for the legions.

orkybenji wrote:
GW is trying to differentiate their FW 30k line from the 40k one. I think that's why they shy away from legion stuff in 40k and push the warband aspect while FW is churning out lots of stuff for the legions.

Space Marine Chapter Tactics.

That Is All.

orkybenji wrote:
GW is trying to differentiate their FW 30k line from the 40k one. I think that's why they shy away from legion stuff in 40k and push the warband aspect while FW is churning out lots of stuff for the legions.

Which would be fine if they were interchangeable. However they are not (at least to my understanding?) so the 30k stuff are actual Legiones Astartes that fight with all the ferocity of their Primarchs, while 40k are Traitor Legions, that don't behave like legions but a bunch of fractured bands.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:

Was at a GW today. They kinda nudged that a Chosen kit was coming. Not the coming release, but the one after that. So I'm happy.

The people who work at GW stores know as much as we do.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:

Was at a GW today. They kinda nudged that a Chosen kit was coming. Not the coming release, but the one after that. So I'm happy.

The people who work at GW stores know as much as we do.

They know a bit more, as most stores get their shipments anywhere from Tuesday to Thursday of the new stuff.

They just won't confirm any of it.

And why do the loyalist legions get tactics?

And we often get pictures before they get shipments. So they know next to nothing.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Has it occurred to anyone that maybe it might be nice to branch out from the usual Traitor Legions for a change?

They already did that. And people have been complaining about it since the 4th edition Chaos codex, which focused on renegaeds rather than the original legions, was released.

WHat is weird is that GW seem to think that they can only do one or the other... they can't present rules for both the original legions and newer renegades.




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prankster wrote:
3) If a legion / god specific book was put out then I'd imagine that the community would be much more vocal in their displeasure that it wasn't their chosen faction being represented. This would lead to more demand for the remaining factions to be done.

Yes, imagine if your customers wanted something enough that they kept asking for it.

If only there were some way for companies to communicate with their customers in order to determine just what they are asking for. But alas, communication between business and customer is impossible, and so GW are forced to just release stuff at random in the hope that something they release will be what people want...

 insaniak wrote:
WHat is weird is that GW seem to think that they can only do one or the other... they can't present rules for both the original legions and newer renegades.

Yet at the same time they seem perfectly capable of doing a Marine Codex that covers several founding and successor Chapters and even rolls the BT's into the book (for good or for ill).

Someone has probably already pointed this out, but the plaguemarine in the lower right of the White dwarf looks like he has some new bits. Specifically the face mask and helm.

 sennacherib wrote:
Someone has probably already pointed this out, but the plaguemarine in the lower right of the White dwarf looks like he has some new bits. Specifically the face mask and helm.

Yes, that was already pointed out. It's an old model.

 sennacherib wrote:
Someone has probably already pointed this out, but the plaguemarine in the lower right of the White dwarf looks like he has some new bits. Specifically the face mask and helm.

It's from the good old nurgle havocs set, nothing new, only oop...

Nurgle havok set. sounds like something they should still be making instead of some …. CRIMSON SLAUGTER nonsense. GW reminds me of Ford motor Company before the government here took them over. The top execs were so out of touch with the public and the company, that they didn't have any idea how much money their company had lost or needed. The government fired them and FORD started to do pretty well again. Wish we could fire the dill hole who was in charge of GW executive decisions.

And then did the Crimson Slaughter enter the Eye
In fear of the Inquisition at their heels.
‘No!’ said the horned red one. ‘None shall enter unto my halls!’
‘Please, oh mighty Khorne!’ said the former Chapter master.
‘We run not from our enemies but to your embrace.’
‘Then a toll is asked, before you can pass.’
‘Name it, oh murderous one.’
‘Your Thunder Hammers. Your Storm Shields. Your Cyclones.’
‘These are the cowards weapons, and none that walk my path will have them’
‘It is done, my lord Khorne’
And Khorne was satisfied.

But again the Crimson Slaughter were barred.
‘No!’ said the giant green one. ‘None shall enter unto my halls!’
‘Please, oh mighty Nurgle!’ said the former Chapter master.
‘We run not from our enemies but to your embrace.’
‘Then a toll is asked, before you can pass.’
‘Name it, oh gluttonous one.’
‘Your Attack Bikes. Your Land Raider Variants.’
‘These are weakling weapons, and none that walk my path will have them’
‘It is done, my lord Nurgle’
And Nurgle was satisfied.

But again the Crimson Slaughter were once again barred.
‘No!’ said the lithe purple one. ‘None shall enter unto my halls!’
‘Please, oh mighty Slaanesh!’ said the former Chapter master.
‘We run not from our enemies but to your embrace.’
‘Then a toll is asked, before you can pass.’
‘Name it, oh lascivious one.’
‘Your Razorbacks. Your Thunderfire Cannons. You Whirlwinds.’
‘These are pathetic weapons, and none that walk my path will have them’
‘It is done, my lord Slaanesh’
And Slaanesh was satisfied.

But the Crimson Slaughter were barred for a final time.
‘No!’ said the winged blue one. ‘None shall enter unto my halls!’
‘Please, oh mighty Tzeentch!’ said the former Chapter master.
‘We run not from our enemies but to your embrace.’
‘Then a toll is asked, before you can pass.’
‘Name it, oh wise one.’
‘You Storm Ravens. Your Storm Talons. Your Land Speeders.’
‘Only that which has wings may soar, and fly along my path’
‘It is done, my lord Tzeentch’
And Tzeentch was satisfied.

With heavy heart the Crimson Slaughter left their weapons of war behind.
Yet unto the Crimson Slaughter did the Warp deliver a bounty.
Daemon Engines, in seemingly unlimited quantities.
And Possessed Marines in abundance… for some reason…
Their Terminators smiled at their new Reaper Autocannons
And their Havocs did cavort with their new Autocannons.
They were real Traitor Marines at last.

– Excerpt from ‘Sable & Slaughter’, by Arch-Heretic Jervisius Johnsonius

I don't see the connection between OOP model and new supplement, but uh.. you keep on keepin' on there.

Nicely done. Although they gave up their razorbacks twice...

Yes that was meant to say Land Speeders.

*furiously edits*

So looking at the attack force, is that even a legal army? I only see one troops choice....

WayneTheGame wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
Possessed doesn't even make any sense from a narrative perspective. Although it does admittingly make me curious about potential fluff in the codex that explains why a warband that had practically nothing to do with daemons whatsoever in any of its appearances has possessed as a troop choice.

At the rate they're going maybe they got retconned into a Khorne faction, or a splinter group of Word Bearers, or who knows.

Why would they be associated with Khorne? The biggest users of possessed have always been Chaos Undivided, AKA Word Bearers.