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My GF and I love bouncing fan fics off eachother. We recently came up with a thought.

In the novels Harlequins devined that Gabriel Angelos will save the Eldar Race. Also there seems to be chemestry between him and the Farseer Macha. We wondered what would happen if she some how conceived his child in some form of miracle? What would this do to both the Imperium and the Eldar? Just a dumb thought!

Well, a human and elder couldn't breed (and yes, there was Illyan Nastase but Games Workshop have rightly abandoned that tiny nugget of background long ago) but, you do say a miracle and, if we put any stock in Xenology then the 'pregnancy' might not have been achieved except after several, a-hem, visits, shall we say.

If a Space Marine impregnated an alien and that child lived, that would almost certainly change the Imperium in no way what-so-ever. The child, if it's existence ever came to be known at all, would be rightly viewed as an abomination and a blasphemy since the human form is sacred and should not be polluted in any way. Afterall, if stable human mutants and human derived species are viewed with outright hate and are barely tolerated and often killed in pogroms then imagine the vitriol directed at any alien hybrid (genestealers present enough of a menace as it is).

I can't see the Eldar being too happy either. It is very difficult for the Eldar to conceive and they view most races other than their own as little more than clever monkeys. Would you be impressed if a woman got in the family way by a chimpanzee? I think not and the Eldar would likely view the child with the utmost disgust not to mention an insult and travesty since it could be argued that a pure Eldar birth has been denied by this 'miracle'.

all i can say is that the baby the marine and the eldar would be shot.

i would love to see it go the other way though, a communion between the two races. they are not entirely against working together in most cases, they are both 100% dedicated to taking down Chaos and i reckon that if there wasnt so many other pesky races they would be fighting chaose near enough side by side. the eldar speak gothic which makes it easier as well. the only thing standing in the way is the imperial xenophobia and the eldars superiority complex.

No matter what way you look at it the baby would be bloody ugly

This sounds like some of the most atrocious fanfic out of the dark corners of 1D4chan that we do not speak of here, or anywhere else.

NO!

NO!

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

*Rant over*

In real 40k universe, I'm pretty sure that space marines don't enjoy anything like that, and Eldar don't reproduce in that way anyway.

 welshhoppo wrote:
NO!

NO!

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

*Rant over*

In real 40k universe, I'm pretty sure that space marines don't enjoy anything like that, and Eldar don't reproduce in that way anyway.

What? It's pretty obvious that Eldar reproduce similar to humans. Just that the father needs to constantly add genetic material as Eldar are apparently incredibly complex on a genetic level.

The Eldar would be scorned and hated by her own people for mating with vile animals and the human would be executed for heresy. That is all.
As to the matter of whether Eldar reproduce in a similar way to humans, I don't think that has ever been expanded upon by GW and we should leave such speculation to /tg/ and 1d4chan.

The only thing that might make it worse is if the half-breed sparkled in sunlight

Such happy clappy romantic notions are not really meant for the grimdarkness of 40k.

Not to mention the rather more practical issue that Soace Marines do not have the physical ability to reproduce.

 curran12 wrote:
Not to mention the rather more practical issue that Soace Marines do not have the physical ability to reproduce.

As if that will stop 4chan.

There were eldar-human half breeds back in the day, and it honestly wouldn't surprise me if they could after all nothing genetic is impossible by the eldar (especially in commoraugh) the real problem is the way both of the parents civilizations would react. In the imperium I have no doubt the child would be shot immediately, and in Eldar society I don't know if they would kill it, but even if it lived the child would never be accepted. It would probably be outcast and if it survived end up in the dark city where I imagine it would die in some grotesque way. For specific romances though like Gabriel and Macha, Biel-Tan would probably be appalled by the notion of half breeds on their craftworld. In a place like iyanden however I could honestly see the eldar letting the kid live, though I doubt anyone but the parents would ever be kind to it unless accompanied by a prophecy stating the kid is gonna become a great hero of the eldar race. Personally, I love the idea of the eldar and the Imperium becoming allies and focusing on the more important threats ahead of them like chaos tyranids Necrons etc. Though I don't think it'll ever happen.

You need to stop reading C.S Goto novels.

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
You need to stop reading C.S Goto novels.

I have a jug of cold water if you need it. >>

How would such a union affect the Imperium/Eldar? Well, in a shellnut..

Imperium: *Blam*

Eldar: You did WHAT?! You sick, perverted woman!

You have to understand that a little thing like a hybrid wouldn't do much to change the Imperium's ingrained anti-xeno attitude. It's like saying a race of happy, viable human mutants would change the anti-mutant attitude. It's just too deep in the Imperial psyche.

Omicron-Fenrir wrote:
My GF and I love bouncing fan fics off eachother. We recently came up with a thought.

Your girlfriend sounds awesome


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 curran12 wrote:
Not to mention the rather more practical issue that Soace Marines do not have the physical ability to reproduce.

Read the Space Wolf Codex. Specifically Lukas the Trickster's entry. They beg to differ.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
How would such a union affect the Imperium/Eldar? Well, in a shellnut..

Imperium: *Blam*

Eldar: You did WHAT?! You sick, perverted woman!

You have to understand that a little thing like a hybrid wouldn't do much to change the Imperium's ingrained anti-xeno attitude. It's like saying a race of happy, viable human mutants would change the anti-mutant attitude. It's just too deep in the Imperial psyche.

That's assuming that an Eldar woman's hips are even wide enough to handle giving birth to a half-human (let alone half-astartes) without tearing or breaking something... although I guess Eldar have high enough tech to do a caesarian.

 bocatt wrote:

Omicron-Fenrir wrote:
My GF and I love bouncing fan fics off eachother. We recently came up with a thought.

Your girlfriend sounds awesome


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 curran12 wrote:
Not to mention the rather more practical issue that Soace Marines do not have the physical ability to reproduce.

Read the Space Wolf Codex. Specifically Lukas the Trickster's entry. They beg to differ.

PLEASE PLEASE point out the page number that says he fathers some children. Because I've read it and I can't see anything other than vague 'womanizing'. But if you'd like to prove me wrong, by all means.

Even if an Astartes and a normal Human reproduced you would still only get a normal human child. The implantation of gene seed only enhances what is already there, it doesn't create a new species. So you wouldn't get a half Eldar half Astartes child.


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 curran12 wrote:
Not to mention the rather more practical issue that Soace Marines do not have the physical ability to reproduce.

Does gene seed render the Astartes genetically and medically sterile?

bocatt wrote:Read the Space Wolf Codex. Specifically Lukas the Trickster's entry. They beg to differ.

He does have a point. I am not particularly well versed with half the space marine chapters/legions, and the whole interconnected and confusing time line yet, but even I know that bit of fluff. It speaks in pretty clear and uncertain terms. It's one of those things that makes me think that most space marines just take a vow of celibacy.

Furyou Miko wrote:That's assuming that an Eldar woman's hips are even wide enough to handle giving birth to a half-human (let alone half-astartes) without tearing or breaking something... although I guess Eldar have high enough tech to do a caesarian.

On a more genetic note, I really don't think there is much problem Miko. Afterall, on a genetic level, there is no difference between a regular human and an Astartes. It's only on a chemical level that the implants actually work. If anything, to be perfectly frank, and I really am trying to not be offensive in any light about this; due to the chemical treatment involved to activate the extra organs, there is probably a decent chance that any resulting fetus would simply wind up with a destroyed genetic code that would simply abort itself. That being said, with a stipulation on success, provided the marine provides the required amount of genetic material to allow for a successful hybrid conception, there is the also good chance that the baby born will just be a normal human (grimdark version is that you wind up with some serious birth defects), as the Astartes organs would not add to his genetic code.

Mellow wrote:
Even if an Astartes and a normal Human reproduced you would still only get a normal human child. The implantation of gene seed only enhances what is already there, it doesn't create a new species. So you wouldn't get a half Eldar half Astartes child.


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 curran12 wrote:
Not to mention the rather more practical issue that Soace Marines do not have the physical ability to reproduce.

Does gene seed render the Astartes genetically and medically sterile?

The whole process of turning a human into a space marine renders a person sterile on a mechanical level. The process enhances everything associated for making a fighter, and the tool ain't one of those things. Not to mention the chemical level of change. And not to mention the complete psycho-indoctrination for most Marines that hammer out any desire like that.

We don't know, it doesn't say.

However, there is genetic variance between humans and Astartes. The Astartes are modified on a genetic level in several ways - for example, by the Occu-thingie that genetically modifies their eyes so that they don't reject the ocular implants.

Due to things like this, I'd say that the odds of a human/Astartes child being viable are very low - you're looking at Downs syndrome type side effects of the mating.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
However, there is genetic variance between humans and Astartes. The Astartes are modified on a genetic level in several ways - for example, by the Occu-thingie that genetically modifies their eyes so that they don't reject the ocular implants.

Actually, to use that example...

Occulobe

Phase 10: This implant sits at the base of the brain, and provides hormonal and genetic stimuli which enable a Marine's eyes to respond to optic-therapy. This in turn allows the Apothecaries to make adjustments to the growth patterns of the eye and the light-receptive retinal cells - the result being that Space Marines have far superior vision to normal humans, and can see in low-light conditions almost as well as in daylight.

While it is an implant, the genetic manipulation is purely mechanical, relying on chemical stimuli to change it. It's not a true genetic change, It's merely reactive, rather than proactive. Basically, it's like readjusting and focusing a camera lense. Whle they have to use genes to modify and cause permanent change in order to keep up the effect, it shouldn't have any impact on others due to the lack of the Occulobe in regular human beings and all stimuli occurs on the implant, rather than on the marine itself.

Such an action would probably get Angelos, Macha, their child, and the remaining Blood Ravens purged in an Inquisitorial crusade of righteous indignation and contempt for one who, having just recently escaped being put to death as a servant of the Arch-Enemy, then went and got his rocks off with a Xeno.

Too corrupt to live, and far too twisted to be remembered. This would be the Inquisition and the Ecclesiarchy wiping out the Blood Ravens and every mention of them anywhere ever.

 curran12 wrote:

Mellow wrote:
Even if an Astartes and a normal Human reproduced you would still only get a normal human child. The implantation of gene seed only enhances what is already there, it doesn't create a new species. So you wouldn't get a half Eldar half Astartes child.


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 curran12 wrote:
Not to mention the rather more practical issue that Soace Marines do not have the physical ability to reproduce.

Does gene seed render the Astartes genetically and medically sterile?

The whole process of turning a human into a space marine renders a person sterile on a mechanical level. The process enhances everything associated for making a fighter, and the tool ain't one of those things. Not to mention the chemical level of change. And not to mention the complete psycho-indoctrination for most Marines that hammer out any desire like that.

There has never been any fluff stating that, and the SW codex and Salamanders fluff clearly proves contrary, but please let us not turn this in yet another thread about SM genitals.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 curran12 wrote:

Mellow wrote:
Even if an Astartes and a normal Human reproduced you would still only get a normal human child. The implantation of gene seed only enhances what is already there, it doesn't create a new species. So you wouldn't get a half Eldar half Astartes child.


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 curran12 wrote:
Not to mention the rather more practical issue that Soace Marines do not have the physical ability to reproduce.

Does gene seed render the Astartes genetically and medically sterile?

The whole process of turning a human into a space marine renders a person sterile on a mechanical level. The process enhances everything associated for making a fighter, and the tool ain't one of those things. Not to mention the chemical level of change. And not to mention the complete psycho-indoctrination for most Marines that hammer out any desire like that.

There has never been any fluff stating that, and the SW codex and Salamanders fluff clearly proves contrary, but please let us not turn this in yet another thread about SM genitals.

Where does it prove that Marines can have children? Give me a page number. I got both of em right the hell here.

Most of the legends/reports of Space Wolf womanizing seems to suggest that such things took place prior to them becoming Space Wolves.

There are quite a few half-eldar and half-humans, however they mostly reside in Commoragh with the dark eldar.

Space marines are generally known to be unable to produce children because most have their reproductive organs (i.e. testes) removed during the implantation process to make room for the extra organs being placed and to make them more docile.

This is not nessecarily true to all chapters however, and some marines that have fallen to chaos have indeed been known to do the nasty.


The primarchs themselves had their junk so im not sure if they could reproduce or not, but they seem to have abstained from such.

I never intended this to become something from 4 chan O.o I didnt mean to open a can of worms.

But my GF read about Angelos and Macha and said theres something between them. The thought of a Miraculus conception of Angelos's kid could be what the Harlequins proficised in one of the books to save the Eldar Race

Eihnlazer wrote:
The primarchs themselves had their junk so im not sure if they could reproduce or not, but they seem to have abstained from such.

Oh, that begs for a 40k version of National Treasure 1.

Leman Russ walks up to the Imperial palace with a petite form cloaked protectively at his side. The Emperor answers the door. "Hey dad, can we come in?"
The Emperor looks to the petite form and knocks the hood back, revealing a beautiful, if scared, young woman. "Where's the party?"
Russ coughs. "Well, I'm in a bit of trouble.."
The Emperor glares at him sternly. "She pregnant?"
Russ pales. "Well if she is, are you going to leave the woman carrying your grandchild standing out in the cold?"
The Emperor slams the door in their faces and walks away, muttering, "I should have just bit the bullet and gone for girls."

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:

Eihnlazer wrote:
The primarchs themselves had their junk so im not sure if they could reproduce or not, but they seem to have abstained from such.

Oh, that begs for a 40k version of National Treasure 1.

Leman Russ walks up to the Imperial palace with a petite form cloaked protectively at his side. The Emperor answers the door. "Hey dad, can we come in?"
The Emperor looks to the petite form and knocks the hood back, revealing a beautiful, if scared, young woman. "Where's the party?"
Russ coughs. "Well, I'm in a bit of trouble.."
The Emperor glares at him sternly. "She pregnant?"
Russ pales. "Well if she is, are you going to leave the woman carrying your grandchild standing out in the cold?"
The Emperor slams the door in their faces and walks away, muttering, "I should have just bit the bullet and gone for girls."

Somehow, it's all so precious...