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 Psienesis wrote:
He's not the god of Patriarchalism, or even of Family. His portfolio continues to be, and has always been, Plague, Pestilence, Disease, Decay and Entropy.

If Nurgle, who is literally an emotion manifested, is emotionally patriarchal, then that can only mean it's because he's the god of patriarchism. Otherwise, he would not be able to be patriarchal, because then he'd be exhibiting an emotion which he is clearly not. A "not a god of patriarchsim" god exhibiting a patriarchal emotion would be the equivalent of Khorne being lusty or Tzeentch being sad

There's nothing supporting that belief.

As an aside, Nurgle is capable of gifting one with reproductive powers, too (well, "life producing").

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gifts_of_Nurgle#Gifts_of_Nurgle

Nurgling Infestation - consists of a small group of Nurglings which follows the champion, feasting on the flakes of dead and diseased skin which continuously fall from them. They are also useful in close combat.[1] These Nurglings are born from seeping pustules that grow in the gifted's body.[8]


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 Psienesis wrote:
There's nothing supporting that belief.

It's simple logic. We know that the chaos gods are emotions manifest. Therefore, whatever emotions they exhibit are what they ARE. It's in their definition, for crying out loud. Khorne is the god of hate, so he hates. Tzeentch is the god of plots, so he plots. Nurgle is the god of fatherly love, so he fatherly loves. This isn't rocket science.

None of this is remotely the same as fertillity. Being infected with HIV or ebola, or any disease, all produces 'life' in a body but it in one would be described as increasing a person's fertility. And as it's been stated a ton of times, none of the Chaos powers create life, Daemons and daemonic plagues are essences of the gods themselves, not biological life. Nowhere has it ever been stated that Nurgle is a god of fertility or reproduction. He is the god of death and decay. Just look at his followers! Who would want babies with them??

 KorPhaeron77 wrote:
None of this is remotely the same as fertillity. Being infected with HIV or ebola, or any disease, all produces 'life' in a body but it in one would be described as increasing a person's fertility. And as it's been stated a ton of times, none of the Chaos powers create life, Daemons and daemonic plagues are essences of the gods themselves, not biological life. Nowhere has it ever been stated that Nurgle is a god of fertility or reproduction. He is the god of death and decay. Just look at his followers! Who would want babies with them??

The problem with your statement is you're drawing a distinction between different kinds of life. Grandfather Nurgle loves ALL life, so for him, producing life in a body is fertility, regardless of what life comes out of it. This matter of perspective might explain why he's never been directly referred to as a god of fertility, but from his perspective it's all the same thing. Again, that he is "in love" with Isha is no coincidence. A difference between the two is that Isha actually differentiates between Eldar life and other life, which could partially be explained by how she's an Eldar goddess (as opposed to Nurgle, who's not biased when it comes to life forms). Hence she's directly referred to as a goddess of fertility for the Eldar. In truth, both are about life producing and the emotion of culturing life as a part of their portfolios. Isha (again, perhaps due to being an Eldar goddess instead of all-encompassing) merely distinguishes between life whereas Nurgle does not.

And again, I re-quote because no one seems to have read it the first time I quoted it.

"Even the process of creation is but the precursor to destruction and decay. The bastion of today is tomorrow's ruin, the maiden of the morning is the crone of the night, and the hope of a moment is but the foundation of regret. Though he is the creator of every infection and epidemic to have ever swept the universe, Nurgle is not a morose purveyor of despair and gloom, but a vibrant god of life and laughter. In death, there is life. Upon the decay of the living untold numbers of bacteria, viruses, insects and other carrion-feeders thrive. All life feeds upon other life to exist, and from every plague grows new generations, stronger and more virile than those who came before. Regeneration comes from decay, just as hope springs from despair. The greatest inspiration comes in the darkest moments; in times of crisis mortals are truly tested and driven to excel. "

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The powers of Chaos fries your balls man.

TiamatRoar wrote:

Here's something quoted from the wiki, which I believe is taken from Realms of Chaos, although admittingly I'm not completely sure. Emphasis added by me.

"Even the process of creation is but the precursor to destruction and decay. The bastion of today is tomorrow's ruin, the maiden of the morning is the crone of the night, and the hope of a moment is but the foundation of regret. Though he is the creator of every infection and epidemic to have ever swept the universe, Nurgle is not a morose purveyor of despair and gloom, but a vibrant god of life and laughter. In death, there is life. Upon the decay of the living untold numbers of bacteria, viruses, insects and other carrion-feeders thrive. All life feeds upon other life to exist, and from every plague grows new generations, stronger and more virile than those who came before. Regeneration comes from decay, just as hope springs from despair. The greatest inspiration comes in the darkest moments; in times of crisis mortals are truly tested and driven to excel. "

Codex: Chaos Daemons page 14. Some sentences were also in Realm of Chaos - The Lost and the Damned. Page 12. Most stuff about chaos is copy-pasted over and over.

More from RoC: "What is the response of living men to the undeniable and inevitable futility of life? Is it to lie down and accept death and the coming to naught of their every endeavour? No it is not! Faced with the inevitability of death what answer can there be but to run through life at a great and unstoppable pace, cramming each day with hope, laughter, noise and bustle. Thus, happiness and human endeavour are sired by a coming to terms with decay and futility. This realization is the key to understanding the Great Lord of Decay (...). On the one hand he is the Lord of Decay, whose body is wracked with disease; on the other he is full of unexpected energy and a desire to organise and enlighten"
That last sentence made it into the last Codex (from 1990... that´s 24 years and counting)

About the Nergal - Nurgle thing:
Nergal was a good of war and pestilence. Not sure if there is any relation except the name and the pestilence thing.
Nurgle is called Nyrgal in Lyber Chaotica. Also Onogal and Nielglen (?).

 Furyou Miko wrote:
They did. Plus, Enkidu was gay, which is kind of awesome.

Truly it is.
By the way, I would like to recommend a book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilgamesh_the_King
It is a novelization of the Epic of Gilgamesh by a really good Sci-fi writer of the golden age.

 KorPhaeron77 wrote:
Nowhere has it ever been stated that Nurgle is a god of fertility or reproduction. He is the god of death and decay.

He (it?) has a dual nature: death and decay... but also joy, life and regeneration. Sure it is not exactly described as a good of fertility / reproduction, but the word "life" appears over and over when he is around.

"Faced with the inevitability of death what answer can there be but to run through life at a great and unstoppable pace, cramming each day with hope, laughter, noise and bustle."

To me this implies party. Also, in times of suffering, death and fear, birth rates soar. People want to enjoy life before it ends. The realization of mortality has this effect on human nature, and this emotional reaction is what fuels Nurgle.

Nurgle may be emotion made manifest, but he's also a warp storm. Like many pantheistic deities, he's multi-natured.

Notice how the description uses capitalized words when they speak of him as the Lord of Decay and all that, but then use the lower-case "god of life and laughter"? Because that latter expression is simply an adjective describing Nurgle, not a job title.

 Psienesis wrote:
Notice how the description uses capitalized words when they speak of him as the Lord of Decay and all that, but then use the lower-case "god of life and laughter"? Because that latter expression is simply an adjective describing Nurgle, not a job title.

"Job title" is an entirely arbitrary thing in the first place. There is no such thing as an "official" job title for the gods, but merely instead what mortals decided to call them. What matters isn't the various titles that others have prescribed to him (although again, one of his titles IS "Grandfather Nurgle", anyways, and another is "Lord of All"), but that Nurgle is the embodiment of the emotion of culturing life (or rather, that's one of the aspects of him) which is made very clear by his description of a god of life and creation (see, I don't have to capitalize it either), as well as the nature and emotion of his daemons, actions, and even landscapes (Garden of Nurgle).

Khorne is the Blood God, the God of Slaughter, Violence and Bloodshed. He's also a pretty angry dude.

He is not the God of Angry Dudes.

 Psienesis wrote:
Khorne is the Blood God, the God of Slaughter, Violence and Bloodshed. He's also a pretty angry dude.

He is not the God of Angry Dudes.

Er, yes he is. Not sure where you're getting that he isn't.

Oh, you capitalized it? That's just semantic nonsense. Descriptive wise, he is DEFINATELY "the god of angry dudes".

...that said, Khorne has so many different names throughout the galaxy that I wouldn't be surprised if some culture out there gave him a very similar name to "God of Angry Dudes".

No, no he isn't. Angry Dudes is not what Khorne is a god of. You can be plenty angry and not commit bloodshed. You can be super-pissed and instead seek to change things (thus being Tzeentchian).

 Psienesis wrote:
No, no he isn't. Angry Dudes is not what Khorne is a god of. You can be plenty angry and not commit bloodshed. You can be super-pissed and instead seek to change things (thus being Tzeentchian).

He gains power from anger without bloodshed too. It's just that at its most extreme conclusion (which is where he gets the MOST power), it leads to bloodshed.

By that token, three out of the four Great Powers lose the bulk of their juice to Tzeentch, as the God of Change, as most everything the followers of the others do involves changing one thing to another thing.

 Psienesis wrote:
By that token, three out of the four Great Powers lose the bulk of their juice to Tzeentch, as the God of Change, as most everything the followers of the others do involves changing one thing to another thing.

That assumes Chaos is a zero sum game. (and if that was the case, we'd never see the four work together. Yea, in many parts of it they vie for dominance, but there are still quite a few situations where all four can benefit)

Also, all the four chaos gods (and chaos as a whole) can be considered in many ways a singular entity, so they do often bleed into each other and sometimes overlap.This again was explained when both Slaanesh and Khorne laid claim to Khaine. So there's nothing wrong with the logic that the other three feed Tzeentch a bit whenever they cause change (although arbitrarily claiming a BULK of the power goes to Tzeentch is rather assumptive, to say the least). The four (as well as the rest of Chaos) aren't entirely mutually exclusive from each other.

Can a day go by without dakka discussing dongs and slits?

Probably, but that would be boring.

 Psienesis wrote:
Probably, but that would be boring.

I think I have the perfect thread title to get as many responses as possible in 40k background.

"Matt ward writes story about female space wolf battling chaos thousand son penises with pulse rifles that are superior to bolters via waaagh field".

I was not aware a penis could use a pulse rifle.

It's one of those rarely-mentioned Gifts of Chaos, "Prehensile Schwanzstucker".

Yes, but wouldn't that be a slaaneshi gift? I don't think a marine of the Thousand Sons legion possesses the necessary hardware for that upgrade.

Thanks for the mental scars, guys.

Could be just about any of them, really.

Khorne turns your Little Battle Brother into a weapon of violence and bloodshed? Sure.

Tzeentch just... changes it for the hell of it? That's what he does.

Slaanesh? Well, already covered.

Nurgle? Now, this is extremely nasty... but we can't blame him for getting on the bandwagon.

The direction of this thread makes we want to give up 40k

There's no room for the weak in the grim future of the 41st millennium... or on DakkaDakka.

ESPECIALLY Dakka Dakka.

This is something out of a Japanese webcomic and I bear some blame in starting this thread.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I was not aware a penis could use a pulse rifle.

It's apart of their augmentation, just in case they lose an arm.