I have the knight titan codex. Ask away.

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**Wayniac**

insaniak wrote:
BrotherHaraldus wrote:
...So if my friends force me to take one, I won't have to roll on the table.

Sorry... what?

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Dono1979 wrote:
And then people who dont play IG would be complaining that they will have to buy an $80+ codex just to play Knights which arent even part of the IG army......

They need to buy a codex either way. This way they would at least get one with actual content.

I think he's being sarcastic, since it says if you "want" to field Knights, while he's being "forced" to field a Knight

**Ravenous D**

TheCustomLime wrote:
What is the fluff like? Is there a battle that the Knights lose?

They beat an Ork waagh back then are over run by 20 stompas.

There is mention of traitor Knights of house Drakon leading a daemon army.

**Wayniac**

Ravenous D wrote:
TheCustomLime wrote:
What is the fluff like? Is there a battle that the Knights lose?

They beat an Ork waagh back then are over run by 20 stompas.

There is mention of traitor Knights of house Drakon leading a daemon army.

Yet can't ally with Chaos

**insaniak**

WayneTheGame wrote:
I think he's being sarcastic, since it says if you "want" to field Knights, while he's being "forced" to field a Knight

Then someone has misunderstood, since the OP didn't say 'if you want to field knights'... he said 'if you want to field ranked knights'.

If you just want to field bog standard knights, you don't roll on the table.

**Johnnytorrance**

I don't think these necessarily count as allies unless you bring an army of them.

One of them just counts towards a lord of war.

Now I'm not sure if escalation has a rule for how many lords of war you're allowed to bring

**insaniak**

Johnnytorrance wrote:
I don't think these necessarily count as allies unless you bring an army of them.

They don't use up an allies slot. They are still bound by the allies matrix, though.

One of them just counts towards a lord of war.

They don't count as Lords of War at all.

In a Knight army, one of them counts as your Warlord.

**krazynadechukr**

WayneTheGame wrote:
What I find amusing is more charts. Because that's what the game needs - random freaking charts.

I have much respect for Jervis Johnson and what he brought to the game and company, but if he's the one clamoring for a return to Rogue Trader-era randomness for as many things as possible, it's time to put him out to pasture.

If they want that republish a special 40k Skirmish Rogue Trader edition with everything random, and keep it out of the real game.

WE NEED MORE COW BELL!

**Ravenous D**

Johnnytorrance wrote:
I don't think these necessarily count as allies unless you bring an army of them.

One of them just counts towards a lord of war.

Now I'm not sure if escalation has a rule for how many lords of war you're allowed to bring

Knights are not escalation they can be taken as your primary detachment, there is also a separate detachment just for knights. So you can take Knights as your primary, a knight detachment, an ally detachment, a fortification, a legion of the damned detachment, an inquisitorial detachment, and any formation that can ally with imperial forces.

**TedNugent**

Does the codex have the super-heavy walker and D weapon rules or do you have to buy the Escalation supplement?

Ravenous D wrote:
And the super heavy walker rules. Totalling 6 pages.

Never mind, thanks

**Yodhrin**

Ravenous D wrote:
Johnnytorrance wrote:
I don't think these necessarily count as allies unless you bring an army of them.

One of them just counts towards a lord of war.

Now I'm not sure if escalation has a rule for how many lords of war you're allowed to bring

Knights are not escalation they can be taken as your primary detachment, there is also a separate detachment just for knights. So you can take Knights as your primary, a knight detachment, an ally detachment, a fortification, a legion of the damned detachment, an inquisitorial detachment, and any formation that can ally with imperial forces.

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Hell, as long as GW doesn't completely feth up the upcoming Guard 'dex(which I would not put past them at this stage), it may finally be possible to actually build a proper Adeptus Mechanicus army using entirely core-40K rules. You can really take a main detachment, an allied detachment, a Knights detachment AND an Inquisition detachment all at once, assuming you meet the minimum FoC requirements for each?

**DOOMONYOU**

Do you have to run 3 in the primary detachment? one as warlord and 2 as troops choices?

**kb305**

Ravenous D wrote:
Especially if you roll like gak.

If you rolled 2 or 3 ones you might as well not bother.

it goes the other way too, three 6 and your opponent should just pack up.

**Tiger9gamer**

Okay, so if you want to gamble to see if your knight is a noob, roll on a chart. I like that optional thing

but there is no upgrades at all?

**insaniak**

Tiger9gamer wrote:
Okay, so if you want to gamble to see if your knight is a noob, roll on a chart. I like that optional thing

but there is no upgrades at all?

What do you need upgrades for? You have random gak!

**Ravenous D**

kb305 wrote:
Ravenous D wrote:
Especially if you roll like gak.

If you rolled 2 or 3 ones you might as well not bother.

it goes the other way too, three 6 and your opponent should just pack up.

And that's super heavies in a nut shell. Big win or Big loss.

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Tiger9gamer wrote:
Okay, so if you want to gamble to see if your knight is a noob, roll on a chart. I like that optional thing

but there is no upgrades at all?

Zero upgrades. Pick the Errant or the Paladin is about your only choice.

**dementedwombat**

Well, all that excitement around knights sure went away quick, eh?

**insaniak**

Ravenous D wrote:

Zero upgrades. Pick the Errant or the Paladin is about your only choice.

Although if you want a little more variety, you could try these...

**Gloomfang**

At least now people will stop saying "Escalation and SHA are not standard 40K" now really have something to consider. Super heavy and D-Weapons are now bog standard 40K.

So I am thinking we should expect Baneblades in the IG codex and Stompers/Squigoths in the Ork codex?

**Da Butcha**

Gloomfang wrote:
At least now people will stop saying "Escalation and SHA are not standard 40K" now really have something to consider. Super heavy and D-Weapons are now bog standard 40K.

So I am thinking we should expect Baneblades in the IG codex and Stompers/Squigoths in the Ork codex?

If the Knight release gives me the opportunity to have a plastic Squiggoth, I will kiss Jervis Johnson. On the mouth.

If it gets me the opportunity to have a plastic gargantuan squiggoth...

**Inkubas**

Da Butcha wrote:
Gloomfang wrote:
At least now people will stop saying "Escalation and SHA are not standard 40K" now really have something to consider. Super heavy and D-Weapons are now bog standard 40K.

So I am thinking we should expect Baneblades in the IG codex and Stompers/Squigoths in the Ork codex?

If the Knight release gives me the opportunity to have a plastic Squiggoth, I will kiss Jervis Johnson. On the mouth.

If it gets me the opportunity to have a plastic gargantuan squiggoth...

**Zande4**

Gloomfang wrote:
At least now people will stop saying "Escalation and SHA are not standard 40K" now really have something to consider. Super heavy and D-Weapons are now bog standard 40K.

So I am thinking we should expect Baneblades in the IG codex and Stompers/Squigoths in the Ork codex?

Shouldn't be too bad if it's just those 3. Only D weapon between them is the Stompa's Chainsword.

**Gloomfang**

Unless they start in with Baneblade variants.

Still think the SH and d-weapons are out of the bottle.:

**wuestenfux**

The knight detachment is separate from allies 1-3 can be taken, Do not score

So one can field an army with an ally detachment, a single super heavy unit, and Knight detachment consisting of 1 to 3 non-scoring Knights?

**Zande4**

Gloomfang wrote:
Unless they start in with Baneblade variants.

Still think the SH and d-weapons are out of the bottle.:

What happened to the plastic GWS Shadowsword / Stormsword?

Edit: Ah they just rolled them all into the Baneblade kit.

Looking at my Apocalypse book out of the 8 GWS Variants and the 1 FW Variant, only one has a Str D weapon; the Shadowsword. So as long as they keep that one out, we should be fine.

**Retrogamer0001**

Ehh, definitely gonna pass on the whole Knight thing.

**Bartali**

Ravenous D wrote:
The knight detachment is separate from allies 1-3 can be taken, Do not score

Thanks for that, you've saved be some money !

**SRSFACE**

Ravenous D wrote:

Knightly ranks
"Players that want to include knights apparent or seneschals in their games must roll a dice for each of their knights errant or knights paladin (other then the warlord) at the same time as warlord traits and refer the knightly rank table below to see what the rank that knight has"
1: Knight apparent. Subtract 1 from the knights Ws and Bs. in addition a apparents ion shield confers a 5+ invulnerable save instead of the normal 4+
2-5: Knight. Standard rules
6: Seneschal. Add 1 to the knights Ws and Bs. In addition a knight seneschals ion shield confers a 3+ invulnerable save insteaf of the normal 4+

*rubs temples slowly*

So let me get this straight. The fans have been bitching and moaning about the randomness of the Warlords traits and Psychic Powers tables this edition, Chaos Players loathe the random elements in the units that have them, and so they thought adding a f***ing table that could potentially screw over your $140 f***ing model was a good idea?

Well, who wants to buy my Dark Angels now? I'm done. They're pretty well painted.

**Zande4**

SRSFACE wrote:

Well, who wants to buy my Dark Angels now? I'm done. They're pretty well painted.

You collect Dark Angels? I'm surprised you've lasted as long as you have.

**nosferatu1001**

wuestenfux wrote:
The knight detachment is separate from allies 1-3 can be taken, Do not score

So one can field an army with an ally detachment, a single super heavy unit, and Knight detachment consisting of 1 to 3 non-scoring Knights?

Knights are scoring....

SRSFACE - erm, you realise that the table is optional? IF you want....not YOU MUST.

**SRSFACE**

It's still pathetically, comically stupid.