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Disappointed by a release that hasn't even happened yet. Good times.

Well so far none of the new kits are exciting me except the Hydra, if the codex turns out to be great then I'll perk up a little

I just want more news on what is to come really, rules and more pictures pleaaase

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I have a feeling I'm going to be disappointed by this release. There's so many things that could be done, rough riders, new ordnance vehicles, including the lascannons in the valkyrie box, a new flyer, a new large tank, a different regiment plasticised instead of just cadians and catachans... but we've already seen 4 of the plastic kits we're getting (which haven't really blown me away) and somehow I doubt there's much more to come.

Eh I like the release overall, the more techy Ogryn are nice, I might actually buy and field some, plastic storm troopers are great even if I hate the rigid armour/soft hat combo, it seems like kitbashing them into looking like Kasrkin only requires some cadian heads (IIRC the command squad box comes with respirators too) and a cadian torso instead of the knight like torso, the Taurox is ugly, but I imagine with some wheels to make it look like an armoured car and lower its profile it will be nice, I just want a single gun on the turret instead of multi-barrel guns, maybe a lascannon or something. Honestly I don't care for any new Ordnance, although I am a bit bummed out that we didn't get some rough riders, I can see Empire knights matching aesthetically with the new storm troopers, making it a good over all army theme.

The Stormtrooper kit actually includes helmeted heads, so you're not just stuck with the berets.

 pretre wrote:
Disappointed by a release that hasn't even happened yet. Good times.

Well we've already seen 4 brand new kits. Most the recent releases have only been, what, 3 new kits + some repackaging?

So if the IG release is following the recent trend in Codex releases, we've already seen all there is to see in the way of new kits.

An overpriced Stormtroopers kit

An ugly Taurox

Some Ogryns

A Hydra, which doesn't really excite my pants all that much given we already had a FW Hydra, this just makes it cheaper to obtain.

The Hydra may or may not be a dual kit, so we'll see how that pans out. But I was excited by the rumours of a new flyer and a new large tank model, so at this point I'm still pretty "meh".

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Disappointed by a release that hasn't even happened yet. Good times.

Well we've already seen 4 brand new kits. Most the recent releases have only been, what, 3 new kits + some repackaging?

And by 'seen' you mean we've gotten a couple bad pics from WD. Just saying it is a bit early to be disappointed when we don't even know the details of what is in the kits, etc.

 pretre wrote:
Disappointed by a release that hasn't even happened yet. Good times.

You sound almost surprised!

 pretre wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Disappointed by a release that hasn't even happened yet. Good times.

Well we've already seen 4 brand new kits. Most the recent releases have only been, what, 3 new kits + some repackaging?

And by 'seen' you mean we've gotten a couple bad pics from WD. Just saying it is a bit early to be disappointed when we don't even know the details of what is in the kits, etc.

Regardless of what's in the kits, the Stormtroopers are still 21GBP for only 5 models, the Taurox is still ugly, and the Hydra is still just a cheaper version of what we could already get from FW.

I remain optimistic that the Hydra MIGHT be a cool dual kit.

And hey, maybe they're going to release more than has been leaked... I didn't say I was disappointed, I said "I have a feeling I'm going to be disappointed..."

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I didn't say I was disappointed, I said "I have a feeling I'm going to be disappointed..."

And I didn't say I was talking about you...

Unless they decide to give the Hydra interceptor, I don't see what possible appeal it will have. Even to a complete fluff-bunny beer n pretzels pleeb, the unit is literally useless on the tabletop if your opponent isn't bringing air.

I just don't understand the thought process...

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Regardless of what's in the kits, the Stormtroopers are still 21GBP for only 5 models, the Taurox is still ugly, and the Hydra is still just a cheaper version of what we could already get from FW.

Except we have had multiple examples in the past where people have proclaimed the failure of a new model from the leaked pics only to turn around on it when the actual models hit the table. So, again, might want to wait for the actual release before giving up on it.

 pretre wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I didn't say I was disappointed, I said "I have a feeling I'm going to be disappointed..."

And I didn't say I was talking about you...

I know, just clarifying seeing as your 2nd post was to me

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Even to a complete fluff-bunny beer n pretzels pleeb, the unit is literally useless on the tabletop if your opponent isn't bringing air.

That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

 pretre wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Regardless of what's in the kits, the Stormtroopers are still 21GBP for only 5 models, the Taurox is still ugly, and the Hydra is still just a cheaper version of what we could already get from FW.

Except we have had multiple examples in the past where people have proclaimed the failure of a new model from the leaked pics only to turn around on it when the actual models hit the table. So, again, might want to wait for the actual release before giving up on it.

I don't think I've ever done that, so I feel confident in my feeling that Stormtroopers are too expensive, Taurox is ugly and the Hydra is just a (hopefully!) cheaper version of what we already had.

Buttons wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I have a feeling I'm going to be disappointed by this release. There's so many things that could be done, rough riders, new ordnance vehicles, including the lascannons in the valkyrie box, a new flyer, a new large tank, a different regiment plasticised instead of just cadians and catachans... but we've already seen 4 of the plastic kits we're getting (which haven't really blown me away) and somehow I doubt there's much more to come.

Eh I like the release overall, the more techy Ogryn are nice, I might actually buy and field some, plastic storm troopers are great even if I hate the rigid armour/soft hat combo, it seems like kitbashing them into looking like Kasrkin only requires some cadian heads (IIRC the command squad box comes with respirators too) and a cadian torso instead of the knight like torso, the Taurox is ugly, but I imagine with some wheels to make it look like an armoured car and lower its profile it will be nice, I just want a single gun on the turret instead of multi-barrel guns, maybe a lascannon or something. Honestly I don't care for any new Ordnance, although I am a bit bummed out that we didn't get some rough riders, I can see Empire knights matching aesthetically with the new storm troopers, making it a good over all army theme.

I suspect Ogryns can use alot from the Centurion kits with minimal work.

One assumes that they'll be limited somewhat with regards to any changes they make by the fairly recently reprinted and revised Imperial Armour 1

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Armour_Books/IMPERIAL_ARMOUR_VOLUME_ONE_SECOND_EDITION_IMPERIAL_GUARD.html


As this includes rules for the Russ tanks, Chimera, Hydra etc etc they'd have to stay the same ?

Unless they wish to invalidate a £55 reprint of a £50 book, which would piss off a lot of ..

,,..oh.


Oh dear.

On the plus side perhaps this is why we get the new vehicle, as it doesn't invalidate anything else ?

Does anyone have the revised IA : 1 at all ?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 pretre wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Regardless of what's in the kits, the Stormtroopers are still 21GBP for only 5 models, the Taurox is still ugly, and the Hydra is still just a cheaper version of what we could already get from FW.

Except we have had multiple examples in the past where people have proclaimed the failure of a new model from the leaked pics only to turn around on it when the actual models hit the table. So, again, might want to wait for the actual release before giving up on it.

I don't think I've ever done that, so I feel confident in my feeling that Stormtroopers are too expensive, Taurox is ugly and the Hydra is just a (hopefully!) cheaper version of what we already had.

You're basing your judgement of the Stormtroopers kit on two pictures, which is silly. For all you know the kit comes with masses of spares, a la most of the new plastic GW kits, to allow you to bling out a load of plastic cadians, etc.

Your opinion of the Taurox is subjective (although I agree, it's not an attractive kit) and why is getting a FW tank variant in plastic something to be disappointed about? At the very least that's also pretty personal to you.

You've also left out the fact that there are 2 books coming (Codex and Stormtroopers supp) and there are some other bits and pieces rumoured. Use all the winky faces you want, you're moaning about something you don't have the full story on.

 reds8n wrote:

On the plus side perhaps this is why we get the new vehicle, as it doesn't invalidate anything else ?

Does anyone have the revised IA : 1 at all ?

I have this book, if that's what you're asking.

 Bull0 wrote:
You're basing your judgement of the Stormtroopers kit on two pictures, which is silly. For all you know the kit comes with masses of spares, a la most of the new plastic GW kits, to allow you to bling out a load of plastic cadians, etc.

Unless they're made from gold and I can melt them down and resell them, I feel pretty confident in feeling that much money for 5 plastic man sized infantry models is too much.

Your opinion of the Taurox is subjective (although I agree, it's not an attractive kit) and why is getting a FW tank variant in plastic something to be disappointed about? At the very least that's also pretty personal to you.

Obviously the Taurox is subjective, though I think a lot of people agree on it.

I didn't mean to say getting the Hydra was bad and I'm not disappointed in the Hydra itself, just that it's not something new and exciting, it's something we always had in the codex and FW have had a model for it for ages. It's nothing that's making me excited.

You've also left out the fact that there are 2 books coming (Codex and Stormtroopers supp) and there are some other bits and pieces rumoured. Use all the winky faces you want, you're moaning about something you don't have the full story on.

I'm not moaning, just stating that I think I will be disappointed by this release because we've already seen 4 new plastic kits and the recent trend is for new armies to only get around 3 or 4 new kits, so I feel like what we've seen is what we're getting and nothing in it makes me all that excited. Even the Tyranid release the Exocrine and Harpy got me excited despite the fact the Codex itself was lackluster.

The only genuinely new toy we've seen is the Taurox which I really don't care about.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Disappointed by a release that hasn't even happened yet. Good times.

You sound almost surprised!

Just whatever you do... don't drop your pledge!

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
You're basing your judgement of the Stormtroopers kit on two pictures, which is silly. For all you know the kit comes with masses of spares, a la most of the new plastic GW kits, to allow you to bling out a load of plastic cadians, etc.

Unless they're made from gold and I can melt them down and resell them, I feel pretty confident in feeling that much money for 5 plastic man sized infantry models is too much.

Really? This is the kit that broke the price barrier for you? I'm very surprised. Doesn't seem pricey at all to me, particularly if my suspicions are correct and there's some good spares action going on.

You know GW tried to charge £15 for one plastic librarian last summer, right?

 Bull0 wrote:
You know GW tried to charge £15 for one plastic librarian last summer, right?

And succeeded!

 pretre wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
You know GW tried to charge £15 for one plastic librarian last summer, right?

And succeeded!

Not with me they didn't. That was the one that really turned me off. But yeah, I guess people bought it. Nice enough model.

 Bull0 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
You're basing your judgement of the Stormtroopers kit on two pictures, which is silly. For all you know the kit comes with masses of spares, a la most of the new plastic GW kits, to allow you to bling out a load of plastic cadians, etc.

Unless they're made from gold and I can melt them down and resell them, I feel pretty confident in feeling that much money for 5 plastic man sized infantry models is too much.

Really? This is the kit that broke the price barrier from you? I'm very surprised. Doesn't seem pricey at all to me, particularly if my suspicions are correct and there's some good spares action going on.

You know GW tried to charge £15 for one plastic librarian last summer, right?

It didn't really "break the price barrier" for me so much as I don't place a large value on spares and am disappointed it's more expensive than both resin DKOK Grenadiers and also metal Kasrkin (yes, I'm aware they will come with more options). That and IG armies are already painfully expensive.

If the models are awesome I might still buy them... but it's nothing I'm jumping up and down about with excitement given we already had some pretty good Stormtrooper options to begin with.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Unless they decide to give the Hydra interceptor, I don't see what possible appeal it will have. Even to a complete fluff-bunny beer n pretzels pleeb, the unit is literally useless on the tabletop if your opponent isn't bringing air.

I just don't understand the thought process...

I believe it is still pretty useful against skimmers, which are fielded by every Xenos race aside from Nids and they tend to bring FMC's in the HQ slot. Plus, denying them their jink save is pretty handy.

 MisterPerkins wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Unless they decide to give the Hydra interceptor, I don't see what possible appeal it will have. Even to a complete fluff-bunny beer n pretzels pleeb, the unit is literally useless on the tabletop if your opponent isn't bringing air.

I just don't understand the thought process...

I believe it is still pretty useful against skimmers, which are fielded by every Xenos race aside from Nids and they tend to bring FMC's in the HQ slot. Plus, denying them their jink save is pretty handy.

Orks don't usually have skimmers either, but I'd say that the Hydra is still a decent enough gun platform even when used against ground targets. Two TL Autocannons and a Heavy Bolter is pretty good even if you have to snap-fire the AC. Not the most points-efficient way of getting Autocannons with the guard, but still far from literally useless. Two hydras are similar in firepower and cost to one Leman Russ Exterminator and that's not a bad tank at all.

I think I agree with the sentiment that the hydra should have interceptor - wishlisting I know - purely because before 6th, it was the only dedicated anti-air platform in the whole game; and now it's one of the worst! Everything that's come out since may be more expensive, but is vastly more effective. Even the aegis quad gun, when the hydra is supposed to be the venerable and much-beloved first line of aerial defence for the guard!

 reds8n wrote:
One assumes that they'll be limited somewhat with regards to any changes they make by the fairly recently reprinted and revised Imperial Armour 1

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Armour_Books/IMPERIAL_ARMOUR_VOLUME_ONE_SECOND_EDITION_IMPERIAL_GUARD.html


As this includes rules for the Russ tanks, Chimera, Hydra etc etc they'd have to stay the same ?

Unless they wish to invalidate a £55 reprint of a £50 book, which would piss off a lot of ..

,,..oh.


Oh dear.

On the plus side perhaps this is why we get the new vehicle, as it doesn't invalidate anything else ?

Does anyone have the revised IA : 1 at all ?

Last time round the FW rules included new rules not yet published, the Chimera comes to mind with its Command Vehicle special rule.

 pretre wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Even to a complete fluff-bunny beer n pretzels pleeb, the unit is literally useless on the tabletop if your opponent isn't bringing air.

That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

Nah.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Even to a complete fluff-bunny beer n pretzels pleeb, the unit is literally useless on the tabletop if your opponent isn't bringing air.

That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

Enlighten me.

Considering it has other uses other than just against air, it is not literally useless. It is perhaps not the best or most effective choice but it still has uses.