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 BlaxicanX wrote:
I don't really see how it's speed is going to matter all that much, considering it'll be blown up first turn unless you hide it behind stuff.

I don't play on empty tables, so that's not an issue.

It should be an issue because if they can't see you then won't be seeing them either, and if you're hiding then you're not transporting troops up the field.

Thus, that "transport with a large gun on it" is neither transporting nor gunning. So why is there?

 BlaxicanX wrote:
It should be an issue because if they can't see you then won't be seeing them either, and if you're hiding then you're not transporting troops up the field.

Thus, that "transport with a large gun on it" is neither transporting nor gunning. So why is there?

I take it you just started playing? If you maneuver properly then you can advance up the board while staying out of sight of most if not all of the opposing force. There is terrain in the middle of the board, after all. Terrain isn't restricted to deployment zones. And if you want to make use of that gun then, depending on the terrain, you can do so while only being in sight of A) something you can destroy with your fire, B) something you can sufficiently weaken with your fire, and/or C) something which isn't a serious threat to you. So even if you want to shoot something up, that doesn't necessarily require you being out in the open for every single enemy unit to be able to draw line of sight to you. Moreover, most of the time shooting things every turn doesn't necessarily contribute to your winning the game. What's more important is being in a position to achieve a strategic goal at the right time. For instance, a Taurox Prime carrying a squad of Scions on it which does nothing the first four turns of the game is well worth it if, on the fifth turn, it zooms out and blasts an enemy Scoring Unit off an objective and denies them the Victory Points needed to win the game.

 Happygrunt wrote:
I am actually liking the taurox MORE now that we got some good shots. I honestly see it in a "fire support" role with the missiles and auto cannon. Around the same price as a chimera for increased firepower and speed but decreased survivability and troop transport potential. Have the chimeras move up, transporting troops while the taurox sits in the back and gives mobile fire support.

So ooooooo you are excited about the speed of the vehicle. .. And plan on having it sit back as fire support?

 Chief Librarian Mephiston wrote:
I take it you just started playing? If you maneuver properly then you can advance up the board while staying out of sight of most if not all of the opposing force. There is terrain in the middle of the board, after all. Terrain isn't restricted to deployment zones. And if you want to make use of that gun then, depending on the terrain, you can do so while only being in sight of A) something you can destroy with your fire, B) something you can sufficiently weaken with your fire, and/or C) something which isn't a serious threat to you. So even if you want to shoot something up, that doesn't necessarily require you being out in the open for every single enemy unit to be able to draw line of sight to you.

So under the best possible conditions you could possibly have, it has have a sort of/kind of use.

Inspiring.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
So under the best possible conditions you could possibly have, it has have a sort of/kind of use.

Inspiring.

No, just the circumstances which regularly occur because apparently, unlike you it seems, I actually make use of terrain and don't play on barren game tables.

Apparently you play against idiots and set up a massive line of LOS terrain that covers 60% of the board.

I mean, since you feel like mud-slinging, for whatever reason.

 HisDivineShadow wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:
I am actually liking the taurox MORE now that we got some good shots. I honestly see it in a "fire support" role with the missiles and auto cannon. Around the same price as a chimera for increased firepower and speed but decreased survivability and troop transport potential. Have the chimeras move up, transporting troops while the taurox sits in the back and gives mobile fire support.

So ooooooo you are excited about the speed of the vehicle. .. And plan on having it sit back as fire support?

Speed makes it more mobile, so yes, I am going to use it as fire support, because I wont have to worry about not having the shot I want. I will be able to move the apc around and have it shoot what I want to from where I want to (with careful planning). And it is a transport with (rumored) firepoints, so I could have a small unit inside and move them around if I needed too.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Apparently you play against idiots and set up a massive line of LOS terrain that covers 60% of the board.

I mean, since you feel like mud-slinging, for whatever reason.

No, I just have a shred of common sense and understand rudimentary geometry. Your point's silly altogether, though. What was your original comment, again? "I don't really see how it's speed is going to matter all that much, considering it'll be blown up first turn unless you hide it behind stuff." Under that definition, EVERYTHING is garbage, because anything and everything left out in the open on Turn 1 can potentially die. Even a Revenant Titan can get greased on Turn 1 if it's left out in the open. So what's the point?

Mmmm, no. Because not everything is a 11/10/10 transport whose primary role is to move troops up the board and, ideally, provide fire-support once it gets there. If you have it cowering behind cover in your deployment zone, it's not doing its job.

So, like you said, if you have LOS blocking terrain lined up right so you can move it up the board safely, and your opponent has the right deployment to let you you take potshots at his weak crappy units, than... I guess you can do something. But if conditions are that good then why even bother with the unit in the first place? As a Guard player I have already transports that won't die when someone sneezes at them, and better fire-support options. What hole in the Guard codex is the Taurox plugging, here?

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Apparently you play against idiots and set up a massive line of LOS terrain that covers 60% of the board.

I mean, since you feel like mud-slinging, for whatever reason.

Hmmm, you are a boring player. Empty tables, no cover, no tactics. Sitting and shooting is wasteful in the open unless you have some serious armour or hard troops. Even then I always rely on cover as most players tend to. If the enemy is blowing you up on turn one you need to rethink your map designs and points sizes in my opinion.

But if thats how you like to play, then yes get used to your stuff dying on turn one. You wont find anything but the heaviest of units useful in a game like that.

Mmmm, I'm glad you play against fluff-bunny beer n pretzels players who proxy half their units and let you smother the board with LOS blocking terrain so no one can shoot anything past 12''.

Hey, I can make silly ad hominems too!

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Mmmm, I'm glad you play against fluff-bunny beer n pretzels players who proxy half their units and let you smother the board with LOS blocking terrain.

Hey, I can make silly ad hominems too!

Good for you. Enjoy your clearly great gaming experience, because we all suck and thats why we have fun

Hey man, same to you. Meanwhile, i'll be playing competent players and having fun.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Hey man, same to you. Meanwhile, i'll be playing competent players and having fun.

If you are having fun, stop whining about a unit that hasnt come out yet and we dont know the full details of. Assuming makes an ass out of everyone involved.

Is the guy who's only input in this discussion is insulting me and making assumptions about how I play the game telling me to not make assumptions?

Hilarious. Take some of your own advice, friend. =)

No I have been asking questions earlier. People like you just make us look like angry monkeys in a cage. If you dont like a unit, why make a fuss. It clearly doesnt fit in with your army or ideas. But it may for someone else.

So let it go.

If you had kept the conversation positive instead of voicing rage over a model, then everyone will be speculating and building excitement happily and normally.

Anyways, as you probably want, I shall no longer respond. I like others, clearly can find a use for such vehicle for whatever reason. We dont even know what this can do, let alone how much it can carry. So saying it sucks isnt really necessary yet.

So this is what an internet slap fight looks like.

Good to know. Now, can' t we all just get along?

-Red__Thirst-

 Red__Thirst wrote:
So this is what an internet slap fight looks like.

Good to know. Now, can' t we all just get along?

-Red__Thirst-

Very true, sorry :(

Anyone else see some cool but expensive rough rider conversions form those storm troopers?

 Swastakowey wrote:
No I have been asking questions earlier. People like you just make us look like angry monkeys in a cage. If you dont like a unit, why make a fuss. It clearly doesnt fit in with your army or ideas. But it may for someone else.

So let it go.

If you had kept the conversation positive instead of voicing rage over a model, then everyone will be speculating and building excitement happily and normally.

Anyways, as you probably want, I shall no longer respond. I like others, clearly can find a use for such vehicle for whatever reason. We dont even know what this can do, let alone how much it can carry. So saying it sucks isnt really necessary yet.

Why make a fuss about me making a fuss? It seems rather hypocritical of you to say this. I have no obligation to lie and "keep the discussion positive". The rules from what we know, are ass, and it's within my rights to voice that. I'm not the only person in the past few pages to have done so.

If you have something to actually contribute to the topic of the unit's rules, feel free, I welcome all opinions. If all you have to contribute is insults, well. You can keep those to yourself, I guess.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Red__Thirst wrote:
So this is what an internet slap fight looks like.

Good to know. Now, can' t we all just get along?

-Red__Thirst-

Very true, sorry :(

Anyone else see some cool but expensive rough rider conversions form those storm troopers?

If rough riders still exist, :( we can only hope. Someone already mentioned how their cuirasses could be used for Bretonnian knight models.

I will admit, the armour on a horse with matching armour would look very cool. But I too worry about the future of the modest rough rider. I doubt they will be gone though. (well hope at least)

I have to agree with Blaxican on this new vehicle. What role will this Taurox vehicle provide in the IG codex that is not already fulfilled? A battle cannon on a light vehicle is something new, but is it worth the point cost with its low survivability? I rarely ever see Chimeras fielded anymore due to their low survivability & the Taurox has even less armor. I can't see why anyone would use them to transport stormtroopers as they can deep strike & even if you choose not to dropping them from a Valkyrie is likely also a better alternative.

 Red__Thirst wrote:
So this is what an internet slap fight looks like.

Good to know. Now, can' t we all just get along?

-Red__Thirst-

Shhhhhh, they were just about to get onto "who has the bigger tank", and "You cant kill me because of my PeW!PeW! shield!!"

I'm debating taking some LoTR models I could get for not a lot of money and ordering the hunting lances from Victoria Miniatures and then greenstuffing the giant furry hats onto them so they look suitably Vostroyan. Not sure yet, but it's an idea.

We'll see I suppose. I for one hope Rough Riders stay in the codex, as they're a cool unit and one I'd enjoy using one day if I can convert some up.

Just my thoughts, take it easy for now.

-Red__Thirst-

Barrage weapon says hello!

At least, mine do, I could afford to divert an Earthshaker or two to fire at those transport and have a decent chance to blow them or cripple them.

Still go the Thudd guns to shoot at squishy stuff.

17 different heads!? I usually lambast GW like crazy but this time I'm impressed. Hope there are all kind of bits inside.

M.

I kinda want both the codex and a Taurox now, the Taurox actually wouldn't look half that bad with the turret and missile rack left off, keeping the actual vehicle as more of a grim-dark version of the Morris Humber or *insert name of the replacement for the Hummer here*, making for a rather neat riot control vehicle with the guns and Imperial Guard lion icons left off.

The purse swinging is stupid and a very distracting tangent.

Can you two please stop indulging your Jerry Springer impulses in the thread, now?

Who are you talking to?

 Grimskul wrote:


If rough riders still exist, :( we can only hope. Someone already mentioned how their cuirasses could be used for Bretonnian knight models.

Still crossing fingers for a points reduction and maybe power lances.