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Only reason would be because it is fast and comes with a lite-version of the battle cannon.

 BrookM wrote:
Forgot to mention: The Clarion network only applies to squads in the same platoon.

I like this. Pretty fluffy, I think - you always hear about "squad vox networks, company vox nets" and the like.

The Prime might get used for the Fast. I don't see the loadout very useful.

The normal isn't that far off from a Salamander. Trading up for a twin AC And losing an armor point.

Yeah ! Nice catch.

Red text-box is interesting.
The upgrades : dozer blade, extra armour and camo net are down 5 points from the V5 codex cost. Looking to see such prices in regular IG regiment codex.
Profiles for scions weapons.

The taurox prime is a complete abomination from both model and rules standpoints.
The price of a Devilfish for this... joke.
OK the twin-linked hot-shot volleyguns with BS:4 will score almost certainly 4 hits at STR:4 AP:3 but that's it. Plus they are hull-monted.
Not so clever for such a vehicle, potentially having to expose its AV:10 flanks for aiming at a target.


On the other hand, the stortroopers (tempestus scions 'scuse...) are potentially good this time.

 Ravajaxe wrote:

The taurox prime is a complete abomination from both model and rules standpoints.
The price of a Devilfish for this... joke.

It's better than the price of a devilfish for a devilfish .

That volley gun.

I like that weapon.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:

The taurox prime is a complete abomination from both model and rules standpoints.
The price of a Devilfish for this... joke.

It's better than the price of a devilfish for a devilfish .

You can't be serious...

The Devilfish has much better armour, it's immune to bolter fire except from rear, has a permanent 5+ cover save (which can be augmented).
It carries serious STR:5 firepower and 2 drones that can overwatch or annoy your opponent once detached.
Tau army can play well wihout the Devilfish, it does not mean it is a bad vehicle, plus it has a sleek fine futuristic look.
Taurox prime is bad from every point of view. Regular Taurox is barely playable.

Pintle Mounted weapons went down 5pts too.

As for the actual rules I think they're pretty solid. For 100pts you can get a fast tank that re-rolls terrain that has 2 TL-St7 and 2 BS4 St8 shots. That's pretty nice actually. And has transport capacity.

Though for saturation you're probably better off running 2 of the regular ones.

Please note that the Scions no longer have both Hellguns and Hellpistols. (I refuse to use the H&$ S&$% name for them).

I am realizing now that the Taurox is essentially GWs (horrible) attempt to mimick the CHIMEDON Chimera with a battlecannon in the turret, CHIMERRO The Chimerro is a standard Chimera with additional Hunter-Killer missiles, CHIMERAX Quad autocannons for use against ground and air targets, in order to get more $$$$ from gamers instead of redesigning a new chimera kit with options.... Sadness.

Also, the Cadian studio army may or may not have received a more cartoony paintjob: Khaki shirts, dark green trousers, and light green armour with brown stripes.

 Ravajaxe wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:

The taurox prime is a complete abomination from both model and rules standpoints.
The price of a Devilfish for this... joke.

It's better than the price of a devilfish for a devilfish .

You can't be serious...

The Devilfish has much better armour, it's immune to bolter fire except from rear, has a permanent 5+ cover save (which can be augmented).
It carries serious STR:5 firepower and 2 drones that can overwatch or annoy your opponent once detached.
Tau army can play well wihout the Devilfish, it does not mean it is a bad vehicle, plus it has a sleek fine futuristic look.
Taurox prime is bad from every point of view. Regular Taurox is barely playable.

Dude, calm down, he was making a joke.

Also interesting that storm troops have a platoon option in the new IG book. They no longer are single units. And the cost for deepstriking killers isn't bad either. 90pts for 2 deepstriking meltas with no dangerous tests for landing in terrain.

Additionally they dropped 15pts for the base squad and 4pts for each additional model (so 25%). If they function like IG platoons and are a single reserve roll it could be fun, especially with the command squad giving out orders on the drop.

I am really liking the rules for the Taurox Prime. For 95 points (Gatling+Heavy Stubber upgrades) you get 4 S4 AP3 shots, 10 TL S4 AP- shots, and 3 S4 AP6 shots, all at a glorious BS4. Maybe not quite a Venom, but still quite beastly.

145 points for a Scion Command Squad with full plasma has been making my eyes water, a bit late to the anti-Riptide crisis but still quite nice nonetheless. Combined with a Servo Skull Inquisitor and Psyoccolum, well the unit becomes basically broken.

D6 scatter from a servo skull, fire at a unit with Psykers in, like a psychic MC, or Farseer unit, or anything, and wipe them out with BS10 plasma.

Is that the White Dwarf? Like Knights, that might be all I need!

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Is that the White Dwarf? Like Knights, that might be all I need!

Yes.

Inhale. Exhale.

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:

The taurox prime is a complete abomination from both model and rules standpoints.
The price of a Devilfish for this... joke.

It's better than the price of a devilfish for a devilfish .

You can't be serious...

The Devilfish has much better armour, it's immune to bolter fire except from rear, has a permanent 5+ cover save (which can be augmented).
It carries serious STR:5 firepower and 2 drones that can overwatch or annoy your opponent once detached.
Tau army can play well wihout the Devilfish, it does not mean it is a bad vehicle, plus it has a sleek fine futuristic look.
Taurox prime is bad from every point of view. Regular Taurox is barely playable.

Dude, calm down, he was making a joke.

A joke that's true. The devilfish is to expensive. It has S5, with a maximum range of 18". It can upgrade (for ten points) to have SMS, but at that point it's 90 points. It has OK armour, but it can't do anything. It's often more expensive then the unit it is transporting. The Taurox Prime is faster than it and better armed than it. The only things that the devilfish has above it is AV, it's a skimmer, and it can transport two extra people.

Oh, wait. These scans will do!

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:

The taurox prime is a complete abomination from both model and rules standpoints.
The price of a Devilfish for this... joke.

It's better than the price of a devilfish for a devilfish .

You can't be serious...

The Devilfish has much better armour, it's immune to bolter fire except from rear, has a permanent 5+ cover save (which can be augmented).
It carries serious STR:5 firepower and 2 drones that can overwatch or annoy your opponent once detached.
Tau army can play well wihout the Devilfish, it does not mean it is a bad vehicle, plus it has a sleek fine futuristic look.
Taurox prime is bad from every point of view. Regular Taurox is barely playable.

Dude, calm down, he was making a joke.

Huh OK, sorry he was not serious after all.

Need to take a step back, I'm overwhelmed with disappointment with the Taurox.
It might not even deserve the hassle to take an alternative miniature.

25pt fists? Obviously someone doesn't play guard.

Tauroxes are both ugly and overcosted, but at least suicide melta squads got 15pts cheaper.

Some of those over costed options make me somewhat concerned for the guard dex. Here's hoping Im wrong that GW is going to make incomplete books in order to sell formations and micro transaction BS.

I'm happy that Stormtroopers now have platoons, as it frees up elites slots for Marbo and Ogryn while I can still bring 30 of them. The Command Squad might be nice as well as otherwise ST typically drop outside of orders range.

Kind of gutted they lost the Special Operations, though. Outflank was always a neat option and re-rolling DS was awesome. Losing the pistol+ccw is also a blow.

Still, at 12ppm, I can bring loads. Pretty happy with this change overall, and good to see evidence of platoons and orders staying just about the same (assuming they aren't going to invalidate these rules a week after publication)

I can't see the Taurox being that useful. Too fragile for the points and could only work en masse.

Ok, an elites choice, each elites choice is 1 to 3 squads (of 5 to 10 men), meaning I could field 85 to 90 Scions (if points permit)?

Elite 1 - 3 squads of 10 men each = 30 (25 if 1 is a command)
Elite 2 - 3 squads of 10 men each = 30
Elite 3 - 3 squads of 10 men each = 30

Hm. I have 55 DKOK Grenadiers (they have masks & helguns)....

Yeah, the plasma pistol/power weapon/power fist pricing is moronic, the platoon standard is probably just as gak as it previously was and Incoming/Move Move Move is of questionable use, but there is definitely some good things going on here.

The Taurox Prime I think will be quite a bastion of firepower outfitted properly, and I think the Scions will prove mental with an Inquisitor.

 Ravenous D wrote:
25pt fists? Obviously someone doesn't play guard.

Tauroxes are both ugly and overcosted, but at least suicide melta squads got 15pts cheaper.

Some of those over costed options make me somewhat concerned for the guard dex. Here's hoping Im wrong that GW is going to make incomplete books in order to sell formations and micro transaction BS.

Dude, I've not noticed that on the first glance. I'm so shocked.
Plasma pistol and above that, close combat weapons priced at space marines cost. This is outrageous !
It will certainly be the same for the platoon. Platoon CC-capable blob is dead.

or is it you can have 1 scion command per elites choice?

You can have one Stormtrooper command squad per elite slot basically. They just require a 5-man normal trooper squad.

And there is something kinda funny depending on how the stormtrooper codex turns out. 50 Deepstriking kill teams (assuming melta) and 10 Taurox are only 1400pts Still leaves plenty of points for allies or other silliness

I find it amusing that they make a point that all Stormtroopers carry a dagger in the fluff text.....and then in the rules they don't have a CCW. ( I know, technically all models have 1, they just don't have an official CCW for 2 attacks purposes....but still, you think they would to make them more elite).

 Hulksmash wrote:
Also interesting that storm troops have a platoon option in the new IG book. They no longer are single units. And the cost for deepstriking killers isn't bad either. 90pts for 2 deepstriking meltas with no dangerous tests for landing in terrain.
Additionally they dropped 15pts for the base squad and 4pts for each additional model (so 25%). If they function like IG platoons and are a single reserve roll it could be fun, especially with the command squad giving out orders on the drop.

This looks to me a way to tempt players who like to play veteran IG troops rather than the normal hordes to change armies. To deep strike or use a "fast" transport does look like an objective grabbing army this is "elite lite", I am assuming they are "normal" troop choices.

My assumption was for the codex supposedly coming out. I figured if they are the primary detachment they score. If they are actual troops in the codex that would be awesome but it's unlikely since then they'd be amazing allies. Imagine any of the other "Codexes" like Knights, LotD, or Inquisition being primary and counting as scoring and then adding these. I'm betting they are just Elite choices that score if primary.

Just something silly that could be fun.

the Taurox looks unfortunately to be somewhat dead on arrival, unless they murdered the Chimera the Taurox just seems pointless. Meanwhile the Taurox Prime seems to suffer the problem of putting too much on too fragile a platform, a 100pt missile Rhino isn't going to strike too many people's fancy.

I'm hoping the volleygun is an indicator as to what will happen to Hotshot lasguns, S3 and 18" just isn't usable.

I'm disappointed they remained WS3 and Ld7/8 and lost the pistol/CCW combo, these should be the best guys in the Imperium outside the Space Marines, as opposed to just being upgunned Guardsmen. At 12ppm, unless they made the Hotshot Lagun *real* sweet, they still look expensive for what they offer.

I'm happy they're available in platoons, that's super cool though, and something I've looked forward to for years.