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For the purposes of using them in a Guard Army I just need the White dwarf correct?

If so I will get that instead of the book and save a decent amount of cash. anyone know if there will be some rules that say "refer to tempestus codex" in there?

£21.00 for 5 plastic men.... so one plastic human with fancy armour is £4.20? Am I just being cheap or is this totally insane? help?

 SJM wrote:
£21.00 for 5 plastic men.... so one plastic human with fancy armour is £4.20? Am I just being cheap or is this totally insane? help?

I agree. I am buying 10 but no more. Because I really like these models. The lack of value for money is stopping me going any further.

360 view confirms the turret clears the back.


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Sprues are nice for the scions.

They are a little pricey, I went to my favourite 20% off place which made it doable. I'm glad there are 5 hellguns in there. I got 4 boxes, and plan to do 2 squads of 10 and use the spares to turn 5 spare cadians into a scion command squad. Steered clear of the wagons.

So no opinion changes on the Scions Taurox? I think its awesome personally. I might use them over Chimeras if I ever decide to go mechanized.

And poof goes the V3 stormtroopers and V4 kasrkins (by Juan Diaz) on GW website.
Dear Kasrkins, you will be missed.

 Swastakowey wrote:
So no opinion changes on the Scions Taurox? I think its awesome personally. I might use them over Chimeras if I ever decide to go mechanized.

What do you mean no opinions, there are pages and pages of them in this thread!

Unless they've completely nerfed the Chimera, I see no reason to spend my money on the Taurox - it's $48 for a flimsier version of the Chimera, which is $37 (and which I already have coming out my ). Not a big fan of the way it looks, and doesn't really fill a need for my IG army. Not sure why I can't just deep strike some Scions with meltas or plasmas to a spot where I need 'em instead of driving them up in a big "first blood" magnet.

 Swastakowey wrote:
For the purposes of using them in a Guard Army I just need the White dwarf correct?

If so I will get that instead of the book and save a decent amount of cash. anyone know if there will be some rules that say "refer to tempestus codex" in there?

After a skim-read the only thing I've noticed is that the codex will have new orders for them.

 Bull0 wrote:
They are a little pricey, I went to my favourite 20% off place which made it doable. I'm glad there are 5 hellguns in there. I got 4 boxes, and plan to do 2 squads of 10 and use the spares to turn 5 spare cadians into a scion command squad. Steered clear of the wagons.

Much like similar kits, this one promises to offer enough bits to convert quite a few other models to be pretty awesome.

So, looking at the pre-order site and the new pics/360* views, I can safely say I'm still thoroughly unimpressed by the Taurox model, the treads are just badly done and it looks more suited to an Ork army. I don't know why GW thought this thing was a good idea, but they were wrong.

The Scion models aren't bad, I'm not at all a fan of the beret heads (though I understand others are) and the flag with "Scions" on it just looks silly, but with helmeted heads I think they look pretty cool. Still not quite understanding why they needed to reinvent the wheel instead of porting the older ST's or Kasrkin to plastic, but these are kinda cool too.

That said, the Scions are as expensive as Forgeworld Death Korps Grenadier models, so that's a thing...

 Swastakowey wrote:
So no opinion changes on the Scions Taurox?

It's still fugly.

 rabidguineapig wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
So no opinion changes on the Scions Taurox? I think its awesome personally. I might use them over Chimeras if I ever decide to go mechanized.

What do you mean no opinions, there are pages and pages of them in this thread!

Unless they've completely nerfed the Chimera, I see no reason to spend my money on the Taurox - it's $48 for a flimsier version of the Chimera, which is $37 (and which I already have coming out my ). Not a big fan of the way it looks, and doesn't really fill a need for my IG army. Not sure why I can't just deep strike some Scions with meltas or plasmas to a spot where I need 'em instead of driving them up in a big "first blood" magnet.

Um... What do I mean when I say no opinion changes? Well it means are there any opinion changes.

I should have specified looks over rules, but in appearance. When I first saw the vehicle it looked like a stubby small car for 3 men. Now it looks a bit more like a vehicle and I have grown fond of it.

Deep striking is probably better competitively, but I have too much terrain on my boards to deep strike reliably where they will do damage. But its a light vehicle thats fast and carries troops. Something I have always wanted in my codex. Now I finally have it. Doesnt need to fill a unfilled role (all codices need unfilled roles) just needs to open up more oppurtunities to make a cool force your own.

Also the Chimera and Taurox are the same price I think.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 rabidguineapig wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
So no opinion changes on the Scions Taurox? I think its awesome personally. I might use them over Chimeras if I ever decide to go mechanized.

What do you mean no opinions, there are pages and pages of them in this thread!

Unless they've completely nerfed the Chimera, I see no reason to spend my money on the Taurox - it's $48 for a flimsier version of the Chimera, which is $37 (and which I already have coming out my ). Not a big fan of the way it looks, and doesn't really fill a need for my IG army. Not sure why I can't just deep strike some Scions with meltas or plasmas to a spot where I need 'em instead of driving them up in a big "first blood" magnet.

Um... What do I mean when I say no opinion changes? Well it means are there any opinion changes.

I should have specified looks over rules, but in appearance. When I first saw the vehicle it looked like a stubby small car for 3 men. Now it looks a bit more like a vehicle and I have grown fond of it.

Deep striking is probably better competitively, but I have too much terrain on my boards to deep strike reliably where they will do damage. But its a light vehicle thats fast and carries troops. Something I have always wanted in my codex. Now I finally have it. Doesnt need to fill a unfilled role (all codices need unfilled roles) just needs to open up more oppurtunities to make a cool force your own.

Also the Chimera and Taurox are the same price I think.

Apologies, read right past "changes" and just saw "are there any opinions."

Well I have found my plastic steel legion guardsmen/scions. Love em.

 Swastakowey wrote:
So no opinion changes on the Scions Taurox? I think its awesome personally. I might use them over Chimeras if I ever decide to go mechanized.

tbh, I kind of like them, they seem a more "believable" tank, which doesn't really fit with the rest of the 40k world . I really don't get the bolt on hull mounted Autocannons/hotshots, how would you aim those things? they also look strange like little thought as gone into them.

I don't think its as bad as people make out.

I am still not sold on the Taurox, and if I get one I'll likely add wheels to it but overall I am not sure if I want that model in my army.

The Scions are a different story. I want at least a full squad of 10 just for modeling purposes. Those are really lovely models even at $7 per figure. Thank goodness for online discounts!

 Swastakowey wrote:


Also the Chimera and Taurox are the same price I think.

Taurox is $48, the chimera is $37.25

I already have 50+ of the gas mask Inq stormtroopers, so no money from me GW!!!!

I agree with what has been said by the Taurox - big ugly and not serving a better purpose than standard Chimera.

And again, I don't have to buy them so I won't.

And what does Salvo actually do again?

Am I missing something with this?

I have a sudden urge to build a Miltarum Tempestus army just because I'm fascinated by airborne units.

I would have got Elysians already if I hadn't got a Cadian army, but this is different. I really like the Scion models and I reckon there's a lot of potential for a massive deepstrike-alpha strike army.

 SJM wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
So no opinion changes on the Scions Taurox? I think its awesome personally. I might use them over Chimeras if I ever decide to go mechanized.

tbh, I kind of like them, they seem a more "believable" tank, which doesn't really fit with the rest of the 40k world . I really don't get the bolt on hull mounted Autocannons/hotshots, how would you aim those things? they also look strange like little thought as gone into them.

I don't think its as bad as people make out.

I will add those side guns to the turret somehow. It looks like someone has rested guns on the fender. That and the helmets for the crew are the only things I dont like.

From what I can see, it looks tall enough for people to sit in (although the tracks could cause this illusion).


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 Vaktathi wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:


Also the Chimera and Taurox are the same price I think.

Taurox is $48, the chimera is $37.25

In NZD

Chimera is $64
Taurox is $65

So, using my (lack of) Photoshop skills, I've mocked up the colour scheme I'm going to use, which I reckon is much better than the studio scheme.

 Swastakowey wrote:

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Deep striking is probably better competitively, but I have too much terrain on my boards to deep strike reliably where they will do damage. But its a light vehicle thats fast and carries troops. Something I have always wanted in my codex. Now I finally have it. Doesnt need to fill a unfilled role (all codices need unfilled roles) just needs to open up more oppurtunities to make a cool force your own.

Also the Chimera and Taurox are the same price I think.

Keep in mind scions gained move through cover compared to old stormtroopers. So they can be deep struck in difficult terrain without taking dangerous terrain tests (if it is what worries you).

 Cerebrium wrote:
So, using my (lack of) Photoshop skills, I've mocked up the colour scheme I'm going to use, which I reckon is much better than the studio scheme.

That is nice

Pretty, I am going to paint them in CADPAT camo with some color for the armor, not sure which, I had some success with the flecktarn stormtroopers

 Cerebrium wrote:
So, using my (lack of) Photoshop skills, I've mocked up the colour scheme I'm going to use, which I reckon is much better than the studio scheme.

Badass, anyone care to photoshop some steel legion colours on there?

 Ravajaxe wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

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Deep striking is probably better competitively, but I have too much terrain on my boards to deep strike reliably where they will do damage. But its a light vehicle thats fast and carries troops. Something I have always wanted in my codex. Now I finally have it. Doesnt need to fill a unfilled role (all codices need unfilled roles) just needs to open up more oppurtunities to make a cool force your own.

Also the Chimera and Taurox are the same price I think.

Keep in mind scions gained move through cover compared to old stormtroopers. So they can be deep struck in difficult terrain without taking dangerous terrain tests (if it is what worries you).

Aaaah good point. Well this changes things up a bit.

im gonna paint mine up an bright impractical red and white colour scheme. Match my inquisition.

 Cerebrium wrote:
So, using my (lack of) Photoshop skills, I've mocked up the colour scheme I'm going to use, which I reckon is much better than the studio scheme.

The black and grey look much better, especially for the helmet

I guess you could save some money and buy the earlier design - lol

 Cerebrium wrote:
So, using my (lack of) Photoshop skills, I've mocked up the colour scheme I'm going to use, which I reckon is much better than the studio scheme.

Kinda nice, too bright a red however. With a trusted red ochre (or other slightly desaturated red) and some patches of contrasting color here and there, this will speak badass.