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If Stormtroopers aren't allowed one there is scant hope for the rabble. Its completely nonsensical.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 SJM wrote:
I guess you could save some money and buy the earlier design - lol

Funny I had that kit in my closet for years to turn into an IG truck. Finally threw it out a year or two ago.

Just for the record: The quads were all unarmoured despite the look.

I never thought Quad tractors ever looked armoured, too much glass. However I do wonder if someone in the War Office decided 'lets make it orky'. That kit would make excellent battlewagon conversion material.

Did no one notice this on the ITunes page?

The main thing we get from this is that Commissars start out at 25, and Lord Commissars start at 65.

I don't use iTunes, so I didn't notice it...but good to know.

Commissar Lord is 5 points cheaper. Neat.

The Quad tractor is a lovely model. Just a shame you don't get a 1/48th scale kit. 1/35th stuff usually just ends up a lil big.

Liking the new Scions, does anyone know if the digital codex would work on a Kindle Fire or is it iPad only.

Interesting find. Assuming this carries over to IG/AM, there are a few things that stick out.

No gun slinger plasma option. Was nice to sometimes have 2 BS5 precision plasma shots.

Also, if LC is now an upgrade, does this mean you can't take Comms in Platoons and they're both HQ, or that neither are HQ and you can only take them in platoons? Also, do either of them have Independent Character?

I shall be very annoyed if they can't be HQs, as my IG have been commissar-led from the start.

So the Tempestor Prime gets Initiative 4, but equivalent lyrics trained Commissars do not. I guess changing an entry would have been too much effort.

 Mr.Omega wrote:


Did no one notice this on the ITunes page?

The main thing we get from this is that Commissars start out at 25, and Lord Commissars start at 65.

So Commissars are 10pts cheaper and Lord Commissars are 5pts cheaper. Wonder if they've changed the rules for them at all.

 Paradigm wrote:
Interesting find. Assuming this carries over to IG/AM, there are a few things that stick out.

No gun slinger plasma option. Was nice to sometimes have 2 BS5 precision plasma shots.

Also, if LC is now an upgrade, does this mean you can't take Comms in Platoons and they're both HQ, or that neither are HQ and you can only take them in platoons? Also, do either of them have Independent Character?

I shall be very annoyed if they can't be HQs, as my IG have been commissar-led from the start.

The skull in the circle is the HQ FOC symbol. And given that this is the Stormtrooper book, commissars may only be HQ in there, while Codex IG/AM has them as HQ and platoon squad upgrades.

 Leprousy wrote:
Did I mention that they're not money grubbing bastards beholden to investors that don't care about the product?

We're talking about a company that sold the rights to one of their games, effectively killing it in the middle of a release cycle and leaving players with half-complete factions? That one?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:
But here in the real world, where there is government enforced monopolies over the distribution of copyrighted content and you have a de facto sole legitimate distributor on the marketplace, yeah, gouging exists. Stop being a Randroid and look at the actual government system we have rather than your textbook capitalist fantasy world, please. We live under a mixed economic system, and believe it or not, the government is a party to every legitimate transaction.

No, gouging is not relevant here. Gouging applies only to essential goods and services, and there is no plausible definition of "essential" that includes toys like GW produces. Gouging is selling $1 bottles of water for $100 in the aftermath of a natural disaster that shut down the entire city's water supply, not charging more than you want to pay for a toy.

As far as I'm aware, gouging simply refers to charging a price higher than is considered fair. The term doesn't have to refer to essential goods, but price gouging on essential goods is illegal in many places and often the thing people are referring to when they say "gouging".

You're making the mistake of approaching the issue from the perspective of a normal, rational human being for whom concepts like fairness and reciprocity have meaning. Randroids and other militant capitalists don't believe such things exist; there is only The Holy Market, and whatever price it will bear.

fething gak no one can get dual pistols now. Did they even consult their rulebook when they copy pasted point costs from the SM codex?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Mr.Omega wrote:


Did no one notice this on the ITunes page?

The main thing we get from this is that Commissars start out at 25, and Lord Commissars start at 65.

So Commissars are 10pts cheaper and Lord Commissars are 5pts cheaper. Wonder if they've changed the rules for them at all.

They certainly did, both are initiative 3 now. And I thought Commissars had 2 wounds. But they do get refractor fields.

Still don't get why Scions have ld 7.


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From the iBooks preview:

"Tempestus Scions
Shock assault troops without peer, Tempestus Scions are elite soldiers used to enact missions that the regular Imperial Guard cannot accomplish alone."

Good to know that Scions are better shock troops than Space Marines.

"their indoctrinated sense of obedience and duty overrides any instincts of personal safety...Tempestus Scions will stop at nothing to fulfil (sic.) their orders"

So I guess that means unless they fail their ld 7 test.

And typos? Seriously GW? This book costs $50.

 TheSilo wrote:

They certainly did, both are initiative 3 now. And I thought Commissars had 2 wounds. But they do get refractor fields.

Only Lord Commissars have Refractor Fields.
Basic Commissars at the moment can only be purchased as upgrades to Platoon Command Squads/Infantry Squads and they only have 1 wound.

Still don't get why Scions have ld 7.

Because Stormtroopers are LD7 now?
Sergeants are LD8--the Tempestors are LD8.
The Tempestor Prime(Junior Officer equivalent for the Tempest Platoon Command Squad) is LD9, same as a basic Commissar is at the moment.

 TheSilo wrote:


They certainly did, both are initiative 3 now. And I thought Commissars had 2 wounds. But they do get refractor fields.

Still don't get why Scions have ld 7.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
From the iBooks preview:

"Tempestus Scions
Shock assault troops without peer, Tempestus Scions are elite soldiers used to enact missions that the regular Imperial Guard cannot accomplish alone."

Good to know that Scions are better shock troops than Space Marines.

"their indoctrinated sense of obedience and duty overrides any instincts of personal safety...Tempestus Scions will stop at nothing to fulfil (sic.) their orders"

So I guess that means unless they fail their ld 7 test.

And typos? Seriously GW? This book costs $50.

Cause those rare and elite Space Wolves Grey Hunters with 300 years of battle experience, psycho indoctrination, Canis Helix, ATSKNF and LD8 simply can't be everywhere, right? Not to mention that they like to sing and dance with Eldar, while slaughtering Sisters of Battle, so they aren't exactly "reliable".

Why wouldn't the Guard try to train some elite guys instead?

 TheSilo wrote:

So Commissars are 10pts cheaper and Lord Commissars are 5pts cheaper. Wonder if they've changed the rules for them at all.

They certainly did, both are initiative 3 now. And I thought Commissars had 2 wounds. But they do get refractor fields.

Not in the current dex although they were 2 wounds IIRC and definitely were I4 two books ago. The "new" thing in that entry is that the commissar and lord are together where as before the commissar was an upgrade option in other units' entries like a line on the platoon page.

 TheSilo wrote:
From the iBooks preview:

"Tempestus Scions
Shock assault troops without peer, Tempestus Scions are elite soldiers used to enact missions that the regular Imperial Guard cannot accomplish alone."

Good to know that Scions are better shock troops than Space Marines.

Space Marines can't be everywhere at once, and they don't take orders from the Guard.

"their indoctrinated sense of obedience and duty overrides any instincts of personal safety...Tempestus Scions will stop at nothing to fulfil (sic.) their orders"

So I guess that means unless they fail their ld 7 test.

Well, with Clarion Vox-Network from a Platoon Command Squad they're LD9.

And typos? Seriously GW? This book costs $50.

The Dictionary wrote:fulfil or fulfill

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
Interesting find. Assuming this carries over to IG/AM, there are a few things that stick out.

No gun slinger plasma option. Was nice to sometimes have 2 BS5 precision plasma shots.

Also, if LC is now an upgrade, does this mean you can't take Comms in Platoons and they're both HQ, or that neither are HQ and you can only take them in platoons? Also, do either of them have Independent Character?

I shall be very annoyed if they can't be HQs, as my IG have been commissar-led from the start.

The skull in the circle is the HQ FOC symbol. And given that this is the Stormtrooper book, commissars may only be HQ in there, while Codex IG/AM has them as HQ and platoon squad upgrades.

Good to know they're still HQ (I don't like CCS). Although I hope they re still available in platoons as well.

Didn't notice the drop in init, that's kind-of annoying as I could usually rely on my LC taking out MEQ sergeants in challenges. Now they swing last, a power weapon could end up being painful (a maul would ID him if it got through)

The iBooks sample actually has like 20 pages with a lot of the basic fluff for those who are interested.

The Taurox looks Even worse in art.

And didn't they say at one point Chimera engines were in the side track areas?

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
The Taurox looks Even worse in art.

And didn't they say at one point Chimera engines were in the side track areas?

Yup. It's been since the beginning or so that the Chimera has two "independent engines" in the track assemblies.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
The Taurox looks Even worse in art.

And didn't they say at one point Chimera engines were in the side track areas?

Yup. It's been since the beginning or so that the Chimera has two "independent engines" in the track assemblies.

Lol, protected by the worst armor possible in the game.

 BrookM wrote:
Digital edition is now also on pre-order with some nice art previews:

Single-use, disposable bionics?
Single-use.
Disposable.
Bionics!?!?

"Doc, DOC! I just lost my arm!"

"Don't worry, let me install you a single-use, disposable replacement bionic arm!"

**Jams tree branch in the stump**

"Thanks Doc; I'm ready for action now!"

"For the EMPRAH!"

 Paradigm wrote:
Didn't notice the drop in init, that's kind-of annoying as I could usually rely on my LC taking out MEQ sergeants in challenges. Now they swing last, a power weapon could end up being painful (a maul would ID him if it got through)

Lord Commissars are I3 in the current Codex, so no drop.

*sigh* Still no plastic steel legion...

 Satan's Little Helper wrote:
*sigh* Still no plastic steel legion...

I'm with you . There will probably be supplements for days on all the different IG army's because GW knows that's what the people wants and will charge $50 for each one. The nerve

Inquisitor Jex wrote:
Single-use, disposable bionics?
Single-use.
Disposable.
Bionics!?!?

"Doc, DOC! I just lost my arm!"

"Don't worry, let me install you a single-use, disposable replacement bionic arm!"

**Jams tree branch in the stump**

"Thanks Doc; I'm ready for action now!"

"For the EMPRAH!"

That's so grimdark.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
The Taurox looks Even worse in art.

And didn't they say at one point Chimera engines were in the side track areas?

Yup. It's been since the beginning or so that the Chimera has two "independent engines" in the track assemblies.

The Chimera was based off the real world BMP... here is a pic of what it looks like inside...the "benches" in the back inside sides house the engines.

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Digital edition is now also on pre-order with some nice art previews:

Single-use, disposable bionics?
Single-use.
Disposable.
Bionics!?!?

"Doc, DOC! I just lost my arm!"

"Don't worry, let me install you a single-use, disposable replacement bionic arm!"

**Jams tree branch in the stump**

"Thanks Doc; I'm ready for action now!"

"For the EMPRAH!"

I think they mean it isn't a proper bionic arm (like one that would have been installed by a techpriest), but instead a temporary replacement arm that's meant to last until the wounded receives proper treatment.
It probably has limited run time or is weaker or something.

Yep. Pretty clear it's a limited-use field replacement. Like a bionic eye, or whatever. Probably not a whole arm, you'd struggle to fit that in there.

We're taking this too seriously.