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 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
The Taurox looks Even worse in art.

And didn't they say at one point Chimera engines were in the side track areas?

Yup. It's been since the beginning or so that the Chimera has two "independent engines" in the track assemblies.

The Chimera was based off the real world BMP... here is a pic of what it looks like inside...the "benches" in the back inside sides house the engines.

Snap! One point for GW. Always loved the BMP.
The Taurox is still a little off though.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Ir0njack wrote:
The thing that confused me is the "preorder" for the HWT. Price hike and spliting them into single packages because GW thinks we won't notice it then?

Of course. Why sell 3 for $30 when you can sell one for $15?

This way they can create a nice one-click bundle of 3 HWT to save their customers from having to put three of them in their cart sepererately. Oh, wait...

Valete,

JohnS

It's useful to be able to get one team again, like you used to. If you're unhappy about the price increase get the 3-man box. Which you can still get, and the price hasn't changed. But you know

Its basically a space saver tyre for limbs.

The new truck looked like it would get stuck literally everywhere.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Leprousy wrote:
Did I mention that they're not money grubbing bastards beholden to investors that don't care about the product?

We're talking about a company that sold the rights to one of their games, effectively killing it in the middle of a release cycle and leaving players with half-complete factions? That one?

What game was that? Is the Hobbit/LOTR finally dead?!

€38 for the Taurox?
I dont usually complain about GW prices - if you like it, buy it but for its stats this seems a littlre crazy imo.
Its basically a Rhino with a bit more firepower?
Am I missing something?

I think GW would have done better if they released this!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
... alongside the slightly more important one that the arc of fire, RAW, for the turret is directly ahead, as it cannot rotate left or right.

What makes you say that?

Because I slightly misinterpreted how it was connected. If the turret is supposed to pivot around the base of the pod, rather than the weapon, which in the light of day looks to be the case (I'd initially thought the pod was static and the gun was a separate item.)

It now looks more like the gun can traverse left, although that looks horribly vulnerable to getting snagged IRL and to enemy fire in universe, but if it try to traverse right, the rear of the gun looks like it will snarl up on the raised roof of the rear section. It might just have clearance, but given the rules states the arc is supposedly governed by how the gun moves on the model (I know most reasonable players won't enforce this, but we'd still need an idea of what arc the gun is supposed to have) it looks like it might be an issue, potentially.

 Ratius wrote:
€38 for the Taurox?
I dont usually complain about GW prices - if you like it, buy it but for its stats this seems a littlre crazy imo.
Its basically a Rhino with a bit more firepower?
Am I missing something?

It looks bigger than a Rhino and has diverse weapon options and interior detail. Being more expensive than a Razorback isn't crazy to me from a model perspective. From a points/$ perspective...

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
The Taurox looks Even worse in art.

And didn't they say at one point Chimera engines were in the side track areas?

Yup. It's been since the beginning or so that the Chimera has two "independent engines" in the track assemblies.

The Chimera was based off the real world BMP... here is a pic of what it looks like inside...the "benches" in the back inside sides house the engines.

Sorry, no.

The engine is on the front right side, next to the driver, just like it is in a Bradley. The enclosure in the back houses fuel and batteries.


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If you think that it's stupid to place those between the seats for the squad riding in the back, I hope you'll also notice the fuel tanks in the rear doors, the lack of turret screens separating the crew compartment from the turret, and the lack of screens to prevent the gunner from having his arm grabbed by the autoloader.

Welcome to Soviet engineering.

 azreal13 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
... alongside the slightly more important one that the arc of fire, RAW, for the turret is directly ahead, as it cannot rotate left or right.

What makes you say that?

Because I slightly misinterpreted how it was connected. If the turret is supposed to pivot around the base of the pod, rather than the weapon, which in the light of day looks to be the case (I'd initially thought the pod was static and the gun was a separate item.)

It now looks more like the gun can traverse left, although that looks horribly vulnerable to getting snagged IRL and to enemy fire in universe, but if it try to traverse right, the rear of the gun looks like it will snarl up on the raised roof of the rear section. It might just have clearance, but given the rules states the arc is supposedly governed by how the gun moves on the model (I know most reasonable players won't enforce this, but we'd still need an idea of what arc the gun is supposed to have) it looks like it might be an issue, potentially.

Yes, the BMP 1 & 2 had a right front engine....

However, The BMP-3 is powered by the UTD-29 diesel engine, developing 500 hp. Engine is mounted at the rear. This IFV has a hydropneumatic suspension, which can be adjusted to suit the type of ground being crossed. Vehicle is fully amphibious. Propulsion on water is provided by two waterjets.

http://www.military-today.com/apc/bmp_3.htm

I have a confession! I kind of like the Taurox, I also really like the Scions and Ogres they have this (world of warcraft stylized cartoon) look to them.

I went ahead and ordered 4 boxes of Scions (not from GW of course!) I will not be ordering a Taurox, until I see the new Chimera rules.

If possible I do plan on making a full Stormtrooper/Ogre army.

Ugh, I just noticed that the fender guns would also hit those pipes on the prime.

That's even worse than shooting past the doors; there's a rear entry so you can imagine the passengers exiting through a place that is not certain death.

There's no way though that those pipes can avoid the gun fire.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
I think GW would have done better if they released this!

It's missing the multilaser tip?
Other than that it looks alot better!
But the 11/10/10 is ultimately the deal breaker for me. Unless the Chimera gets too expensive (point's wise), they're staying.

 primalexile wrote:
I have a confession! I kind of like the Taurox.

Sounds like we need to start a 12 step program... TLA (Taurox Lovers Anonymous)....

First stage is buying 5 Tauroxes...tauroxi?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Ugh, I just noticed that the fender guns would also hit those pipes on the prime.

That's their stowed position....during firing they extend outward, then retract back when done firing! Think "James Bond" car weapons....

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Ugh, I just noticed that the fender guns would also hit those pipes on the prime.

That's even worse than shooting past the doors; there's a rear entry so you can imagine the passengers exiting through a place that is not certain death.

There's no way though that those pipes can avoid the gun fire.

How so?

TLA creed

1.We admitted we were powerless over the ugly appeal of the Taurox —that our lives had become unmanageable.
2.Came to believe that a power greater than ourselves, Games Workshop, could restore us to sanity.
3.Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of fellow Dakkanites and our gaming club
4.Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves and our GW 40k collection.
5.Admitted to fellow Dakkanites, to ourselves, and to our gaming group the exact nature of our wrong of liking the Taurox
6.Were entirely ready to have our fellow Dakkanites slam us for liking the Taurox
7.Humbly asked them to remove our shortcomings and pro Taurox posts
8.Made a list of all persons in our gaming group we had harmed or insulted in bringing a Taurox to a game
9.Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others (i.e. throwing the Taurox out a moving car window).
10.Continued to take personal inventory of our 40k army, and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it and sold the Taurox on ebay for 20% what it cost
11.Sought through a roll of 2d6 & a chart how to improve our conscious contact with our gaming group, hoping the Taurox mistake can be forgiven.
12.Having had a gamers awakening as the result of these steps, and NEVER EVER GET ANOTHER TAUROX for my army



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shade1313 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Ugh, I just noticed that the fender guns would also hit those pipes on the prime.

That's even worse than shooting past the doors; there's a rear entry so you can imagine the passengers exiting through a place that is not certain death.

There's no way though that those pipes can avoid the gun fire.

How so?

Just don't make any sudden turns while firing!

shade1313 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Ugh, I just noticed that the fender guns would also hit those pipes on the prime.

That's even worse than shooting past the doors; there's a rear entry so you can imagine the passengers exiting through a place that is not certain death.

There's no way though that those pipes can avoid the gun fire.

How so?

Huh, must be the perspective of the side view then.
That's ok I guess. It's still very close to dangerous, but not as bad as I thought it was.
The fact that there's a rear exit actually makes the fender guns more plausible, as then the soldiers have somewhere to go.
Still a silly design, but not as silly as people make it out to be.

I actually really like the comedy aspect of the rear access point being a circular hatch, because that is conducive to ten full grown, armed and armoured men disembarking in a hurry while under fire!

 azreal13 wrote:
I actually really like the comedy aspect of the rear access point being a circular hatch, because that is conducive to ten full grown, armed and armoured men disembarking in a hurry while under fire!

Well, that's silly. It should be a ramp, not a hatch :/

 azreal13 wrote:
I actually really like the comedy aspect of the rear access point being a circular hatch, because that is conducive to ten full grown, armed and armoured men disembarking in a hurry while under fire!

kind of like jumping through a flaming hoop. Especially while it's blowing up!

Remember there're Commissars in the army. If some cowards want to disembark (through the side doors) and try to flee into safety they get executed immediately.

 azreal13 wrote:
I actually really like the comedy aspect of the rear access point being a circular hatch, because that is conducive to ten full grown, armed and armoured men disembarking in a hurry while under fire!

reminds me of a septic tank truck!

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
I actually really like the comedy aspect of the rear access point being a circular hatch, because that is conducive to ten full grown, armed and armoured men disembarking in a hurry while under fire!

reminds me of a septic tank truck!

Or just a tank

Are Humans supposed to get in the above and feel safe? lol

 Ratius wrote:
Are Humans supposed to get in the above and feel safe? lol

It's the M113 APC. It came about thanks to the Vietnam War.

It's also what the Rhino basically is.


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 Dryaktylus wrote:
Remember there're Commissars in the army. If some cowards want to disembark (through the side doors) and try to flee into safety they get executed immediately.

Yeah, and the Commissars are as likely to break as a Scion within 18" of the Command Squad.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yeah, and the Commissars are as likely to break as a Scion within 18" of the Command Squad.

Commissars probably get some sort of morale buff, or just keep the current reroll rule.

Well, now having seen more pics of them and the rules and points in full, I like them more! One thing to be said, they make an excellent kill-team for games. So i have pre-ordered the scions and a taurox. Should be fun, lots of AP3 weapons, and a FAST tank. Never underestimate a fast vehicle, 18 inch move and 5+ cover due to jink can be very handy. I think they could well be seen across AM armies all over the place. I mean the interior detail is fantastic and the four tracks idea actually makes more sense, as they'll be able to go over more difficult terrain than lots of wheels. Just need to come up with a cool paint scheme.