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 krazynadechukr wrote:
I had to ignore that "meow" poster, ugh. Btw, I saw his link in profile and it redirects you to a porn site. Mods, anything we can do?

Hit the triangle and type your reason. A mod will handle it presently.

 JB wrote:


I foresee some arguments about which targets are actually in LOS by the TL autocannon. TFG is going to argue that targets on one side of the Taurox where the autocannon on the opposite side does not have LOS ...

The rounds are guided!

Please, no more "meow."

 MWHistorian wrote:
Please, no more "meow."

I agree.

again! why no feline gesture here?

Because it's spammy and unnecessary for a text medium.

I am not sure if this was posted yet -

"Tempestus Scions can be taken as part of an Astra Militarum force, but they can also be fielded as a complete army using the rules in Codex: Militarum Tempestus..."

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=13800114-gws

So scion codex is good if you want a scion army, but guard codex will have them as an entry for an elites choice!

Don't need 2 codexes afterall!

 Lone Cat wrote:
again! why no feline gesture here?

What Kan said.

And fix the link in your profile.

via a Reader on Faeit 212 wrote:
Got my hands on the new White Dwarf. Flipping through it now, I can confirm the previous reports of new orders and the Cadian Armoured Fist and Wyvern. Wyvern stats are:

AV 12 10 10, Open-Topped, Heavy Support slot and can be taken in 3s. They come with 2 Stormshard Cannons which as has been previously mentioned are TL, Heavy 2, Barrage, Ignores Cover and Shred at Str 4 AP 6 48 inch range and a Heavy Bolter that can be upgraded to Heavy Flamer.

The limited edition Astra Militarum Codex is cloth-bound and will be set at 2000 copies.

One thing that I have not seen mentioned is that all Astra Militarum detachments may now be upgraded to include up to 3 Primaris Psykers, Enginseers and Ministorum Priests.

So if the "suppressing fire" order is legit, is anyone else thinking that PBS with weaken resolve will be a fun combo with foot guard lists?

Heck, I'd take 2-3 PBS and a whole bunch of platoons just to troll people with pinning lasguns.

"Cloth-bound" AM codex?

PASS!

 krazynadechukr wrote:
I am not sure if this was posted yet -

"Tempestus Scions can be taken as part of an Astra Militarum force, but they can also be fielded as a complete army using the rules in Codex: Militarum Tempestus..."

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=13800114-gws

So scion codex is good if you want a scion army, but guard codex will have them as an entry for an elites choice!

Don't need 2 codexes afterall!

Allow me to pick up my jaw off the floor, for this news is a complete shock


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 pretre wrote:

via a Reader on Faeit 212 wrote:Wyvern stats are:

AV 12 10 10, Open-Topped, Heavy Support slot and can be taken in 3s. They come with 2 Stormshard Cannons which as has been previously mentioned are TL, Heavy 2, Barrage, Ignores Cover and Shred at Str 4 AP 6 48 inch range and a Heavy Bolter that can be upgraded to Heavy Flamer.

The lack of commitment on whether it's large or small blast there is quite dubious.

^^^ Agreed.

Glad I pre-ordered the ST one then.

And I just like the Creed model, fat stumpy Patton. He can just be my HQ, I'm good with.

Haven't seen the actual options for ST codex yet, so no idea. And if he gets an upgrade in the IG book, then all the better.

 pretre wrote:

via a Reader on Faeit 212 wrote:
Got my hands on the new White Dwarf. Flipping through it now, I can confirm the previous reports of new orders and the Cadian Armoured Fist and Wyvern. Wyvern stats are:

AV 12 10 10, Open-Topped, Heavy Support slot and can be taken in 3s. They come with 2 Stormshard Cannons which as has been previously mentioned are TL, Heavy 2, Barrage, Ignores Cover and Shred at Str 4 AP 6 48 inch range and a Heavy Bolter that can be upgraded to Heavy Flamer.

The limited edition Astra Militarum Codex is cloth-bound and will be set at 2000 copies.

One thing that I have not seen mentioned is that all Astra Militarum detachments may now be upgraded to include up to 3 Primaris Psykers, Enginseers and Ministorum Priests.

As I hoped, the Wyrvn fires FOUR SHOTS A PIECE. That is, if I am reading it right and it has two guns with those stats. For cheaper than a griffin it might be a nice suppression weapon.

And it looks like the Primaris psyker is no longer an HQ choice, but is now an "auxiliary" HQ. So long really cheap mandatory HQ, you will be missed.

Here is hoping that priests get the same rules they have in SoB and Inquisition books.

 pretre wrote:

via a Reader on Faeit 212 wrote:
One thing that I have not seen mentioned is that all Astra Militarum detachments may now be upgraded to include up to 3 Primaris Psykers, Enginseers and Ministorum Priests.

This is pretty cool. I expect Primaris Psykers will get a significant points drop (if a SM libby is 65, they should be 40 at most), and assuming priests are identical to Inq/SOB ones, then the re-rolling wounds or saves on blobs could be awesome. Hope enginseers get some cool stuff as well, but to be honest, I'd take Primaris getting cheaper an Inq-style priests and be happy.

So the Wyvern is lobbing 4 small blasts a turn. So you can get a lot of blasts for pretty cheap. Barrage is still pinning right? It sounds neat but I'll probably stick with the colossus.

Pity that the Primaris is no longer a proper HQ choice, the chap, while frail and a joke to that witch Huron, was always a joy to play.

 BrookM wrote:
Pity that the Primaris is no longer a proper HQ choice, the chap, while frail and a joke to that witch Huron, was always a joy to play.

As much fun as it was to have IG led by a counts-as inquisitor, it was kind of silly to have an IG detachment led by a PP.

Count-as Inquisitor? The guy had access to nothing but psychic powers, I wouldn't go so far as likening him to a Throne againt.

 BrookM wrote:
Count-as Inquisitor? The guy had access to nothing but psychic powers, I wouldn't go so far as likening him to a Throne againt.

I used what I could.

 BrookM wrote:
Pity that the Primaris is no longer a proper HQ choice, the chap, while frail and a joke to that witch Huron, was always a joy to play.

I think my Primaris will be seeing a lot more play, now. Assuming they're cheaper (I think that's a given) I can easily fit one in alongside my Lord Commissar, whereas before it was usually an either-or situation. In 1500+ games, I think I'll go for the trinity of Primaris, Lord Commissar and Priest, each in a blob.

The Wyvern just went from "god awful bad" to "still bad, but hilarious to watch".

if the Hydra is any good, I could see myself having one and running a Wyvern for gaks and giggles occasionally. I have a feeling that if it does find a niche, it would be in low points games, maybe a 1,000 tops. Even there though, if other IG tanks stay the same price, it will face a lot of competition.

Also, if we get SoB priests and those orders that are rumored, it could make infantry IG a lot more interesting to run. I highly doubt we would be crushing tournies, but it would at least be more viable.

 pretre wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Count-as Inquisitor? The guy had access to nothing but psychic powers, I wouldn't go so far as likening him to a Throne againt.

I used what I could.

Ahh, gotcha guv!


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 Paradigm wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Pity that the Primaris is no longer a proper HQ choice, the chap, while frail and a joke to that witch Huron, was always a joy to play.

I think my Primaris will be seeing a lot more play, now. Assuming they're cheaper (I think that's a given) I can easily fit one in alongside my Lord Commissar, whereas before it was usually an either-or situation. In 1500+ games, I think I'll go for the trinity of Primaris, Lord Commissar and Priest, each in a blob.

We can only hope so, they were cheap, but could always go for cheaper, seeing as he wasn't exactly all that much to write home about.

 Paradigm wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Pity that the Primaris is no longer a proper HQ choice, the chap, while frail and a joke to that witch Huron, was always a joy to play.

I think my Primaris will be seeing a lot more play, now. Assuming they're cheaper (I think that's a given) I can easily fit one in alongside my Lord Commissar, whereas before it was usually an either-or situation. In 1500+ games, I think I'll go for the trinity of Primaris, Lord Commissar and Priest, each in a blob.

I agree, if he drops in points, I may very well have a character in each of my chimeras (Priests w/ evisorators in melta vets, Psykers in plasma vets).

Maybe I'm alone here, but if the wyvern is really those stats and 65pts, it seems very good. I acknowledge that in some peoples' local scenes, where maybe there are few light infantry and many vehicles it might be a moot point. But 4 blasts, with rerolls on hits and wounds, is a very reliable way to force saves. S4 shred is not as good as S6 against T4-5, but against T3 it is even better. And look how good thunderfire cannons are, although they are much tougher (but more expensive!) And ignore cover is a big rule even on an AP6 weapon - lots of units and armies will be taking a cover save that is better than armour, especially, say, units crouching on objectives in area terrain.

Maybe it won't be the ruling spam unit of the new book, but it looks promising. Certainly it will make mortar squads look even sillier, unless they get changed somehow.

You know, I don't hate the rumored Wyvern rules. 4 TL, small, shredding, cover denying blasts a turn, even at S4, is going to cause casualties. Assuming an average of 1 hit per blast, it will be pretty decent against squishy support or minimal scoring troops. Anything bunched up will take a while lot of damage with that many templates. The high accuracy will also be good for barrage sniping shenanigans.

I don't mean to sound like I think it's great. Most of what it does can also be done by Griffon. I think that a 65 point model for 50$ is going to make it tough to stomach, though, and crummy barrage rules will make it take 20 minutes to resolve the shooting of a full squadron.

4 str4 ap6 small blasts is a lot better than what we saw before, but it's no meta-changer for the Guard codex. The fact that it's in the heavy support slot at all ensures it'll never see the table outside of beer 'n pretzel games.

Considering 3 mortars are like 60 points (and do nothing nearly as special) I think the new vehicle isnt too bad really.

It would be great if it were, say, in the Elites section, or could be taken as an upgrade for infantry squads (like the platforms for Eldar Guardians).

Using mortars as a baselne isn't really sound, since they're almost unanimously considered one of the worst weapons in the Guard codex.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
It would be great if it were, say, in the Elites section, or could be taken as an upgrade for infantry squads (like the platforms for Eldar Guardians).

Using mortars as a baselne isn't really sound, since they're almost unanimously considered one of the worst weapons in the Guard codex.

Beat me to it was just about say that.... Unless something changes the elite section will still be lacking,,,, Would have been a great place for it.