IG/Astra Militarum Rumours for April (first post updated 12th April)

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**AllSeeingSkink**

It's funny people thought the Sentinel had Ld1 when an english version of the armoured sentinel is pictured just above that clearly showing the stats go I/A/HP of 3/1/2.

**Rostere**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
It's funny people thought the Sentinel had Ld1 when an english version of the armoured sentinel is pictured just above that clearly showing the stats go I/A/HP of 3/1/2.

That is not the interesting point, the thing which caught people's attention was the misprint.

**AllSeeingSkink**

Rostere wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
It's funny people thought the Sentinel had Ld1 when an english version of the armoured sentinel is pictured just above that clearly showing the stats go I/A/HP of 3/1/2.

That is not the interesting point, the thing which caught people's attention was the misprint.

Oh ok, I see now, the titles of the stats appear to be incorrect.

**Lone Cat**

Ravajaxe wrote:
Bla_Ze wrote:
BrassScorpion wrote:
The Taurox looks like a fun model with lots of great detail, but the tracks are more than a little odd looking. If you're going to have four separate track sections for my taste this model has a better aesthetic.

Onslaught Miniatures
September 12, 2013
WIP render of the upcoming Juno APC for the Sisterhood:

Why replace fail with fail? The suspension system on the Taurox are badly designed and so is your scifi model.

The suspension is not worse than on a Chimera or Leman Russ. Flank armoured plates should never go down to the ground level, to let some free space for the wheels to absorb irregularities of the ground.
At least on "Juno APC", there is some room for the 4 tracks blocks to move upwards.

It does not really matters anyway, because this tank will not be available to play for WH40k anytime soon : it's an Epic 6mm scale miniature.

Place the front turret on the top and this vehicle can do the role of Taurox 'armored car'
Otherwise I can't figure out which roles of Imperial vehicle does it fills?

**timetowaste85**

So, for a guy who only pops in and out, what has actually been removed? I saw that Marbo is rumored to be gone, which makes this book an absolute flop, in my eyes, as I think he was pretty much the coolest aspect of the IG book. Which tanks are gone? Just a quick list is fine. I'll facepalm after.

**Rostere**

timetowaste85 wrote:
So, for a guy who only pops in and out, what has actually been removed? I saw that Marbo is rumored to be gone, which makes this book an absolute flop, in my eyes, as I think he was pretty much the coolest aspect of the IG book. Which tanks are gone? Just a quick list is fine. I'll facepalm after.

All FW artillery.

**Co'tor Shas**

It's only really removed if they are removed from the FW books, isn't it?

**Vaktathi**

timetowaste85 wrote:
So, for a guy who only pops in and out, what has actually been removed? I saw that Marbo is rumored to be gone, which makes this book an absolute flop, in my eyes, as I think he was pretty much the coolest aspect of the IG book. Which tanks are gone? Just a quick list is fine. I'll facepalm after.

Medusa, Collossus, and Griffin, along with Bastonne, Harker, Marbo, and Chenkov.

Co'tor Shas wrote:
It's only really removed if they are removed from the FW books, isn't it?

Depends entirely on your playgroup. Some playgroups still don't like FW for whatever reason. While many events now do allow FW, most limit it to some extent and huge numbers of events still don't allow FW at all.

**Insurgency Walker**

schadenfreude wrote:

*snip*

With a priest making power axe attacks 125% more deadly and guardsmen 237.5% more deadly we should stop the QQ about a 5 point increase in power weapons.

So ah....maybe they should have raised the cost for the priest?
That is like raising the cost of a spacemarine because you could take a chaplain.

Truth is whenever points increase people get cranky because most the time it comes across as arbitrary at best, or perceived as a tool to increase sales of a given item.

Was not that long ago people were crying foul over a perceived point increase for LRBT and the "new" WD IG teaser talked about the lowered point cost of chimera!

**Rostere**

Co'tor Shas wrote:
It's only really removed if they are removed from the FW books, isn't it?

So most sane people think, but it's still a source of irritation.

**BrookM**

Vaktathi wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:
So, for a guy who only pops in and out, what has actually been removed? I saw that Marbo is rumored to be gone, which makes this book an absolute flop, in my eyes, as I think he was pretty much the coolest aspect of the IG book. Which tanks are gone? Just a quick list is fine. I'll facepalm after.
Medusa, Collossus, and Griffin, along with Bastonne, Harker, Marbo, and Chenkov.

Harker is also gone?

**CthuluIsSpy**

Insurgency Walker wrote:
schadenfreude wrote:

*snip*

With a priest making power axe attacks 125% more deadly and guardsmen 237.5% more deadly we should stop the QQ about a 5 point increase in power weapons.

So ah....maybe they should have raised the cost for the priest?
That is like raising the cost of a spacemarine because you could take a chaplain.

Truth is whenever points increase people get cranky because most the time it comes across as arbitrary at best, or perceived as a tool to increase sales of a given item.

Was not that long ago people were crying foul over a perceived point increase for LRBT and the "new" WD IG teaser talked about the lowered point cost of chimera!

But then if you don't take the power weapons you are wasting the extra points.
What makes the priest deadly is when there are powered weapons involved. Other wise...not so much.

**Vaktathi**

BrookM wrote:
Vaktathi wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:
So, for a guy who only pops in and out, what has actually been removed? I saw that Marbo is rumored to be gone, which makes this book an absolute flop, in my eyes, as I think he was pretty much the coolest aspect of the IG book. Which tanks are gone? Just a quick list is fine. I'll facepalm after.
Medusa, Collossus, and Griffin, along with Bastonne, Harker, Marbo, and Chenkov.
Harker is also gone?

I could be wrong, I typed that mainly from memory.

**Happygrunt**

BrookM wrote:
Vaktathi wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:
So, for a guy who only pops in and out, what has actually been removed? I saw that Marbo is rumored to be gone, which makes this book an absolute flop, in my eyes, as I think he was pretty much the coolest aspect of the IG book. Which tanks are gone? Just a quick list is fine. I'll facepalm after.
Medusa, Collossus, and Griffin, along with Bastonne, Harker, Marbo, and Chenkov.
Harker is also gone?

I doubt he is, otherwise they have one catachan and then only cadian characters. I am betting Harker and Straken are still in (especially because the Harker model is shown in the IG book).

Wolf wrote:Just an fyi for you guys my preorder of the codx has just been shipped today

What? Mine says it is still being processed.

**timetowaste85**

Yeah...I considered using Mantic Corporation Marines as IG...but seriously, Marbo was always gonna be part of that. Blah. I'll wait to hear what you guys all think before I touch that.

**Smitty**

BrookM wrote:
Vaktathi wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:
So, for a guy who only pops in and out, what has actually been removed? I saw that Marbo is rumored to be gone, which makes this book an absolute flop, in my eyes, as I think he was pretty much the coolest aspect of the IG book. Which tanks are gone? Just a quick list is fine. I'll facepalm after.
Medusa, Collossus, and Griffin, along with Bastonne, Harker, Marbo, and Chenkov.
Harker is also gone?

No, he's not gone. Straken also appears to be in it still.

**Insurgency Walker**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Insurgency Walker wrote:
schadenfreude wrote:

*snip*

With a priest making power axe attacks 125% more deadly and guardsmen 237.5% more deadly we should stop the QQ about a 5 point increase in power weapons.

So ah....maybe they should have raised the cost for the priest?
That is like raising the cost of a spacemarine because you could take a chaplain.

Truth is whenever points increase people get cranky because most the time it comes across as arbitrary at best, or perceived as a tool to increase sales of a given item.

Was not that long ago people were crying foul over a perceived point increase for LRBT and the "new" WD IG teaser talked about the lowered point cost of chimera!

But then if you don't take the power weapons you are wasting the extra points.
What makes the priest deadly is when there are powered weapons involved. Other wise...not so much.

Ok, watch this logic.
If you don't take the priest you are wasting the extra points.

I'm always disappointed by monobuild rules.

Now, what I really want to know is if enginseers went back to being independent characters

**Barksdale**

I don't know if this means anything at all, but Harker is in the HQ section of the website (Belgian webstore). As is Straken, and Al Rahem for that matter.

**Mysterious Pants**

Barksdale wrote:
I don't know if this means anything at all, but Harker is in the HQ section of the website (Belgian webstore). As is Straken, and Al Rahem for that matter.

Please, please let Al Rahem stay. I hope they don't give him the axe like they did to Marbo.

**timetowaste85**

Is Marbo a guarantee to be gone? Or is it only speculation still?

**AllSeeingSkink**

Barksdale wrote:
I don't know if this means anything at all, but Harker is in the HQ section of the website (Belgian webstore). As is Straken, and Al Rahem for that matter.

The GW store is all over the place, I wouldn't place any trust in things being in/out of stock as meaning something significant.

**Mysterious Pants**

timetowaste85 wrote:
Is Marbo a guarantee to be gone? Or is it only speculation still?

Well really, it's a rumor until someone actually gets their hands on the codex.

But I've heard it from multiple sources, Marbo is gone. Be prepared to lose him.

**schadenfreude**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Insurgency Walker wrote:
schadenfreude wrote:

*snip*

With a priest making power axe attacks 125% more deadly and guardsmen 237.5% more deadly we should stop the QQ about a 5 point increase in power weapons.

So ah....maybe they should have raised the cost for the priest?
That is like raising the cost of a spacemarine because you could take a chaplain.

Truth is whenever points increase people get cranky because most the time it comes across as arbitrary at best, or perceived as a tool to increase sales of a given item.

Was not that long ago people were crying foul over a perceived point increase for LRBT and the "new" WD IG teaser talked about the lowered point cost of chimera!

But then if you don't take the power weapons you are wasting the extra points.
What makes the priest deadly is when there are powered weapons involved. Other wise...not so much.

The priest actually improves regular guardsmen more than power weapons, and can really make 3 point conscripts deadly in cc. Plush a 2nd priest can give rerolls to armor saves taking a 1/3 chance to 5/9. The unit also gains fearless. They are a lot squishier than chaplains, but are almost 1/4 the price and give better buffs to their unit.

**CthuluIsSpy**

schadenfreude wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Insurgency Walker wrote:
schadenfreude wrote:

*snip*

With a priest making power axe attacks 125% more deadly and guardsmen 237.5% more deadly we should stop the QQ about a 5 point increase in power weapons.

So ah....maybe they should have raised the cost for the priest?
That is like raising the cost of a spacemarine because you could take a chaplain.

Truth is whenever points increase people get cranky because most the time it comes across as arbitrary at best, or perceived as a tool to increase sales of a given item.

Was not that long ago people were crying foul over a perceived point increase for LRBT and the "new" WD IG teaser talked about the lowered point cost of chimera!

But then if you don't take the power weapons you are wasting the extra points.
What makes the priest deadly is when there are powered weapons involved. Other wise...not so much.

The priest actually improves regular guardsmen more than power weapons, and can really make 3 point conscripts deadly in cc. Plush a 2nd priest can give rerolls to armor saves taking a 1/3 chance to 5/9. The unit also gains fearless. They are a lot squishier than chaplains, but are almost 1/4 the price and give better buffs to their unit.

Wait, what? That's pretty nuts. How many priests can you take, and does it only affect armor?

**Trickstick**

So which russ is getting the super cheap price reduction? If it is the standard lrbt then I can see it being useful and it would compensate for the ordnance+heavy rule. Part of me thinks the exterminator though, as it is often seen as a weak weapon.

Demolishers with a point reduction could be evil. In fact, whichever tank is the cheap one will make good bodyguards for the HQ tank. After playing ABG, an AV14 warlord is not nearly as durable as it seems. A couple of cheap tanks in a squad will go an awful long way to denying slay the warlord.

**Kroothawk**

New pics from the Codex leaked:
http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.de/
E.g.:

Sir Arun wrote:
So let me get this straight:

1) Chenkov is gone
2) Al Rahem is gone
3) Bastonne is gone
4) Harker is gone
5) Sly Marbo is gone
6) The Griffon is gone
7) The awesome Colossus is gone
8) The Medusa is gone
9) The Penal Legion is gone
10) The Psyker Battle squad has been turned from a pretty cool, useful unit into a complete mess of a unit that is utterly unpredictable

...and we should buy a codex that also has a silly name on top of all this? Tell me IG players arent getting shafted right now. Next codex we could remove the Whirlwind for SM players and see how they react.

Currently Codices are all about reducing options to support the massive wave of (now or soon) discontinued metal and Finecast models, only slightly countered by the release of one or two new units noone needs.
And do you really think that all 50 Space Marine HQ models will keep rules in the next Codex?

**Insurgency Walker**

Mysterious Pants wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
I don't know if this means anything at all, but Harker is in the HQ section of the website (Belgian webstore). As is Straken, and Al Rahem for that matter.

Please, please let Al Rahem stay. I hope they don't give him the axe like they did to Marbo.

Always been a fan but he was in the web store before the cool rules of 5th Ed codex and could remain without them to be used as a warlord without special character rules. Or maybe he is even better! I always thought he took a demotion as a platoon leader

**Barksdale**

Mysterious Pants wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
I don't know if this means anything at all, but Harker is in the HQ section of the website (Belgian webstore). As is Straken, and Al Rahem for that matter.

Please, please let Al Rahem stay. I hope they don't give him the axe like they did to Marbo.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
I don't know if this means anything at all, but Harker is in the HQ section of the website (Belgian webstore). As is Straken, and Al Rahem for that matter.
The GW store is all over the place, I wouldn't place any trust in things being in/out of stock as meaning something significant.

Right, it could just be that they had models leftover and didn't know where to put them while they wait for the stock to run down. So they just stuck them in the HQ section. Personally, I'm waiting for the Harker Dataslate. I'm hoping Marbo gets one as well.

**Mysterious Pants**

Hey, you! Any word on tech-priests?

I've used them because they looked amazing, but they never seem to be worth their points. Do they get a point reduction? More options? Anything- maybe gun servitors cost less?

**Insurgency Walker**

schadenfreude wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Insurgency Walker wrote:
schadenfreude wrote:

*snip*

With a priest making power axe attacks 125% more deadly and guardsmen 237.5% more deadly we should stop the QQ about a 5 point increase in power weapons.

So ah....maybe they should have raised the cost for the priest?
That is like raising the cost of a spacemarine because you could take a chaplain.

Truth is whenever points increase people get cranky because most the time it comes across as arbitrary at best, or perceived as a tool to increase sales of a given item.

Was not that long ago people were crying foul over a perceived point increase for LRBT and the "new" WD IG teaser talked about the lowered point cost of chimera!

But then if you don't take the power weapons you are wasting the extra points.
What makes the priest deadly is when there are powered weapons involved. Other wise...not so much.

The priest actually improves regular guardsmen more than power weapons, and can really make 3 point conscripts deadly in cc. Plush a 2nd priest can give rerolls to armor saves taking a 1/3 chance to 5/9. The unit also gains fearless. They are a lot squishier than chaplains, but are almost 1/4 the price and give better buffs to their unit.

Yes, priests are looking good! Be nice if you could stick one on a horse.

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Mysterious Pants wrote:
Hey, you! Any word on tech-priests?

I've used them because they looked amazing, but they never seem to be worth their points. Do they get a point reduction? More options? Anything- maybe gun servitors cost less?

Once upon a time they were independent characters which rocked if you didn't want to field servitors with them.