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 Tomb King wrote:
Every dex has been getting a big monster or machine. A new toy if you will. Where is the IG love in that regard? A new flyer and/or big tank would of been nice.

Nah, GW gave the Hydra/Wyvern and the oh so unloveable weak armored taurox, chimera is still a better ride

Rostere wrote:
http://astropate.blogspot.se/2014/04/nuova-astra-militarum-foto-del-codex-e.html#more

So did I read it right that weapon upgrades for Heavy Weapon Squads (not teams in regular Veteran and Infantry Squads) no longer cost anything?

What, where?

Thank Chenkov will be in the next dataslate? I was also going to ask "But what if i field a griffin etc, what will my shop say?" well sometimes the bloke is okay but i've had fill in guys stop me talking about dawn of war...let alone if anyone metioned squats...

I'm a bit worried one day my Valhallans or tanith will end up being none legal :s.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Rostere wrote:
http://astropate.blogspot.se/2014/04/nuova-astra-militarum-foto-del-codex-e.html#more

So did I read it right that weapon upgrades for Heavy Weapon Squads (not teams in regular Veteran and Infantry Squads) no longer cost anything?

What, where?

That is also what I read, through an automatic translation to french (not google).
In the codex it could be written like : HWS : pick any 3 heavy weapons in the armoury. Period. And if the prices are absent in troop selection because they are written in the armoury, the guy may have thought they are free.

Or, heavy weapon type selection is really gratis within the HWS.
So it's either huge, or a huge mistake.

One advantage they Wyvern has over it's (now) Forgeworld brothers is that it fires Heavy weapons instead of Ordnance. This means you can add the Heavy Bolter against targets in LoS. It may be almost worth adding a heavy stubber, also, since it seems like they're 5 points now. 70 points gets you 4 twin-linked small barrage blasts and 6 36" shots.

Just trying to make the best out of things.

cac on anything in particular except that the bllgryns can equip a mace and shield enhanced the brute that gives a shot to invulne 5 +

good question then the shield plate: if a model is in base contact with one or more models in the same unit with a shield plate adds +1 to their armor, also if a friend or enemy target is partially obscured from view firer receives a +1 on cover save

-L'astropate comments

So, from the looks of it Bullgryns have a 5+ invuln, 3+ armour save if in base to base contact with each other, providing a 4+ cover to any models behind them.

Given that with T5 instant death is going to fairly rare, and they're good at getting the infantry within doubletap FRFSRF with minimum casualties, they don't appear so crummy.

So let me get this straight:

1) Chenkov is gone
2) Al Rahem is gone
3) Mogul Kamir is gone
4) Bastonne is gone
5) Harker is gone
6) Sly Marbo is gone
7) The Griffon is gone
8) The awesome Colossus is gone
9) The Medusa is gone
10) The Penal Legion is gone
11) The Psyker Battle squad has been turned from a pretty cool, useful unit into a complete mess of a unit that is utterly unpredictable
12) Ogryns didnt get fixed
13) Rough Riders barely got fixed but in 6th's meta are still too fragile to ever be worth taking (in comparison, look at the ridiculous points reduction bikes and assault marines received in the marine dexes)
14) We did not get the Baneblade as a super heavy even though Imperial Knights as super heavy walkers with D strength weapons are out and about.

...and we should buy a codex that also has a silly name on top of all this? Tell me IG players arent getting shafted right now. Next codex we could remove the Whirlwind for SM players and see how they react.

 Sir Arun wrote:
So let me get this straight:

1) Chenkov is gone
2) Al Rahem is gone
3) Bastonne is gone
4) Harker is gone
5) Sly Marbo is gone
6) The Griffon is gone
7) The awesome Colossus is gone
8) The Medusa is gone
9) The Penal Legion is gone
10) The Psyker Battle squad has been turned from a pretty cool, useful unit into an unpredictable mess of a unit that is utterly unpredictable

...and we should buy a codex that also has a silly name on top of all this?

Well, the PBS could turn out just fine, we just don't know much about it at this time, so I'd probably wait and see.

The good news is that we have one of the best warlord tables, a solid set of orders, HQ tank commanders/Pask and Stormtrooper platoons.

But yeah, the cuts are pretty awful. I want to be excited for this codex because of the things I listed above, but I just can't with all those cuts.

I don't see what the problem is... Forgeworld and gw are the same company. If yo already have a colossus or Medusa whats the problem? Forgeworld has rules for it.

rothrich wrote:
I don't see what the problem is... Forgeworld and gw are the same company. If yo already have a colossus or Medusa whats the problem? Forgeworld has rules for it.

Well call me antiquated, but I'm the kind of player who likes to have all the stuff he can field in one book. If I have to resort to FW rules to be able to field it, I start asking myself why I'm not including a CRASSUS ARMORED ASSAULT TRANSPORT and the plenty of other non-superheavy toys IG have in that area as well, either. To me there is still a distinction between FW ruleset and GW codexes, but with all the GW dataslates being thrown at you, I guess those lines are getting blurred.

rothrich wrote:
I don't see what the problem is... Forgeworld and gw are the same company. If yo already have a colossus or Medusa whats the problem? Forgeworld has rules for it.

Right, most of us understand that we can use FW.

There are two problems to this. The first is that it requires another book of no small cost, though I admit its worth it anyways. The second is that people can refuse a game on principle of being FW. Now, they could refuse a game because your army is pink, or its the third Tuesday and a crescent moon, but its still another hoop to jump through, however large or small depending on your area/group.

It also has people irritated because there's no real reason for them to have been cut in the first place.

But yes, we're all aware FW exists and the rules are there for those units. Doesn't make it less irritating, stupid and a poor excuse for codex design.

There's also the matter of tournaments and events, many/most of which either limit or completely ban FW (though it's been getting better), even if pickup games may not be an issue.

At this point people who refuse to play against forgeworld, data slates strong hold and escalation are going to have a pretty hard time finding a game. I mean everyone wants a custom army and GW have now made it to where you can customize your army. There are almost no armies out there that don't have rules for them any more. Why people are thinking that this is such a bad thing I will never know. Unless it is mostly tournament players that are so upset buy this?

 Sir Arun wrote:
So let me get this straight:

1) Chenkov is gone
2) Al Rahem is gone
3) Bastonne is gone
4) Harker is gone
5) Sly Marbo is gone
6) The Griffon is gone
7) The awesome Colossus is gone
8) The Medusa is gone
9) The Penal Legion is gone
10) The Psyker Battle squad has been turned from a pretty cool, useful unit into a complete mess of a unit that is utterly unpredictable

...and we should buy a codex that also has a silly name on top of all this? Tell me IG players arent getting shafted right now. Next codex we could remove the Whirlwind for SM players and see how they react.

At the very least, we're getting Harker and Marbo back in the Catachan expansion.
I don't like the idea of these expansions, but it gives us a little hope for improvement.

 Vaktathi wrote:
There's also the matter of tournaments and events, many/most of which either limit or completely ban FW (though it's been getting better), even if pickup games may not be an issue.

OK so it is tournament players that are mostly upset by this. In this case I think that the tournament scene really should rethink GW games altogether as they are really not set up for tournaments.

 Sir Arun wrote:
So let me get this straight:

1) Chenkov is gone
2) Al Rahem is gone
3) Bastonne is gone
4) Harker is gone
5) Sly Marbo is gone
6) The Griffon is gone
7) The awesome Colossus is gone
8) The Medusa is gone
9) The Penal Legion is gone
10) The Psyker Battle squad has been turned from a pretty cool, useful unit into a complete mess of a unit that is utterly unpredictable

...and we should buy a codex that also has a silly name on top of all this? Tell me IG players arent getting shafted right now. Next codex we could remove the Whirlwind for SM players and see how they react.

Are any of those items truly core to the IG/AM, though? Or core to most people's armies? As others have said, GW doesn't really see the artillery as "gone" because of rules and kit availability from FW.

Honestly, I think this release follows the same general patterns as every other 6th edition release.

1) Focus on moving as much to plastic as possible... (desire to be rid of metal, Finecast, etc. within the next few years)
2) ...but only a limited number of new plastic kits (production limitations, shelf space, SKU control)
3) New plastic kits skewed more toward brand new units in the codex (attractive to both gamer$ and collector$)
4) Elimination of units without kits from codex (the Chapterhouse effect)
5) Codex is more of a refinement of the previous version than an overhaul

Which isn't saying that people have to like it. I'm just not sure why people are surprised by some of these things with every single 6th edition release. People have to stop listening to and getting their hopes up based on phony rumors being concocted to drive blog readership.

 Sidstyler wrote:

Also, I just noticed that the Militarum Tempustus codex is "no longer available" on the website. So...was that a first for GW, a limited edition army, or did they just run out of stock?

Looks like only the Itunes version is available. So yes, it was a limited edition army.

THAT is a major screw up there GW.

So did the vendetta get a nerf?

Tagony wrote:
So did the vendetta get a nerf?

It got an expected points increase (Some say too much of one) to 170 points. It also lost it's built-in searchlight, and lastly it's transport capacity was halved, down to 6 models from 12.

It still functions the same as it does, just isn't as easy to spam on the tabletop. I like the fact that it isn't easy to flood the tabletop with them, as they were drastically undercosted for their effectiveness. They're in line now I think, though I would have thought 160 points would have been a fair price if they were going to halve the transport capacity. Still, can't say I'm surprised, and I'm not disappointed either. The vehicle needed the price increase and it's actually making the Valkyrie seem viable now, where-as before it was never even considered.

That's all I've got. Take it easy for now.

-Red__Thirst-

Thanks red!

Happy to help ya sir.

rothrich wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
There's also the matter of tournaments and events, many/most of which either limit or completely ban FW (though it's been getting better), even if pickup games may not be an issue.

OK so it is tournament players that are mostly upset by this. In this case I think that the tournament scene really should rethink GW games altogether as they are really not set up for tournaments.

Well, it's an additional element, but this includes lots of store/club weekly leagues as well and monthly store tournaments, not just very big GT-style events, and many local playgroups are still actively apathetic and even hostile to FW.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:
From a fellow forumer in my country who spotted another preview page, the platoon basic squad :
Prepare to the shock !

Spoiler:

So bad news, Chimera : 65 points

Please mind the page is partially cut on the bottom. Everything is not there

A points INCREASE? And now it doesn't come with a searchlight? What the feth...

And heavy weapons are compulsory rather than optional? That's absolutely absurd.

I don't buy it. Codex: Inquisition Chimeras didn't get a points increase. Why would these?

And one more 'redundancy'. ML with Frag, Krak, and 'Flakk' warheads! this might make senses if it reflects real life missile launchers where Antitank missiles and SAM use different launchers (Ex. TOW for Antitanks, and Redeye against aircrafts), correct?
or is it actually 'balancing out' efforts where other races are having REAL flyers too!

For me it's more the fact that the missile launcher is 5 points over cost, and the flakk missiles a whole 10 points for a single BS3 skyfire shot.

The heavy weapons aren't compulsory at all, note the language 'May'.

As for the 'redundacy' I dont see whats redundant about it, this is no different from the Marine codecies that feature missile launchers w/ frag/krak missiles and missile launchers with frag/krak/flakk missiles. Its a game balance thing. Not everyone wants to spend an extra 10 or more points per missile launcher to have access to flakk missiles. Some people feel better served having dedicated AA units (like the Hydra) instead of blowing points on additional missiles.

rothrich wrote:
At this point people who refuse to play against forgeworld, data slates strong hold and escalation are going to have a pretty hard time finding a game. I mean everyone wants a custom army and GW have now made it to where you can customize your army. There are almost no armies out there that don't have rules for them any more. Why people are thinking that this is such a bad thing I will never know. Unless it is mostly tournament players that are so upset buy this?

I agree completely.

 Bull0 wrote:
I've got my preorder Scions already from Element Games (UK) - that's release day, so pretty impressed with the turnaround time.

I've built a few and kitbashed a few with cadian parts - if anyone was wondering (I know I was) they seem to fit together reasonably well, I thought I'd link a couple of pictures

Spoiler:

And a commander:

And it appears that shoulder pad looks sometimes like Scout marines. Scion helmets could also worn by Scouts too! (and it's better though)

couple things that bother me:

- plasmapistol is still 15 points on a model that only has BS3. maybe you can justify this in that it gives the model a bigger stat boost than it does a marine, but:

- the fact that power weapons still remain at 15 points peeves me off. at least eldar have superior ws and initiative to make use of it, but a lone guardsman sergeant? come on. should have been 10 points, actually 5 points if I had a say in codex writing so people might actually consider taking them just for the heck of it / cool factor.

- boltpistol/bolter upgrade is too cheap. at 1 point, having him keep his laspistol/lasgun is pointless unless your armylist is full and you cant even lose 1 point. I would have priced it at 3 points, because going from S3 AP- to S4 AP5 is quite a difference.

- also, I cant believe that 5 years on GW has still not realised that putting the autocannon and the heavy bolter at the same price is slowed. HB should be 5 points cheaper. Nobody will want to trade +2S and 12" range for +1 shot. Having HB and mortar at the same points level would have been perfect.

- and finally, as if 10 points for flakk wasnt already overcosted in the SM book, GW continues this tradition for a BS3 army. smh

The Taurox looks like a fun model with lots of great detail, but the tracks are more than a little odd looking. If you're going to have four separate track sections for my taste this model has a better aesthetic.

Onslaught Miniatures
September 12, 2013
WIP render of the upcoming Juno APC for the Sisterhood:

 BrassScorpion wrote:
The Taurox looks like a fun model with lots of great detail, but the tracks are more than a little odd looking. If you're going to have four separate track sections for my taste this model has a better aesthetic.

Onslaught Miniatures
September 12, 2013
WIP render of the upcoming Juno APC for the Sisterhood:

Why replace fail with fail? The suspension system on the Taurox are badly designed and so is your scifi model.