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 Mr.Omega wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:
OK guys, some fresh news, from the French WH forum, a report from a player who had a few minutes browsing through the codex.


* Commissar can be attached to any infantry squad you want (unlike previous editions).

* Chimera, we know it's 65 points, the other piece of bad news : the hatch only gives 2 fire points instead of 5. Bam !
Veterans being reduced to 2 special weapons, that's no more than you can fire anyway. It severly limits command squads though.

This is really nice!

But whatever people'll whine about losing the ability to shoot Lasguns out the Chimera hatch

Oh, I am sorry? Is outcry over a staple IG vehicle being nerfed harder than the vendetta was and SEVERELY damaging a popular list/ style of play "whining" now? Glad they update a lot of units that no body used too, that makes up for my mech army being a nice collection of variously well painted paperweights now.

WTH GW.....

Anybody else notice the driver is on the wrong side in the Taurox?????

Dumb Brits.

I never understood why they scrubbed the rule that embarked models could fire the hull mounted lasguns.

 BrookM wrote:
I'm actually hoping that the Astropath has access to Divination, fits with the model more if you ask me.

I agree. Wasn't there a minor BL character who basically was an astropath that read the Tarot. I was always confused, with how much the tarot is mentioned as being used for divination, that IG never had access to that.

 TheKbob wrote:

 Mr.Omega wrote:

But whatever people'll whine about losing the ability to shoot Lasguns out the Chimera hatch

What world are you living in? Since when is deleting options or redacting things a GOOD thing for a game? Outside of complete version changes, what other game actively redacts models with rules updates? I didn't see any of my Cryx guys becoming worthless or changing points values when they released and of the new rulebooks?

Asinine. Hooray, changes to make things that sucked before good. That'd be great if they stopped making things that were good before now suck.

Unfortunately, I have to agree. Nerfing the mainstay vehicle of the IG is pointless and kind of insulting. It serves no purpose other than pissing off IG players.
The rest of that new news actually seemed really nice though.

I never understood why they scrubbed the rule that embarked models could fire the hull mounted lasguns.

 Ravajaxe wrote:

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* Chimera, we know it's 65 points, the other piece of bad news : the hatch only gives 2 fire points instead of 5. Bam !
Veterans being reduced to 2 special weapons, that's no more than you can fire anyway. It severly limits command squads though.

If this is true, GW killed the Chimera for me. The points increase is bad enough, but this would be the end for my mechanized regiments.

First they came for the Chaos Space Marines, and I did not speak out.
Because I was not a Chaos Marine player.

Then they came for the Tyranids, and I did not speak out.
Because I was not a Tyranid player.

Then they came for my IG, and there was no one left to speak for me.

General Hobbs wrote:


WTH GW.....

Anybody else notice the driver is on the wrong side in the Taurox?????

Dumb Brits.

Not sure if serious...the British drive on the left side of the road.
That is the correct side, as GW is a British company.

 Ravajaxe wrote:
OK guys, some fresh news, from the French WH forum, a report from a player who had a few minutes browsing through the codex.


* Commissar can be attached to any infantry squad you want (unlike previous editions).

* Chimera, we know it's 65 points, the other piece of bad news : the hatch only gives 2 fire points instead of 5. Bam !
Veterans being reduced to 2 special weapons, that's no more than you can fire anyway. It severly limits command squads though.

* Ratling snipers can run after firing.

* Deathstrike missile launcher : can fire on first turn now, on 4+ / second turn : 3+ / next turns : 2+. The missile effect is relatively unchanged, non random blast radius of 5" instead of D3+3 inches. Still STR:10 AP:1 ignores cover.

* Fleet officer advisor is in charge of altering reserve rolls : boosting yours or hampering opponent's.

* Astropath is removed from his previous reserve roll modificator to a psyker status, telepathy mastery level 1.

Thanks for posting this. Sounds interesting. I'm really looking forward to trying out some new builds. Can't wait to get my hands on the actual codex!

I guess GW really doesn't want to sell transport kits this edition. They'll look awfully nice sitting pretty and shrinkwrapped on the shelves there

General Hobbs wrote:


WTH GW.....

Anybody else notice the driver is on the wrong side in the Taurox?????

Dumb Brits.

Obviously the British Empire was resurgent just before the future became far and grimly dark.

alphaecho wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


WTH GW.....

Anybody else notice the driver is on the wrong side in the Taurox?????

Dumb Brits.

Obviously the British Empire was resurgent just before the future became far and grimly dark.

Clearly, Jean Luc Picard and all of his family were was born in France, and I just saw him drinking wine and fighting with his brother, they don't sound very French though!

I do like the changes to other units. I have an IG regimental upgrade set already because I love the models. Having them be useful (and cheaper...) would be amazing.

But having the fun of dumping 4 flamers out of the CCS or doing drivebys w/ Plasma or Melta w/ Lasgun support out of Chimera makes me sad. The fact that it went up in points and lost versatility is a double whammy; it's unnecessary. Anyone who actively plays IG (primary or allied) knows that the Chimera is good, but not broken.

This doesn't even include the fact you now have to pay extra points for smoke launchers and searchlights.

This would be like Rhinos going down to a transport capacity of 9 and going up to 40 pts without search lights or smoke launchers.

Funny how GW knows they've created a subpart vehicle and in order to boost its usability they crush the chimera with a rock.

alphaecho wrote:
I never understood why they scrubbed the rule that embarked models could fire the hull mounted lasguns.

Hey maybe it's back then, 3 lasguns + 2 fire points, I don't know. This would amount to 5 firng weapons like in 5th edition codex. Or not.
I would like to see this lasgun fire points rule back. It really fits the figurine look.

Otherwise, having not built more than one chimera (command vehicle) I will not feel the pain of other IG players s who invested heavily in a veteran mechanized force. Sorry for you guys.

I mainly used Chimeras as first turn bunkers before I hopped out and hugged cover with my camo cloaks and carapace armor. Still, the reduction of firepoints sucks. Talk about a kick in the nads. Hopefully they have the lasguns fire-able.

Okay, even when I heard Marbo was leaving I could handle it, but I literally almost jumped up and punched my computer screen when I read that Chimeras had lost 3 of their fire points. Seriously, was the thing ever unbalanced in 6th? NO! Limit the shooting by making vet squads incapable of carrying more than 2 SW's, but for the love of god let me have my melta-laden CCS...

 rabidguineapig wrote:
Okay, even when I heard Marbo was leaving I could handle it, but I literally almost jumped up and punched my computer screen when I read that Chimeras had lost 3 of their fire points. Seriously, was the thing ever unbalanced in 6th? NO! Limit the shooting by making vet squads incapable of carrying more than 2 SW's, but for the love of god let me have my melta-laden CCS...

Yeah, losing the extra fire points is a low blow. What are those extra guns for now? Maybe they be part of the chimera's default loadout, idk.

 rabidguineapig wrote:
Okay, even when I heard Marbo was leaving I could handle it, but I literally almost jumped up and punched my computer screen when I read that Chimeras had lost 3 of their fire points. Seriously, was the thing ever unbalanced in 6th? NO! Limit the shooting by making vet squads incapable of carrying more than 2 SW's, but for the love of god let me have my melta-laden CCS...

~maybe you could use a taurox~

you, GW.


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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 rabidguineapig wrote:
Okay, even when I heard Marbo was leaving I could handle it, but I literally almost jumped up and punched my computer screen when I read that Chimeras had lost 3 of their fire points. Seriously, was the thing ever unbalanced in 6th? NO! Limit the shooting by making vet squads incapable of carrying more than 2 SW's, but for the love of god let me have my melta-laden CCS...

Yeah, losing the extra fire points is a low blow. What are those extra guns for now? Maybe they be part of the chimera's default loadout, idk.

Maybe they are a volley weapon.

On the bright side... The new plastic commissar could be used as a Rogue Trader in Inquisimunda... If anyone still plays that.

 Ravajaxe wrote:

alphaecho wrote:
I never understood why they scrubbed the rule that embarked models could fire the hull mounted lasguns.

Hey maybe it's back then, 3 lasguns + 2 fire points, I don't know. This would amount to 5 firng weapons like in 5th edition codex. Or not.
I would like to see this lasgun fire points rule back. It really fits the figurine look.

Otherwise, having not built more than one chimera (command vehicle) I will not feel the pain of other IG players s who invested heavily in a veteran mechanized force. Sorry for you guys.

I'm going back to 2nd Ed with that though. Long before firing points and restrictions on number of weapons firing.

 Smitty wrote:

 rabidguineapig wrote:
Okay, even when I heard Marbo was leaving I could handle it, but I literally almost jumped up and punched my computer screen when I read that Chimeras had lost 3 of their fire points. Seriously, was the thing ever unbalanced in 6th? NO! Limit the shooting by making vet squads incapable of carrying more than 2 SW's, but for the love of god let me have my melta-laden CCS...

~maybe you could use a taurox~

you, GW.


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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 rabidguineapig wrote:
Okay, even when I heard Marbo was leaving I could handle it, but I literally almost jumped up and punched my computer screen when I read that Chimeras had lost 3 of their fire points. Seriously, was the thing ever unbalanced in 6th? NO! Limit the shooting by making vet squads incapable of carrying more than 2 SW's, but for the love of god let me have my melta-laden CCS...

Yeah, losing the extra fire points is a low blow. What are those extra guns for now? Maybe they be part of the chimera's default loadout, idk.

Maybe they are a volley weapon.

Heh, it would be hilarious if those guns suddenly became hot shot volley guns. There's what, six of them? So that would be 12 S4 AP3 shots into some poor squad that's trying to sneak up on the chimera's side armor

Man, that Chimera change is rough. I was content to accept the price increase, even if I didn't agree with it, but a price increase and a heavy reduction in utility is just spiteful. Will it also lose the "Command Vehicle" and "Amphibious" rule just for the hell of it? Maybe we don't know everything. It could get lasgun ports back. It wouldn't make it much better, but it would be something.

The other changes are pretty cool, of not really game breaking. I like the Astropath as rolling on the Telepathy chart, because that's their literal job and where their name comes from.

I take that back, Deathstrike is game breaking. There's going to be a lot of pissed off people that get hammered with a Deathstrike before they even get a chance to move out of their deployment zone. That sucks if true.

 Smitty wrote:

 rabidguineapig wrote:
Okay, even when I heard Marbo was leaving I could handle it, but I literally almost jumped up and punched my computer screen when I read that Chimeras had lost 3 of their fire points. Seriously, was the thing ever unbalanced in 6th? NO! Limit the shooting by making vet squads incapable of carrying more than 2 SW's, but for the love of god let me have my melta-laden CCS...

~maybe you could use a taurox~

you, GW.

Lol, to put things in perspective whenever I use GK purifiers I will take an inquisitor and a warband of 3 acolytes just so I can jack their Chimera on Turn 1 and the puries can shoot out of it and have AV12. I see this being the edition of Conscript shenanigans and Leman Russ spam.

~You're never going to force that Taurox on me GW!~

To be fair...the amphibious rule is a bit useless. I mean, how often is it used? Does anyone even use watery terrain?


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Biophysical wrote:
Man, that Chimera change is rough. I was content to accept the price increase, even if I didn't agree with it, but a price increase and a heavy reduction in utility is just spiteful. Will it also lose the "Command Vehicle" and "Amphibious" rule just for the hell of it? Maybe we don't know everything. It could get lasgun ports back. It wouldn't make it much better, but it would be something.

The other changes are pretty cool, of not really game breaking. I like the Astropath as rolling on the Telepathy chart, because that's their literal job and where their name comes from.

I take that back, Deathstrike is game breaking. There's going to be a lot of pissed off people that get hammered with a Deathstrike before they even get a chance to move out of their deployment zone. That sucks if true.

I think it's to compensate for the DS being not that great last edition.

heres hoping IG gets some awesome dataslates

The Deathstrike is only going to go off on the first turn relatively rarely, and can still scatter. It's going to be a very "lose big most of the time, win big and hilariously some of the time" type deal.

 mattyrm wrote:
I don't think I would pay MORE than GW prices though, because I bet you can get their gak pretty easily for 25% off somewhere eight? I dunno if you can get Vics stuff at a deep discount.

As far as I know there aren't any discounters for Vic's items, but honestly, with how engaging she is with our community and how awesome her stuff turns out I don't mind paying full price.

Regarding price, I have a 10-man penal squad that is a mix of Vic's bits and Catachan bits. Cost me almost $100 to assemble and looks amazing and will continue to look amazing while it sits on my shelf because apparently Penal Legion aren't a part of the Guard any more.


I am going to reserve final judgement until I have the codex in hand, but I have to say the leaks so far have sucked ALL of my interest out of this update. I am starting to understand why GW doesn't like leaks and previews.

 Vaktathi wrote:
The Deathstrike is only going to go off on the first turn relatively rarely, and can still scatter. It's going to be a very "lose big most of the time, win big and hilariously some of the time" type deal.

Ah, but as it has a 10" blast diameter, it's still probably going to hit something.