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OK so I've just seen my next conversion project. One ork warboss in mega armor with cybork body... More machine than man (well ork) I have/was been toying with the idea to use the Defiler body with a ork warboss inside.. Only problem now is how to justify the $92 NZ dollar price tag.. Anybody in the states(USA) want to check what the postage would be for this to NZ? if it's less than $20US.. I'll still win...

Can't you get a Dark Vengeance hellbrute on eBay or something if you want to keep the cost down?

I never see any one use the Hellbrute so I am surprised people will buy it.

 chiefbigredman wrote:

I was unaware this was a spelling B

Spelling bee*.

What's fun about this is that I refuse to call it by its 6th Edition name. It's absurd and trying way too hard to sound cool (also, why are they suddenly afraid of the word "hell"?) - it's a Chaos Dreadnought, damn it!

I did ask myself the same question - "why?" - when I first heard about this, but for different reasons. What strikes me as peculiar is the sudden release of Chaos stuff. Don't get me wrong; I was as disappointed as anyone when the CSM release came and we kept our outdated models (and didn't get a range following the standard set by the DV CSM), and I am definitely pleased that my army is getting the attention. The new Chosen/Havoc/Chaos Marine kit sounds like something I'll love. It's just weird timing. The answer to the question appears to be the following:

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/chaos-space-marines-look-ahead.html wrote:gw have identified a number of issues with the chaos line with the main 3 being 1. The dated look of a number of models. 2. The hybrid nature of many kits 3. The lack of a generic non God marked lord outside of dark vengeance

Furthermore, I still won't get the "Helbrute". While parts of the design are cool, the little head poking out (which gives the thing the same problem as a Venerable Dreadnought by making it look like a big fat guy) and the actual toes with toenails just kill it for me. I do intend to get a Chaos Dreadnought, but it'll be a suitably converted Loyalist one. I'm thinking of attaching the Lasher Tendrils from the Maulerfiend kit to an Ironclad's Siege Drill thing to make a power scourge.

EDIT: If you want to get stuff from Dark Vengeance, look on bits sites. I got my DV Chaos Lord and Chosen from bitsandkits, although that's a UK site.

New kit looks like pretty great, and it's been awhile since the last plastic chaos dreadnought kit. Because there's never ever been one before.

Prolly gonna pick a box up, and then snag a bunch of cheap DV dreads off ebay. Looks like enough parts in there to make at least 3 unique models that way.

And then I'm gonna run them as Ironclads in an Iron Hands counts-as Iron Warriors list, because Iron within, Iron without, need more iron in your diet.

Iron.

Using Iron Hands rules for Iron Warriors is in some ways ironic.

nareik wrote:
Using Iron Hands rules for Iron Warriors is in some ways ironic.

This made me laugh far too much.

StarHunter25 wrote:
The model is ok looking I guess, though their nurgle one looks like he is about to release a toxic cloud if you know what I mean.

Game wise helbrutes are sort of bad juju for me. Both times I used one it went crazed at the exact wrong moment in the exact wrong way. Managed to take a hull point from an overwatched grenade, and he decided to go into fire frenzy, thus stopping my charge.
Alternatively, I had a missile/las one and it kept getting the "run forward and punch them" one

You roll for frenzy at the start of your next movement phase. It would not stop your charge.

The new Hellbrute model isn't bad but tbh, i was slightly disapointed. I can't quite say what bothers me. Perhaps i expected an even higher level of detail for the price or perhaps the overal design is simply not quite wha i hoped for yet after recently discovering the joys of building plastic warships, i have to wonder, would i rather spend 50 bucks on a Dragon/Hasegawa destroyer model or GW's Hellbrute? If one looks at the purchased value and quality of the miniature/model, then the Hellbrute is in a difficult position.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
What's fun about this is that I refuse to call it by its 6th Edition name. It's absurd and trying way too hard to sound cool (also, why are they suddenly afraid of the word "hell"?) - it's a Chaos Dreadnought, damn it!

Furthermore, I still won't get the "Helbrute". While parts of the design are cool, the little head poking out (which gives the thing the same problem as a Venerable Dreadnought by making it look like a big fat guy) and the actual toes with toenails just kill it for me. I do intend to get a Chaos Dreadnought, but it'll be a suitably converted Loyalist one. I'm thinking of attaching the Lasher Tendrils from the Maulerfiend kit to an Ironclad's Siege Drill thing to make a power scourge.

Well, all the racial dreadnought have been slowly renamed. Eldar turned into the Wraithlord. Orks into the Deffdred. Now the CSM opne is the Helbrute. It helps differentiate the factions a bit more.

The multi-part brute has normal dreadnought feet, not the toes with nails of the DV one. And the head has a number of helmet options, not just faces.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

What's fun about this is that I refuse to call it by its 6th Edition name. It's absurd and trying way too hard to sound cool (also, why are they suddenly afraid of the word "hell"?) - it's a Chaos Dreadnought, damn it!

I have a longtime player friend who does the same thing as you, yet he has no issue calling ork dreads Killa Kans or Deffdreds. He also has no issue calling Eldar Wraithlords by their new names.

It's probably just because he owned a Chaos Dreadnought at one time, and has a hard time letting go. Personally I like it because it makes conversations about the units a lot easier. Dreadnought now only refers to one unit, from one codex. Helbrute now signifies it's own unit entry.

Except so many other chaos things are just "Chaos (Name)". Chaos Rhino. Chaos Predator. Chaos Vindicator. Chaos Land Raider. Chaos Bikers. Chaos Marines. Chaos Terminators. Helbrutes are just team-swapped Dreadnaughts with more corruption and chaos, why do they get special treatment?
The Ork comparison only works if Trukks were called "Ork Rhinos" and Battlewagons were "Ork Land Raiders."

MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
What's fun about this is that I refuse to call it by its 6th Edition name. It's absurd and trying way too hard to sound cool (also, why are they suddenly afraid of the word "hell"?) - it's a Chaos Dreadnought, damn it!

Furthermore, I still won't get the "Helbrute". While parts of the design are cool, the little head poking out (which gives the thing the same problem as a Venerable Dreadnought by making it look like a big fat guy) and the actual toes with toenails just kill it for me. I do intend to get a Chaos Dreadnought, but it'll be a suitably converted Loyalist one. I'm thinking of attaching the Lasher Tendrils from the Maulerfiend kit to an Ironclad's Siege Drill thing to make a power scourge.

Well, all the racial dreadnought have been slowly renamed. Eldar turned into the Wraithlord. Orks into the Deffdred. Now the CSM opne is the Helbrute. It helps differentiate the factions a bit more.

The multi-part brute has normal dreadnought feet, not the toes with nails of the DV one. And the head has a number of helmet options, not just faces.

Helmets don't make it not look like a big fat guy! I used the Venerable Dreadnought as an example for a reason. ;p I'm glad that they fixed the feet, but I'm still not a fan of the design. If anything, it's far less interesting than the DV one, possibly because of the standard Dreadnought pose that really doesn't mesh well with its organic look.

SRSFACE wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

What's fun about this is that I refuse to call it by its 6th Edition name. It's absurd and trying way too hard to sound cool (also, why are they suddenly afraid of the word "hell"?) - it's a Chaos Dreadnought, damn it!

I have a longtime player friend who does the same thing as you, yet he has no issue calling ork dreads Killa Kans or Deffdreds. He also has no issue calling Eldar Wraithlords by their new names.

It's probably just because he owned a Chaos Dreadnought at one time, and has a hard time letting go. Personally I like it because it makes conversations about the units a lot easier. Dreadnought now only refers to one unit, from one codex. Helbrute now signifies it's own unit entry.

Waaaghpower wrote:Except so many other chaos things are just "Chaos (Name)". Chaos Rhino. Chaos Predator. Chaos Vindicator. Chaos Land Raider. Chaos Bikers. Chaos Marines. Chaos Terminators. Helbrutes are just team-swapped Dreadnaughts with more corruption and chaos, why do they get special treatment?
The Ork comparison only works if Trukks were called "Ork Rhinos" and Battlewagons were "Ork Land Raiders."

^ This. Don't forget Chaos Space Marines! Wraithlords were never Space Marines in Dreadnoughts that rebelled against the Imperium for whatever reason. Chaos has Havocs and Raptors, but because they differ from Devastators and Assault Marines. Maybe we could reserve "Helbrute" for crazed and massively mutated Dreadnoughts, while "Chaos Dreadnought" would simply refer to a Dreadnought who is aligned with Chaos? I also hate the fluff outright stating that all Chaos Marines who get put in Dreadnoughts go crazy because they're bored or something.

"Hey, Brother Sicarius!"
"Yes, brother?"
"Now that we're renegades, you're not a Dreadnought any more!"
"Really, brother?"
"You're a Helbrute! Doesn't that sound cool?"
"I was hoping I could still just be called a Dreadnought..."

 SilverMK2 wrote:
What I don't understand (well, I can - it is because it would cost them more to do) is why they can't put more points of articulation on their larger models. The Helbrute looks like it has its feet stuck in the mud and is looking around confused and angry.

Yeah but that is one of the results on the Crazed table

Chaos Dreadnoughts can't be Dreadnoughts, because they're scared of actually being fielded and thus blown up on turn 2.

They're just the same except worse, though!

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:

I was unaware this was a spelling B

Spelling bee*.

What's fun about this is that I refuse to call it by its 6th Edition name. It's absurd and trying way too hard to sound cool (also, why are they suddenly afraid of the word "hell"?) - it's a Chaos Dreadnought, damn it!

I did ask myself the same question - "why?" - when I first heard about this, but for different reasons. What strikes me as peculiar is the sudden release of Chaos stuff. Don't get me wrong; I was as disappointed as anyone when the CSM release came and we kept our outdated models (and didn't get a range following the standard set by the DV CSM), and I am definitely pleased that my army is getting the attention. The new Chosen/Havoc/Chaos Marine kit sounds like something I'll love. It's just weird timing. The answer to the question appears to be the following:

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/chaos-space-marines-look-ahead.html wrote:gw have identified a number of issues with the chaos line with the main 3 being 1. The dated look of a number of models. 2. The hybrid nature of many kits 3. The lack of a generic non God marked lord outside of dark vengeance

Furthermore, I still won't get the "Helbrute". While parts of the design are cool, the little head poking out (which gives the thing the same problem as a Venerable Dreadnought by making it look like a big fat guy) and the actual toes with toenails just kill it for me. I do intend to get a Chaos Dreadnought, but it'll be a suitably converted Loyalist one. I'm thinking of attaching the Lasher Tendrils from the Maulerfiend kit to an Ironclad's Siege Drill thing to make a power scourge.

EDIT: If you want to get stuff from Dark Vengeance, look on bits sites. I got my DV Chaos Lord and Chosen from bitsandkits, although that's a UK site.

Sorry a bit of lazy quoting here because I'm on my phone but...

'Why are they suddenly afraid of the word Hell'

Copyright, all the renaming and rebranding of stuff comes down to copyright now post chapter house, they couldn't call it the Hellbrute or the Helldrake because that is too generic and can't be copyrighted, but drop an L and you are all good to go. It's the same situation with the renaming of the Sisters of Battle, and the Imperial Guard. It's all about protecting their IP


OT, why wouldn't they release a Helbrute kit, it's a kit in their line that doesn't have all the options available, leaving it open for third party companies to make parts for it.

For the price its not actually too bad. Various heads plus you can use any head as they have the same fittings, every weapon it can be armed with, different fronts and looking at the sprues the basic front faced dread look is just what gw made but looking at the arms it looks like it can be posed in a variety of ways

The DV 'brute is actually leaning, though, which does a lot for making it look more dynamic. I don't think the kit will be able to lean without some converting.

As far as it's function in battle I have yet to be impressed by one. However I do like the look of the model I may even pick one up for my collection of random models.

People already answered, but yes, not everyone is after the mega-competitive units only; Some are in the hobby for the joy of painting and converting and the new helbrute looks damn cool. And some just like using different toys in their army.

GW has been delivering some insanely good-looking plastic models lately.

Disclaimer: THIS IS MY OPINION.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
People already answered, but yes, not everyone is after the mega-competitive units only; Some are in the hobby for the joy of painting and converting and the new helbrute looks damn cool. And some just like using different toys in their army.

GW has been delivering some insanely good-looking plastic models lately.

Disclaimer: THIS IS MY OPINION.

Of course it's your opinion. Whose else would it be? Such disclaimers are redundant!

Waaaghpower wrote:
Except so many other chaos things are just "Chaos (Name)". Chaos Rhino. Chaos Predator. Chaos Vindicator. Chaos Land Raider. Chaos Bikers. Chaos Marines. Chaos Terminators. Helbrutes are just team-swapped Dreadnaughts with more corruption and chaos, why do they get special treatment?

Like how Chaos Devastators are called Havocs? Or Chaos Assault Marines are called Raptors?

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
People already answered, but yes, not everyone is after the mega-competitive units only; Some are in the hobby for the joy of painting and converting and the new helbrute looks damn cool. And some just like using different toys in their army.

GW has been delivering some insanely good-looking plastic models lately.

Disclaimer: THIS IS MY OPINION.

I too like the new Helbrute.
I don't play CSM though, so I will not be picking one up.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
People already answered, but yes, not everyone is after the mega-competitive units only; Some are in the hobby for the joy of painting and converting and the new helbrute looks damn cool. And some just like using different toys in their army.

GW has been delivering some insanely good-looking plastic models lately.

Disclaimer: THIS IS MY OPINION.

Of course it's your opinion. Whose else would it be? Such disclaimers are redundant!

Sorry, but nowadays it feels like when you say anything positive about GW you are branded an heretic and the thread will spiral down into an endless discussion.

Wilytank wrote:

Waaaghpower wrote:
Except so many other chaos things are just "Chaos (Name)". Chaos Rhino. Chaos Predator. Chaos Vindicator. Chaos Land Raider. Chaos Bikers. Chaos Marines. Chaos Terminators. Helbrutes are just team-swapped Dreadnaughts with more corruption and chaos, why do they get special treatment?

Like how Chaos Devastators are called Havocs? Or Chaos Assault Marines are called Raptors?

Frozen Ocean wrote:Chaos has Havocs and Raptors, but because they differ from Devastators and Assault Marines. Maybe we could reserve "Helbrute" for crazed and massively mutated Dreadnoughts, while "Chaos Dreadnought" would simply refer to a Dreadnought who is aligned with Chaos? I also hate the fluff outright stating that all Chaos Marines who get put in Dreadnoughts go crazy because they're bored or something.

Devastators and Assault Marines are basically ranks. Havocs, on the other hand, are just CSM who really like big guns, while Raptors are either specific cults or basically just CSM who like jump packs and close combat. A Dreadnought is still a Dreadnought as much as a bolter is called a bolter, but ranks and titles are less solid. A renegade Chapter Master might be termed a Chaos Lord, for example, but he's still a Space Marine in artificer armour with a thunderhammer.

EDIT:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

Sorry, but nowadays it feels like when you say anything positive about GW you are branded an heretic and the thread will spiral down into an endless discussion.

Oh, don't worry. That'll happen regardless.

In the grim darkness of Online 40k, there are only absolute statements...

It's just not good when people put unnecessary things on their statements, like "in my opinion" or whatever. It's unnecessary (because of course it is your opinion!), and it just makes the statement feel like it has no confidence behind it, or that the person saying it is afraid of disagreement. Speak with conviction and have confidence in yourselves, everyone!

What's worse, that or someone sarcastically putting "IMHO" on everything so that people theoretically can't get mad at them for making sweeping generalisations as absolute statements?

Makumba wrote:
It probably has fronts for all 9 legions or something . Still a stupid choice of a new model , no one plays with walkers in 6th ed.

Incorrect. people still play with Hellbrutes and Walkers, just not in the bland internet theroy competitve meta.


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 greg0985 wrote:
Yeah, I love that new model (maybe even more then the FW Legion specific ones ), and will probably pick one up at some point. Just because the Helbrute isn't a great unit, doesn't make it unusable. There is very little in the CSM elites slot competing to be used, and a lone naked Helbrute charging a flank can do a surprising amount of damage if your opponent ignores it, and guess what: if they don't ignore it, and dedicate some firepower to kill it, you also win, since that's less guns pointing at your more valuable units.

I like your optimism

I used to think like you...

...Then I took a first blood to the knee...