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 Haste Games wrote:


I think it will be around $28 but we will try to lower it as much possible as we can, anyways you can expect free rewards apart from what you are backing

Have you considered advertising at what levels contributors get free stuff.

I can't crunch the numbers obviously but when you look at the more successful Kickstarters, anything CMON does, Kingdom Death, Mercs, etc

they list at what pledge level people kick something free. Be it tokens, special miniatures, whatever and at what amount.

Example: At 100,000.00 everyone at the Silver reward or above gets a free Batman mini.

Being parts of KS for 2 years, I can say 2 things.

People like free stuff.

People like to stare at the screen counting down to free stuff while pressing F5 talking about in the comment section.

Interesting updates from the comments.

 If all 9 regiments haven't been unlocked there will be no problem that you guys pick less regiments from group C and more from the other groups, we will just ask you after the campaign is over which regiments you want so you can choose more regiments from group A/B than from group C if you want 

I'm surprised this has gotten off to such a slow start ...

JP1138 wrote:I'm in. Only for $1 at the moment as I'm selling some Mantic stuff off - but when that's gone I'm hoping to up to at least Bronze level to start a new Kingdoms of Men force for Kings Of War.

That was exactly my thought as well!

Schmapdi wrote:
I'm surprised this has gotten off to such a slow start ...

Not really... Unknown company with no previous releases looking $75,000 to make plastic models, which really aren't that good (the drapery is terrible on the swordsmen) ... I doubt this will fund.

Wow, looking forward to this. They'd be a good addition to my Westerosi armies (maybe Tyrells?). I won't back the kickstarter since I'm strapped of cash at the moment, but i'll definitely buy at least one of each box once it's officially released.

Saxon wrote:

Schmapdi wrote:
I'm surprised this has gotten off to such a slow start ...

Not really... Unknown company with no previous releases looking $75,000 to make plastic models, which really aren't that good (the drapery is terrible on the swordsmen) ... I doubt this will fund.

I have to completely disagree with you on that there not good, I think there fantastic! I cant wait to get my hands on these (but I understand that people have different tastes).

Schmapdi wrote:
I'm surprised this has gotten off to such a slow start ...

GW has pretty much gutted the warhammer fantasy player base that might be very enthusiastic about this project. While these will certainly be enjoyed as stand alone miniatures by many, the potential for massive interest in them as alternative warhammer fantasy miniatures has waned along with the WFB player base.

GW may have influence on it.

But think it it more linked with the company has no previous releases and more importantly look at the 4 giant KS it is going up against.

Arcadia quest just finished

Mercs recon

Super Dungeon Explorer

Dark Lands

I'll be using mine as a KoW Kingdoms of Man army!

It makes me think of Berserk. The wait period is too long for the money I personally would have to put down, but if I had the spare cash right now? I'd be chipping in.

 Piston Honda wrote:

Have you considered advertising at what levels contributors get free stuff.....
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...Being parts of KS for 2 years, I can say 2 things.
People like free stuff.
People like to stare at the screen counting down to free stuff while pressing F5 talking about in the comment section.

I have to second this. The promise of free stuff, bonuses and optional extras is what drives the success of a lot of kickstarters. =)

New update: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/haste/the-empire-28mm-heroic-scale-medieval-fantasy-huma/posts

Piston Honda wrote:

 Haste Games wrote:


I think it will be around $28 but we will try to lower it as much possible as we can, anyways you can expect free rewards apart from what you are backing

Have you considered advertising at what levels contributors get free stuff.

I can't crunch the numbers obviously but when you look at the more successful Kickstarters, anything CMON does, Kingdom Death, Mercs, etc

they list at what pledge level people kick something free. Be it tokens, special miniatures, whatever and at what amount.

Example: At 100,000.00 everyone at the Silver reward or above gets a free Batman mini.

Being parts of KS for 2 years, I can say 2 things.

People like free stuff.

People like to stare at the screen counting down to free stuff while pressing F5 talking about in the comment section.

Yeah thanks a lot for your feedback, we are studying options like this one.

Schmapdi wrote:I'm surprised this has gotten off to such a slow start ...

Honestly we did many mistakes, its common for first time kickstarter creators

Just have to say I appreciate the constant communication and interaction.

More so on this forum. Something you don't really see from companies. Big or Small. (from my own exp.)

Tre from Red Box is the only one I am aware of off the top of my head.

I don't expect everyone to do it, or be sitting in front of their computer every hour answering questions. But love to see a mild effort.

 Piston Honda wrote:
Just have to say I appreciate the constant communication and interaction.

More so on this forum. Something you don't really see from companies. Big or Small. (from my own exp.)

Tre from Red Box is the only one I am aware of off the top of my head.

I don't expect everyone to do it, or be sitting in front of their computer every hour answering questions. But love to see a mild effort.

Ty, we are trying our best

Questions being raised by haste games whether to switch materials from plastic to resin. It'd makes the goals smaller and the shipping times earlier.

From the kickstarter

"Hi everyone, we have been discussing many options for breaking the goal mark. 

If we change material to high quality resin instead of hard plastic we could unlock 6 regiments when reaching the goal mark, then we could upgrade the material to hard plastic when we reach a high pledge amount. Would all of you still interested in the project if we use resin instead of plastic ? We would appreciate all your feedback."

now I wouldn't mind so much. But I would understand others not being thrilled with an entire army of resin.


kind regards,
Howie.

Oh look more fantasy/middle-ages humans; there absolutely aren't a gackton of companies already making these...

Snark aside, I would have been more interested in something else....and the talk of resin is a big turn off after Mantic ruining that for me. As in a company pulling a bait and switch with materials after people put money in..

I'll pass on this one.

 agnosto wrote:
Oh look more fantasy/middle-ages humans; there absolutely aren't a gackton of companies already making these...

Last time I checked, there isn't really for fantasy, at least not in hard plastic. I agree that switching to resin (or anything other than "hard plastic") would kill this though.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
Oh look more fantasy/middle-ages humans; there absolutely aren't a gackton of companies already making these...

Last time I checked, there isn't really for fantasy, at least not in hard plastic. I agree that switching to resin (or anything other than "hard plastic") would kill this though.

Yeah but most people who want fantasy humans inevitably turn to historicals... a guy with a sword/halberd/bow is a guy with a sword/halberd/bow....

 agnosto wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
Oh look more fantasy/middle-ages humans; there absolutely aren't a gackton of companies already making these...

Last time I checked, there isn't really for fantasy, at least not in hard plastic. I agree that switching to resin (or anything other than "hard plastic") would kill this though.

Yeah but most people who want fantasy humans inevitably turn to historicals... a guy with a sword/halberd/bow is a guy with a sword/halberd/bow....

Really? No one I've ever seen playing an army of empire has used pure historicals. Historical models are dwarfed by goblins.

I play Valhallans, they cost a lot, I haven't turned to historical models to substitute the horde of infantry I need. It would look out of scale and I wouldn't get the same enjoyment out of it.




Kind Regards,
Howie.

Hi Howie. The renders in this thread look great, don't get me wrong but if I wanted a WFB empire army, I'd probably go Perry Brothers' hard plastics or Warlord historical for the rank and file, artillery and cavalry. Avatars of war if I wanted them to have a chaos feel. They all scale well with WFB as does wargames factory's vikings. There was a polish company making some damn sex vikings in heroic 28mm as well but I can't recall the company name.

 agnosto wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
Oh look more fantasy/middle-ages humans; there absolutely aren't a gackton of companies already making these...

Last time I checked, there isn't really for fantasy, at least not in hard plastic. I agree that switching to resin (or anything other than "hard plastic") would kill this though.

Yeah but most people who want fantasy humans inevitably turn to historicals... a guy with a sword/halberd/bow is a guy with a sword/halberd/bow....

Do you actually believe the things you say? You have no idea what you're talking about but you just keep talking and talking.

I'm curious as to what miniatures you own and why you bought them. I mean, a future soldier with a laser gun is a future soldier with a laser gun. Why buy a GW Space Marine when you can buy a Grenadier/EM4 Space Ranger for a fraction of the cost?

My 4th-6th ed Warhammer Empire army is not my English Civil War Parliamentarian New Model Army is not my Hundred Years War French army is not my War Of The Roses army is not my Anglo-Danish army is not my Italian Wars Landsknecht army is not the Haste Games army despite them all being Humans With Swords. Unless you're blind or trolling.


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 agnosto wrote:
Hi Howie. The renders in this thread look great, don't get me wrong but if I wanted a WFB empire army, I'd probably go Perry Brothers' hard plastics or Warlord historical for the rank and file, artillery and cavalry. Avatars of war if I wanted them to have a chaos feel. They all scale well with WFB as does wargames factory's vikings. There was a polish company making some damn sex vikings in heroic 28mm as well but I can't recall the company name.

Your army would like like gak then. So you have War of the Roses Perry infantry side by side with English Civil War from hundreds of years later with Harquebusiers as cavalry and Perry American Civil War cannons? With Avatars of War chaos guys mixed in and some WGF Viking units? And this would be your... Warhammer Empire army?

When you play minis games, do you use stones from your driveway for infantry and Coke-Cans-Counts-as-Carnifxes?

 agnosto wrote:
Hi Howie. The renders in this thread look great, don't get me wrong but if I wanted a WFB empire army, I'd probably go Perry Brothers' hard plastics or Warlord historical for the rank and file, artillery and cavalry. Avatars of war if I wanted them to have a chaos feel. They all scale well with WFB as does wargames factory's vikings. There was a polish company making some damn sex vikings in heroic 28mm as well but I can't recall the company name.

I won't get into a discussion as judgedoug has done about mixing different historical eras, as I do that with my historical substitutions for LotR and I think it works fine. I have to argue against any historical manufacturer managing to "scale well with WFB" though. I own Perry, Warlord, Gripping Beast, Victrix, and Fireforge. I also have 5th Ed Brets, early 6th Ed Empire, and 6th Ed Brets. You might get away with mixing some of them with 5th/early 6th Ed models, but not current (including 6th Ed Brets) GW at all.

@judgedoug, I PM'd you so as not to derail the thread further.

@Dawnbringer, I agree and I'm not advocating randomly mixing lines together as aesthetics do count for something. The point that I apparently made poorly is that I, personally, would be much more apt to back a kickstarter that didn't do something as boring and overdone as human middle-ages/fantasy miniatures. YMMV and this is just my personal opinion, I don't expect people to agree with me.
If I did a Brettonian army, I think I'd go with Fireforge; they have nearly everything except the trebuchet but crossbowmen instead of bowmen.

With that, gents, I'll bow out of the thread and wish Haste Games the best in the future. I'll keep an eye out to see if they come up with something other than humans later.

Cheers.

 agnosto wrote:
Hi Howie. The renders in this thread look great, don't get me wrong but if I wanted a WFB empire army, I'd probably go Perry Brothers' hard plastics or Warlord historical for the rank and file, artillery and cavalry. Avatars of war if I wanted them to have a chaos feel. They all scale well with WFB as does wargames factory's vikings. There was a polish company making some damn sex vikings in heroic 28mm as well but I can't recall the company name.

I just thought I'd post a scale shot with an older empire handgunner with a historical model and an orc, just showing how small they are by comparison.

I'd much rather something that looks good and fits in with the scale or Warhammer,

 agnosto wrote:
Hi Howie. The renders in this thread look great, don't get me wrong but if I wanted a WFB empire army, I'd probably go Perry Brothers' hard plastics or Warlord historical for the rank and file, artillery and cavalry. Avatars of war if I wanted them to have a chaos feel. They all scale well with WFB as does wargames factory's vikings. There was a polish company making some damn sex vikings in heroic 28mm as well but I can't recall the company name.

Have you seen any of the Perry WOTR or Warlord Pike and Shotte stuff? Not being facetious, but it doesn't scale well with Warhammer stuff at all. If you wanted a warhammer army composed solely of spears, handguns, some knights, and a few halberds, you could make it work, but none of your core infantry would scale at all with all of the specialist troops you need to make a viable Empire army. The niche that Haste games is trying to exploit is making stuff in plastic that you could actually mix and match with existing WFB empire troops.

Just got an email from Kickstarter saying the project was cancelled. So I guess that's the end of that, for now at least.

Shame that this project never really got off the ground. Hopefully Haste will get their product(s) out in time as I really like the aesthetic of the models. They were just far too ambitious with the scope of this Kickstarter.

The didn't get off to the best of starts, and then the "Would you mind if we changed materials?" question was the end, for all intents and purposes...

Such a shame to see that they've cancelled it. I'm hoping that they've done this so that they can make the original stretch goal smaller and start off in resin with the hope of getting it to plastic