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I like it all but the Furioso wins the day for me.

Thanks fellas, I am liking the Fragioso too, may start work on Abel the Death Company Dreadnought soon too.

I turned 33 today, and the missus went Marine crazy again and got me a box of Chaos Space Marines and some SM Devastators. With all the Heavy weapons included I am going to convert some Havocs for my Iron Warriors.

So the remaining 5 CSM 's, do I turn them into a small squad to fill a troops slot (maybe with ccw 's?) or use them to bulk the Havocs into a 10 man squad? Which is best?

Since Chaos can't Combat Squad, my vote goes to extra troops. 5 men with ccw and MoK might make nice mini-Bezerkers, or 5 with MoN are nice objective sitters.

Cheers Para.

So does the footprint of a 10 man seen as a bigger disadvantage than perhaps being able to save the odd heavy weapon trooper in exchange for a bolter csm?

Also load outs, I am thinking:

Havocs: 2 Lascannon, 1 missile Launcher, 1 heavy bolter.

Devastators: Multi Melta, 2 Plasma Cannon, 1 Heavy bolter (may do 2 heavy bolter/1 plasma cannon).

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Thanks fellas, I am liking the Fragioso too, may start work on Abel the Death Company Dreadnought soon too.

I turned 33 today, and the missus went Marine crazy again and got me a box of Chaos Space Marines and some SM Devastators. With all the Heavy weapons included I am going to convert some Havocs for my Iron Warriors.

So the remaining 5 CSM 's, do I turn them into a small squad to fill a troops slot (maybe with ccw 's?) or use them to bulk the Havocs into a 10 man squad? Which is best?

Good god- your missus is spoiling you rotten with the plastic-crack of late! Hold on to that one! haha. Also, Happy birthday fella, enjoy it!

Havocs are fun and shooty. Though you could also bulk up your Hawk Lords with a Devastator team. You get a Heavy Bolter with CSMs don't you?

I kind of like the idea of having the extra bullet sponges myself, but only if you think you could afford to have the otherwise 'dead weight' in your list. For a group of devastators I could see taking both anti tank and anti infantry in the same squad since they could combat squad (if you take the extra bodies), but what is your reasoning for the havocs? If you are shooting at tanks the heavy bolter will feel like a toy, and if you are shooting at infantry to use the heavy bolter the other stuff is gonna be less optimal.

If you think it looks cool or are just trying to use up the models, that I can get. Consider converting the HB to an autocannon though, I've seen that done and pretty well at that.


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Also, happy birthday

Yeah, I agree with Grim. Since you can't combat squad, I think it's better to have 5 guys actually contributing something beyond being 13ppm bullet shields. If it were Guard, on the other hand, meatshields all the way!

Also on the weapons, I suggest all AT or all Anti-infantry. So with what you have, maybe 2Las2Plas for the SM, and 2Auto (HB with barrel extension)2Missile for the CSM.

And yeah, Happy Birthday!

Thanks for all the advice and good wishes fellas.

Grim's "if it looks cool" is usually at the forefront of my mind really, I have zero competiveness so just go for the units/models I like and hope for the best.

In the end I went for:

Havocs: 2 Autocannon/2 Lascannon as I wanted a bit of flexibilty.

5 Man CSM squad with CCW 's (flamer).

Devastators: 2 Plasma Cannon, Missile Launcher, Multi-Melta.

Also did a hell of a lot of construction done, will get some pics up asap once the light is a bit better.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Thanks for all the advice and good wishes fellas.

Grim's "if it looks cool" is usually at the forefront of my mind really, I have zero competiveness so just go for the units/models I like and hope for the best.

In the end I went for:

Havocs: 2 Autocannon/2 Lascannon as I wanted a bit of flexibilty.

5 Man CSM squad with CCW 's (flamer).

Devastators: 2 Plasma Cannon, Missile Launcher, Multi-Melta.

Also did a hell of a lot of construction done, will get some pics up asap once the light is a bit better.

Sounds good! Havoc autocannons look badass! For my Dark Angels devastators, I went for x2 Plasma Cannons and x2 Heavy Bolters & Sergeant w/ Power fist and Signum. Quite good when you're facing Tyranids and Chaos.

Also got a Legion heavy weapon kit from Forgeworld a while ago, so I've got a load of 2nd ed style heavy weapons to choose from! Plus it's quite fluffy, as Dark Angels had a fair amount of cool toys after the Horus Heresy.

Oooh, they look nice. I do like the idea of flexibility in heavy weapons squads. You are never going to be targeting just APC/tanks or infantry in a game, but then again you do reduce your effectiveness by splitting your unit into anti tank and anti infantry.

Also the new Skaven Stormvermin Rat ogres... with a bit of conversion possible Obliterators? Cannot stand the current miniatures for those.

Oblits: Holy gak- yeah do that! I was going to use them as Grotesques for Dark Eldar.

I have a few spare marines so I can change the load out of the Devs if something more violent is needed. Thing is, with lascannons you only have the 1 shot, one kill. Plasma you get a powerful AP2 blast (at the risk of blowing yourself up) Heavy Bolters give you 3 shots.

Grotesques seems like a good shout too.

Anyway some pictures from yesterday afternoon. It was basically an afternoon of construction, darts and football. Followed by an evening of booze and a gig (aiming to do 2 a week this year).

Land Raider, Heldrake, 2 Raptor Squads and Terminators:



Tank buster raptor squad (2 Meltas and Power Fist)



Close Combat/hit and run squad (2 Flamers, power sword)



Havocs, these are constructed but need the mould lines removing:



Autocannon 1:



Autocannon 2:



lascannon 1:



Lascannon 2:



had better get basing.

I like that mutated autocannon guy with the tentacle holding the gun lol.
Gotta love the Land Raider kit- all that lovely conversion gubbins!

Cool stuff! The Autocannon conversions are very nice and I've always loved the new Raptors.

That's some fancy chaos stuff, looking forward to paint

Thanks gents. It has been a terrible start to the year, my grandmother passed away on January 2nd at the grand age of 92. Just days later my Mum's lymphoma was re-diagnosed, this time much more severe and basically untreatable. The result is she has been given 2/3 months to live. So I think I am going to treat painting and modelling as therapy and to keep my mind on other things. Mum has always been proud of my miniatures too, so it will be a good thing to show her as luckily she only lives a 20 minute walk away.

So the blog may see flurries of activity and weeks of down time, we shall see.

I am so sorry to hear about that. I'm sure I speak for all your readers when I say our thoughts are with you and your family.

What para said man... that sucks :(

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Thanks gents. It has been a terrible start to the year, my grandmother passed away on January 2nd at the grand age of 92. Just days later my Mum's lymphoma was re-diagnosed, this time much more severe and basically untreatable. The result is she has been given 2/3 months to live. So I think I am going to treat painting and modelling as therapy and to keep my mind on other things. Mum has always been proud of my miniatures too, so it will be a good thing to show her as luckily she only lives a 20 minute walk away.

So the blog may see flurries of activity and weeks of down time, we shall see.

Man, that sucks. Spend as much time as you can with her mate. Make it count.

Good looking models. I especially like autocannon 1 dude.

I'm very sorry to hear about your family situation. Hang in there.

Thanks everyone, mum is fine for the moment she is just on a very low dose of morphine and so is just a little sleepy. She wants the Blood Angels Terminators and Heldrake done asap though.

Sorry to hear this T.O.T.

Thoughts and prayers from my family to yours.

I have not been lazy during my time not posting on the blog, so here is an update of mostly finished work of an Iron warriors flavour.

Dark Vengeance Chaos Lord:





Raptors (Tank Busters Variety)



6 Man Chaos Space Marine Close Combat Squad (will become 10 man eventually)



Terminators:







rounded out my previously 5 man Chaos SM squad to 10:




Itty Bitty Land Raider:







Heldrake. Try as I might this was murder to photograph.



Group shot (without the close combat squad)



Have also began work on the Havocs:



And have also kit bashed my remaining 4 close combat Marines using the legs from AOW 's Corruptors of the Apocalypse Box. I could not pass 24 not chaos warriors and a metal character for £18 from North Star Games in their sale:







Until the next time.

Blimey, you have been productive! The lord looks epic, especially the sword, and every model in the force is both interesting on its own and very cohesive with the rest. That's a really nice little army you have there!

Nice work there Thraxas! Some pretty badass CSM stuff. Hope all's well with your mum (or as well as it can be)

I like how you've not gone massively over the top with the hazard stripes on your Iron Warriors.

Mum was admitted to hospital last week on tuesday. She passed away on Wednesday. She was lucid and thankfully largely painless to the end. That is why I think I have been so productive, I do not think it has hit me yet really. But between my Dad, sister and myself the funeral is largely sorted. I still think that Sixty-Six is no age nowadays.

But thank you for all the previous good wishes. Going to be bloody hard to lighten the thread now!

Once more, very sorry to hear that. Thoughts are with you.

Oh man- sorry for your loss. Feel like an idiot asking about that now! Thoughts are with you and the family.

Minis look amazing.

Thoughts and well wishes for your family.

Hot damn! Those are great