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I would like to see Nids take on Imperial Knights, TBH. Does not have to be a Skyblight list 9 which would have the advantage most likely). Just against an IK army with an allied detachment of your choice.

I think Nidz could struggle versus the Knight.

 felixcat wrote:

Geoff made a lot of mistakes. Overwatch killing the crone, poor use of his spore cysyts - which could have cleared immortals - and more. As to whether it was a good tactic to leave the board or not - well I think there is merit in both approaches.

The thing is even with mistakes being made Geoff was able to win. This speaks to the strength of the formation. The game was close but Jim - you rolled pretty well on those D-lords; if the ganme had ended a turn earlier you would have had no chance at all; you are way more experienced with your tournament hardened list than Geoff using the models available to put one together.

So all in all a rather impressive victory. And Jim - I was rooting for you. I respect anyone who fields Necrons without crutches (no allies - no dataslates). Your list is clean.

Thanks.

I felt that this was an even matchup. Either armies could have taken the game. I had a slight experience advantage, but Geoff has actually played more 6E bugs than I have. Skyblight is really strong, but IMO it is no more dominant than most of the top-tier armies.

I look forwards to playtesting the formation some more.

Fragile wrote:
Objective secured is simply an attempt to balance the last turn advantage that Eldar/Necrons etc have of just turbo-boosting to objectives. It is no more OP than that. It turns the game back into more of a fight, than a hide and seek until the last turn.

As for the 7 FMCs.. they are definitely not OP. A Quad gun makes Harpies cry... even grounding tests do.

They key to this type of army will be how well they can make their Grounding tests. Make most of them and they're good. Fail more often than not and they are in trouble.

 Mythra wrote:
I think Wave Serp. are OP, I think Sky Blight is OP, and there are plenty of other OP things in 40k. That is just 40k now a days. If you want to compete in tournaments use the OP. If they aren't going to balance 40k then you need to spread the OP around so everyone isn't running the same 1 or 2 armies in the tournament scene.

I like it. I want to see more variety in tournaments. Don't ban anything let the chips fall where they may. I would like to see more armies compete not less. I hope the orcs get a boost when they come out and the guard too.

Agreed. I would rather encourage variey in tournament play than to discourage. Every army should have at least 1 top-tier army with a chance to win it all.

 jifel wrote:

 Ifurita wrote:
Wonder what Part III will bring ...

Well Tyrannofex, Carnifex, Trygons, Mawlocs, Hive Tyrants, Rippers, and Sky-Slashers have failed to receive much attention. (Flyrants kinda feature in the Skyblight, but the normal variety hasn't been seen.

Based on the phases, this will most likely focus on finishing off defenders and consumption... which suggests Rippers, Haruspex and Pyrovores will be buffed. Plus, many of the big heavies remain to be seen...

I predict: And this is just a prediction, I really have no idea!

1 Tyrant/Guard/Warriors formation with buffs to psychic powers
1 Ripper/Warrior formation that can still can't score, making it meh.
1 Haruspex/Pyrovore Formation with a mostly useless special rule
A big "Trygon Assault brood' with 2 Trygons and a Mawloc (maybe a Prime?) and Raveners that is disgustingly good.
A big Carnifex/Tyrannofex wave that is kinda useful and may be nice (think power level of the Living Artillery)

I want to see a formation with the Swarmlord. I seriously want to use him in a competitive setting.

 greyknight12 wrote:
Interesting...I remember:
"Nids would be great with more FMCs!"
"We need Without Number back!"
"If only we had more durable scoring units!"

it seems that GW has created a "crowd-sourced codex" for the Tyranids.


I think the real question to ask is what happens if you allow ALL dataslates into tournaments (because that's the only "fair" way to do it). The Tau one could be pretty nasty, but in all honesty I don't think any others are at the same level of that or the Skyblight. I like what some have done and allow 1 extra detachment: an Ally, or a Formation/Dataslate.

Wow....do you mean to tell us that you think GW actually listened?!?

Fragile wrote:
Personally, this whole thread is just another knee jerk reaction. So what, Nids beat the Crons. Play that matchup 20 times and see what happens. Until then you have nothing more than a random dice effect and everyone is screaming OP.

Like I said, OP is in the eye of the beholder. Many will think Skyblight to be OP. Personally, I don't. But hysteria always follows whenever something new and good comes out. Nothing we can really do about that except allow some time to pass and people to get more acclimated.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
I think Nidz could struggle versus the Knight.

I don't. As a matter of fact, I think it would be the other way around. Hi Mr Knight, meet my 30 termagants. You don't even need to kill them to beat them.

If only it was always that easy.

If only it was always that easy.

It is when you have Jim's experience

The same could be said of Necrons ?

 jy2 wrote:

Wow....do you mean to tell us that you think GW actually listened?!?

I don't think it'd be much of a stretch for GW to have a bunch of people do their playtesting for free (correction: pay GW to playtest their product).

 jifel wrote:
And you get extra T5 4+ FMCs yes. Which can each be killed by a single quadgun, without even stretching the numbers much.

Not really. Its about a 6% chance of killing one.

That takes some serious stretching.

 felixcat wrote:

I would like to see Nids take on Imperial Knights, TBH. Does not have to be a Skyblight list 9 which would have the advantage most likely). Just against an IK army with an allied detachment of your choice.

My money would be on the bugs in this matchup.

And if nids bring Skyblight against the IK's, that is as close to an auto-win that nids are going to get.

 greyknight12 wrote:

 jy2 wrote:

Wow....do you mean to tell us that you think GW actually listened?!?

I don't think it'd be much of a stretch for GW to have a bunch of people do their playtesting for free (correction: pay GW to playtest their product).

And you expect them to listen to those people? Haha....j.k.