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Any of the modern power builds would roll right through this. Beastpacks, Seer Councils, Flying Circus, Grav Star, etc. Well the Rune Priest might give an Ovesa star pause, but he gets one chance to get through the Tailisman, then he's dead.

It's a good 5ED list with some nice 6ed tweaks, but it's behind the meta. Drastically so even. It's slow, lacks durability(47 power armor bodies, one TDA, one artificer, they'll die quick), and doesn't put out that much damage. The most dangerous squad will be a perfect timing/prescience psycher with the Plasmacannon Long Fangs, but they have almost no durability and will get torrented down immediately.

wpago wrote:
Oh and by the way he has shield enternal and armor indomance. He also has it wont die since he is irion hands allies.

Not insulting you, just curious i though space marines could only get one Remnant of Glor or whatever and only eldar could get multiples

What if I dropped the Sternguard Veterans for one more unit of Missile Launchers? Or, alternately, dropped one squad of Grey Hunters to get 5 Wolf Guard with a CMLTerminator and 4 Combi-Weapons? (Presumably meltas or flamers.)


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 hiveof_chimera wrote:

wpago wrote:
Oh and by the way he has shield enternal and armor indomance. He also has it wont die since he is irion hands allies.

Not insulting you, just curious i though space marines could only get one Remnant of Glor or whatever and only eldar could get multiples

They can replace one weapon with one relic. It's up for debate as to whether this means they can swap out once, or swap out both weapons.

I would definitely drop the Sternguard, that's an insanely expensive unit to have in the back of a Stormraven. Basic Scouts (CCW/Pistol) are the best Raven unit. I'd drop the Sternguard and replace the sniper scouts. Go to a ten man basic Scout unit, give the SGT melta bombs and buy a LSS. Combat squad the Scouts and put half in the Raven and half in the LSS.

I personally wouldn't run Long Fangs anymore (their time is long gone), but if you need to take those two squads make sure they both have a TDA caddie to tank wounds for them. I wouldn't use the Rune Priest because you want the flexibility of putting him in a pod. So find the points to put that Inquisitor in TDA and have him stand in front of one of the Long Fangs, Coteaz the other. They're not great tanks because they're T3. But I'm trying to edit your list concept, not design a whole new list, lol.

Drop one of the pods from 10, to fit a Rune Priest in, for flexibility (say you need Jaws to remove a Riptide or whatever). He doesn't have to travel in that pod, it's just an option. I personally always go 7 Grey Hunters with a Standard, then toss in a TDA Wolf Guard with matching combi weapon (and have a slot for my RP, who is just in power armor). A 3 man Wolf Guard squad should fit in points wise. TDA Wolf Guard under the standard is MEAN. (awkward video on the subject: http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2013/11/20/guest-video-from-anonymou5-tips-tactics-and-dirty-tricks-grey-hunters/ )

I don't play Nids, but how about something like:

2 Flyrants
Tervigon
30 gaunts
Tervigon
30 gaunts
2 Hive Crones
2 or 3 Mawlocs
Aegis/Comms Relay ( I think bugs can take Fortifications now)

I don't play Crons either but if you can take an Escalation Lord of War in this, the Transcendant C'tan or Tesseract Vault with him inside will mess you up pretty bad. Str D Hellstorms and 6D6 Str 8/AP3 shots, OUCH!
Or with the unleashed C'tan, the D stride and the Hellstorm of course. That could Hellstorm into a Dawn of War enemy zone 1st turn since GargCs move 12", or if there's a drop pod with range, he can do the Stride and get even farther. And if you kill him, everything in like 3D6" takes a Str 10/AP2 hit. EVERYTHING, MUHWAHAHAHAHA!

Hmmm, for Daemons, I'd have to say Daemons with IG Allies for something like Fateweaver, DP Tzeentch, Belakor, and whatever Troops and Fleshhounds I could fit besides those, or perhaps Screamers. Then Company Command or Lord Commissar, Vets w Demos and Melta Guns in Vendettas, Marbo for a big screw you behind the Aegis Line, and a Manticore or Medusa, maybe some Stormtroopers. Aegis/Comms would be important with this list too.

Of course missions can make a difference, but any of those could give you a good game.

I don't think you can rely on your DP melta if theres more than a few high AV tanks. All of my ABG lists have at least 6 Russes with 30-40 guardsmen to bubble wrap. This leaves your SR and ML long fangs, which frankly don't scare me that much (AV14 laughs at ML, SRs will kill a Russ or two but will be welcomed with a Vendetta).

I'll agree with the other posters - you have too many points in HQs, not enough in dakka. 12 Long Fangs aren't that hard to remove, regardless of cover save/invul.

How's this?
Drop the Inquisitor, the Sternguard, and one squad of GH. Add 5 scouts, make all the scouts shotgun with no camo, and attach a MM Land Speeder.
Then, add a Wolf Guard group with 2 Terminators, 6 Power Armor. One Termy gets a CML, and I take 5 Combi-Flamers and 4 Combi-Meltas om the PA. (20 points for the extra flexibility is totally worth it, IMO.)

Waaaghpower wrote:

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
Lynx in reserve with a seer star. GG freind

How does this work, exactly? And it is it something that 5 Ignores Cover I've Been Expecting You Plasma Cannons might hinder?

No. Try fortune on a 4+ invul
And it works like this. Lynx is in reserve until turn 2. Seerstar and wave serpents kill plasmafangs turn 1, then missilefange turn 2. After that its just mopping up the survivors

 ninjafiredragon wrote:

Waaaghpower wrote:

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
Lynx in reserve with a seer star. GG freind

How does this work, exactly? And it is it something that 5 Ignores Cover I've Been Expecting You Plasma Cannons might hinder?

No. Try fortune on a 4+ invul
And it works like this. Lynx is in reserve until turn 2. Seerstar and wave serpents kill plasmafangs turn 1, then missilefange turn 2. After that its just mopping up the survivors

What is a Lynx? And how does the Seerstar just kill all the Long Fangs with no resistance? Remember, they've got psychic defense in spades (Even against blessings), 4+ cover, 3+ armor, and quite a few 2+ guys in front. Fortune on a 4+ invuln only helps so much, and half the time you cast it while within 24" of me, you don't get it at all.

No, the wave serpents kill the long fangs, with help buffs from seercouncil


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Lynx is 330 points super heavy av 12 12 10 with eldar titan holo feilds, scatter laser (which twin links pulsar), and a pulsar. (S 2 shot largeblast)

Once again, how are these units doing these things? What are their stats, how many shots, what S and AP? Just saying 'They'll kill you' doesn't help me.

Hmm.

2x Melta-dominions Scouting in Repressors. That's your Long Fangs and Icarus dealt with (five Ignores Cover meltaguns at BS4 in an AV13 chimera, basically), backed up by two Exorcists and an Avenger once your AA is down. The rest of my army is academic.

For my eldar, I would take a Scorpion (Superheavy under 750 points with a twinlinked heavy 2 small blast STR D weapon) I would then use the remaining points to bublewrap it with wave serpents to protect from melta. Possibly throw in a wraithknight as well.

Actually, when you consider how ineffective a pair of meltaguns are, you probably AREN'T going to kill a tank a turn.

Considering that each Grey Hunter unit only have a 44% chance to score 2 hits, you're usually only going to get one or fewer hits from a given hunter squad. We'll say they get lucky, and tag a target twice.

If your target is similarly hiding behind an Aegis, they get a 50% save. So even if you get two hits, you're likely going to only get one through.

That one hit that gets through still has to penetrate, and if your opponent is even remotely clever they'll bubble-wrap their sit'n'shoot tanks with infantry and that Aegis, so you'll be outside of Melta range, so you're by no means guaranteed that, so let's say your opponent isn't stupid and deploys with their rear AV against a board edge. Maybe you're got to get through AV 11? So that one hit has a 50% chance to pen, and then you've got a 50% chance to explode it.

So if you look at it that way, you have a 44% chance to "best case" a pair of hits, probably reduced to a single penetrating hit, that is saved half of the time, and now you have a further 50% chance to wreck a vehicle. In your "best case" scenario, you've got a 25% chance to wreck a vehicle. If you instead get one hit, you're down to a 12.5% chance to succeed... and 1/9 times you fluff it and miss with both.

With two pods dropping first turn, you're probably only ever going to see combat with one of those squads. It's not like they're combat beasts even, just bullies.


You're probably NOT going to wreck something hiding behind an Aegis, and those nasty tanks are then going to have free aim on your deployed tank hunters that are OUT IN THE OPEN without cover. Not to mention all the plasmaguns and rifles that will then lace into them, after the tanks have had their way with you.

And your ML's are doing SFA against a Russ, or really any high AV vehicle hiding behind a defence line. Add camo netting for a 3+ cover save on said vehicles. Guardsmen go to ground behind an Aegis for a 2+ cover save, then get a "Get back in the fight" order to ignore the penalties for going to ground. Lulz.

Deal with the immediate threats, then bomb the piss out of your bunker. Colossus for ignores cover good times, or just hammer'em with shooting till they fail their armour saves. Each wound from the bunker group is an upgrade down, so it doesn't take long to neuter their effectiveness.

At 1850 points, a single flyer is easy pickings and will probably be shot down before it can deliver it's payload. Keep in mind, that if you want your flyer to survive past turn 2, it will zoom the turn it arrives and can't deploy it's payload until turn 3 unless you want to risk a jump deployment.

That means that on turn one your opponent focusses on the dropped pods. Turn two they kill off your 3rd pod, and damage your flier. Turn three they down your flier and probably deal with the contents of said flyer. Turn four they've wiped out everything outside of your castle, which means you're probably losing any objective based mission. They spend the remaining turns collecting objectives and killing your scouts so you can't claim any objectives, and then win the game.

Your list has threats, but they arrive piecemeal which allows a canny opponent to concentrate his entire firepower on one or two units a turn, wiping them out before moving on to the next threat that has arrived.

Since you deploy your long range support inside a single box, it's easy to deny it LOS to anything vulnerable, if your opponent is playing a mobile army, and again they can just pick your army apart piecemeal.


That's how I'd beat this list.

I would run Tau. Your list doesn't have nearly enough durability to take a full turn of Tau or Eldar shooting.

HQ:
Commander (Iridium, MS3, VRT, CnCN, Onager, PEN)
Ethereal

Troops:
x5 Kroot Squads (15 Kroot, 3 Hounds)

Elites:
Riptide (Ion Accel, Fusion, EWO)
Riptide (Ion Accel, Fusion, EWO)
Riptide (HBC, Fusion, EWO, Skyfire)

Heavy:
Broadsides (3 man, Missiles, x3 Target Locks, x6 Marker Drones)
Sky Ray (SMS, Blacksun)
Sky Ray (SMS, Blacksun)

I will gladly sit in the corner and bombard you. The Stormraven gets killed before it can even shoot, and the Long Fangs maybe get 5 hits on my Outflanking Kroot. Also, I can kill every GH squad who wants to drop down with 72" of any Riptide.

Lucarikx

This really isn't helping to build a list... Because it is impossible to be prepared for every list out there with only 1850pts to work with, that said,

Seer council with revenant (I know its more then 750)

You have 25 troops you only need 20, the stern guard are pointless, why not storm talons? Wolf guard terminators with combie weapons are very underrated. I often win games with them

extremefreak17 wrote:For my eldar, I would take a Scorpion (Superheavy under 750 points with a twinlinked heavy 2 small blast STR D weapon) I would then use the remaining points to bublewrap it with wave serpents to protect from melta. Possibly throw in a wraithknight as well.

Why take a scorpion over the much more cost efficient lynx? Scorpian is what 600 points? Lynx is 330, has a twin linked large blast S D weapon. Im pretty sure scorpian actually has a large blast one, but even then the lynx still wins out. The only thing you gain from scorpain is the 360 rotation, which is not worth the extra 300 points.

Waaaghpower wrote:Once again, how are these units doing these things? What are their stats, how many shots, what S and AP? Just saying 'They'll kill you' doesn't help me.

Did that recheck my other post

Just a heads up to the OP, it's best to know the strengths of every army if you want to go into a competitive format by acquiring all the codices one way or another.

Lucarikx

Hi There!

Against your list I would take:
HQ
GUO - level 3, greater reward, exalted reward
Keeper of secrets - level 3, 2*greater reward

Troops
18 daemonettes
12 plague bearers

Fast attack
blight drone
blight drone

Heavy support
Soul grinder - MoN, phlegm
Soul grinder - MoN, phlegm

Allies - Chaos space Marines
Lord on bike - MoN, power fist, lightning claw

Troops
10 cultists

Fast attack
Hell drake

Just throwing it out there for you to consider

 ninjafiredragon wrote:

extremefreak17 wrote:For my eldar, I would take a Scorpion (Superheavy under 750 points with a twinlinked heavy 2 small blast STR D weapon) I would then use the remaining points to bublewrap it with wave serpents to protect from melta. Possibly throw in a wraithknight as well.

Why take a scorpion over the much more cost efficient lynx? Scorpian is what 600 points? Lynx is 330, has a twin linked large blast S D weapon. Im pretty sure scorpian actually has a large blast one, but even then the lynx still wins out. The only thing you gain from scorpain is the 360 rotation, which is not worth the extra 300 points.

Waaaghpower wrote:Once again, how are these units doing these things? What are their stats, how many shots, what S and AP? Just saying 'They'll kill you' doesn't help me.

Did that recheck my other post

Most current update puts the Lynx at 420 points. (430 with the scatter laser) It is 6 HP with AV 11/11/11. Scorpion is 650 points. It has 9 HP, AV 12/12/11, turret mounted, and is not limited to a 36" range in order to twin link the pulsar.
I think 120 points is worth AV 12, 3 HP, the turret, and almost twice the range.

Warhound Titan with 2 Double-barreled Turbo-laser Destructors
Void Shield Generator or Relay Network

That would be 4 large blast Destroyer weapons that has 5 Void Shields that will come back online at the end of my turn on a 5+. If I run the Void Relay network it could be up to 11 Void Shields.

So, with all that's been said, how do I fix these problems? I only own10 Scouts and no Stormtalons, and I'd liketo keep my budget under 80 dollars. I've got plenty of normal troops models, but no bikes whatsoever.

Not much you can do, really. I mean..... You'll probably need your own Lord of War, lol. Or bikes... Lotsa Grav Centurions would be good too.

Lucarikx

 extremefreak17 wrote:

 ninjafiredragon wrote:

extremefreak17 wrote:For my eldar, I would take a Scorpion (Superheavy under 750 points with a twinlinked heavy 2 small blast STR D weapon) I would then use the remaining points to bublewrap it with wave serpents to protect from melta. Possibly throw in a wraithknight as well.

Why take a scorpion over the much more cost efficient lynx? Scorpian is what 600 points? Lynx is 330, has a twin linked large blast S D weapon. Im pretty sure scorpian actually has a large blast one, but even then the lynx still wins out. The only thing you gain from scorpain is the 360 rotation, which is not worth the extra 300 points.

Waaaghpower wrote:Once again, how are these units doing these things? What are their stats, how many shots, what S and AP? Just saying 'They'll kill you' doesn't help me.

Did that recheck my other post

Most current update puts the Lynx at 420 points. (430 with the scatter laser) It is 6 HP with AV 11/11/11. Scorpion is 650 points. It has 9 HP, AV 12/12/11, turret mounted, and is not limited to a 36" range in order to twin link the pulsar.
I think 120 points is worth AV 12, 3 HP, the turret, and almost twice the range.

What book to find currentest lynx rules? And its 220 points more if your right. And even then i would still keep the lynx. Can almost have an extra wraithknight with points saved.

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
What book to find currentest lynx rules?

Imperial Armour: Apocalypse.

This one? Or is this outdated? http://wh40klib.ru/codex/Imperial_Armor_Books/IA_Apocalypse_I.pdf

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
This one? Or is this outdated? http://wh40klib.ru/codex/Imperial_Armor_Books/IA_Apocalypse_I.pdf

That one's outdated - this is the current one http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Armour_Books/IMPERIAL_ARMOUR_APOCALYPSE.html

That one is outdated,

in the current ed the scorpion is 650pts while the lynx is only 420 that's a 230pt difference so yes you could almost get a WK.

And honestly you don't need the SL for TL, thats what farseers are for.

Actually i can take those two relics because my armor indomance replaces my armor and not a weapon while the shield replaces a shield. Anyways, advice to,take out my list. You need to kill my thunderfire cannons turn one before they can go to town. Last weekend in two turns they killed three wave aerpants 2 dire avenger squads and half a,jetbike squad. They are insanly good.